Talk:Oasis (band)

Live temporary members

Shouldn't Paul "Strangeboy" Stacey be on this list? I seem to remember he was second keyboard player on the Be Here Now tour, plus he played 2nd guitar at a Noel acoustic set sometime in the early 2000s... Artgarfunkelshairchad (talk) 16:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Oasis are an English band

See The Verve, The Who, Blur (band), Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, and Queen (band). Shall I keep going? Also, "an British rock band"? Utan Vax (talk) 13:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Saying Engish implies nationality which is incorrect. Every single band outside the UK declare nationality in the intro. I could quote 1000s of bands for this. The an should be corrected to a.213.202.139.136 (talk) 14:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Then why do all those bands have "English" then? Can you explain that? Utan Vax (talk) 14:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

POV.213.202.139.136 (talk) 14:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Haha - good one. Utan Vax (talk) 16:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you explain why English is there while all non UK bands have their nationality shown? It is POV. They don't want to be more specific as people know where Manchester is. Some people's POV is that English is a nationality intentionally or not. Using British is NPOV, correct and not misleading.213.202.139.136 (talk) 18:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

In your opinion, ironically. Please show me the guideline. Utan Vax (talk) 20:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

This isn't about guidelines. Guidelines are irrelevant. This is about improving things. Can you give any reason why their nationality isn't mentioned in the intro?213.202.139.136 (talk) 21:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Bands don't have nationalities, people do. The purpose of the lead sentence is to summarise and introduce, not declare nationality. There may be some argument for saying that British could be used, but there is no consensus for this change. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 22:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

We are gonna put "English" because they're from a country called "England". That's how it works... logic. Utan Vax (talk) 22:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:NAMES says introductions should display nationality. Every band from outside the UK adheres to this.

Also more importantly WP:UKNATIONALS says we should use British for a NPOV unless there's something special or notable about Oasis's Englishness; which there isn't. They are the same as every other band. British should be used and to insist otherwise for no particular reason is POV.213.202.139.136 (talk) 23:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

That's perfect for me. See Wikipedia:UKNATIONALS#Do_NOT_enforce_uniformity. You've fallen into your own Wiki-lawyering. Also, that's an essay, so we're definitely not obliged to follow it. They've always been an English band since the beginning of time, ergo, it stays. Thank you. Utan Vax (talk) 23:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Your the one trying to enforce uniformity. English is still misleading. British stays. Thank you.213.202.139.136 (talk) 23:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Both those policies are for biographies of people. Your summary of WP:UKNATIONALS is also incorrect, it says nothing of the sort. However, it if you're reading them you notice the sections that state; Re-labelling nationalities on grounds of consistency – making every UK citizen "British", or converting each of those labelled "British" into their constituent nationalities – is strongly discouraged and do not edit war.--Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 23:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

As I said one band is not uniformly enforcing. I'll be a good editor and I'll offer a compromise which I think is fair. Intro says English, Origin says UK or vice versa??213.202.139.136 (talk) 23:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Please help me understand first. You still haven't explained why you think it should be changed. Or rather, you have, but it changes every time. Which is it?

1 - It is misleading. Who is going to be mislead by thinking the band is English?

2 - It is not their nationality. Bands do not have a legally defined nationality in the same way people do, so splitting hairs about it is pointless.

3 - It is POV. In what way?

4 - We should ignore guidelines. Exactly why in this case?

5 - Because WP:NAMES and WP:UKNATIONALS policy says it should. The policies you are quoting do not apply to bands, and do not say what you claim anyway.

Personally I have no particular problem with your compromise, but you've offered no sensible reason to justify it and overturn previous and current consensus. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 20:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Oasis are not an English rock band. Oasis IS an English rock band. IS. not fucking are. it is ONE band, SINGULAR. I couldn't care less about the British/English debate, but at the very least use basic correct grammar, goddamn 124.185.94.54 (talk) 12:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

That's an incredibly ignorant statement. There are other languages with their own separate grammatical nuances; British entities are not obligated to follow standard American grammar. Your change will not be implemented, by the way, just thought you'd like to know :-) Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 13:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Just to add - please note the use of "are" in this article from The Times[1] and this article from the BBC[2]. --JD554 (talk) 13:37, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

So the BBC and the Times each treated a band name as plural once. That does not make it correct usage. "Oasis is a band" is the normal usage even among Brits. Maproom (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

"Oasis is/has" etc certainly is not normal usage in British English. Bands are referred to in the plural in the UK. American usage is irrelevant when talking about articles about UK acts written in British English . Vauxhall1964 (talk) 00:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Further evidence that using a singular known with a plural verb is non-standard in British English: "parliament is in session" has "about 30,000" Google hits, while "parliament are in session" has "about 1,090". Maproom (talk) 20:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Parliament is singular. Band is singular. Oasis is a specific group of people. It'd be like saying "You and I". Oasis are a band, just as you and I are not. 68.177.128.33 (talk) 02:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

So, "the band are performing", "the group are performing"... do those phrases look correct to a native BE speaker? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 23:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Was that rhetorical? If not, then to me they do look correct. This has been discussed to death with football (soccer) teams. To quote from English plural#Discretionary plurals, "A number of words [...] may refer either to a single entity or the members of the set that compose it [...] In North American English, such words are invariably treated as singular". Fribbulus Xax (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't rhetorical. Thanks for the answer and the link. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 08:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

OASIS CANNOT BE CALLED AN ENGLISH BAND WHEN ONE OF THEM IS WELSH. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!

I also noticed that Oasis is used as if it is plural, when in fact it is singular. A band is a singular entity; it is composed of multiple individuals, but it is a single group. Therefore, Oasis "is" or "was," not "are" or "were." 68.54.107.114 (talk) 16:57, 2 December 2009 (UTC)MinoredinEnglish

No band names are plural if there's more than one person in the band, see Radiohead, Blur, or Led Zeppelin.Iminrainbows (talk) 17:47, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

No no no no no, to the guy who said 'OASIS CANNOT BE CALLED AN ENGLISH BAND WHEN ONE OF THEM IS WELSH. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!'

Its not that simple. Slash (musician) from GnR is actually an English born musician, so is 'The Edge' and one of the other U2 Members. So was phil lynott from Thin lizzy. I could continue. The majority of bands nationality judged on wikipedia is by there origin, in which case Oasis origin is Manchester, England. Goodbye & Goodnight. --Tukogbani (talk) 21:30, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Albums sold

They have sold more than 60 million albums, not 50 as stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.226.122 (talk) 05:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Not nearly.--Play Brian Moore (talk) 18:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

They may have sold 60 million RECORDS, but not albums. There's a huge difference.79.66.60.23 (talk) 03:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I put in a new reference which states they have sold 70 million actually —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.105.32 (talk) 14:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Popularity

Is the title for the last section a bit misleading? Whatever resurgence occured has now ended. They only managed to go #1 in two countries worldwide. Any views?--Play Brian Moore (talk) 18:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Top of the united world chart and sold 500,000 tickets in 2hrs a few days ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.51.149 (talk) 08:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

They sold out Wembley twice in 2000. Should we call that section the continuation of their popularity then?--Play Brian Moore (talk) 22:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I think "resurgence in popularity" is a very difficult term to quantify. It seems Oasis' last two tours and albums have met with much more critical and commercial acclaim than the previous ones. Multiple singles are getting very constant, long-term radio play in the United States, always the most difficult country to crack; anecdotally at least, interest in Oasis in America and England seems at its highest point since the Morning Glory days. Did they not debut @ #5 in the U.S. w/Dig Out Your Soul? I'm fine with the term resurgence being used. Hrhadam (talk) 00:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Err, #5 with only 53,000 copies sold??? Come on, Iron Maiden has done far better than that in the US in recent years. I also have to contest the statement that their singles are getting either heavy or long-term airplay in the US as well. 70.168.32.250 (talk) 07:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm presuming "commercial acclaim" is a round about way of saying album sales. The last 2 albums haven't sold exceptionally well anywhere and like I originally said, their most recent album 'only' managed to go to number one in two countries. I think the title is misleading but people obviously don't agree so I'll leave it here.--Play Brian Moore (talk) 15:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous IP's changing sales figures

Anonymous IP's are persistenly trying to change Oasis' record sales to a higher figure than is supported by the citation. There is also a similar trend among all of Oasis' albums. I don't believe that it's a co-incidence and that these IP's are unrelated. Sales figures for other bands are also being reduced and random pro-Oasis material inserted into completely unrelated articles. DerrikLounds (talk) 21:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

They are "thundering" disgraces if you ask me and they have caused one particular user plenty of time as he has had to go around reverting all their vandalism.--Play Brian Moore (talk) 22:55, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, it's easily dealt with. I'll prot the article. Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 07:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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more albums

oasis have sold around 65 million albums, almost 30 million from whats the story, about 15 from definitely maybe, approaching 10 million for be here now, the masterplan along with the live familliar to millions albums sold a combined 1 million. standing on the shoulders of giants sold another million, heathen chemistry sold 3 million and sont believe the truth sold around 5 million. so far dig out your soul has sold around 2 million. i dont know how much stop the clocks has sold but their overall album sales is at LEAST 60 million —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.234.69 (talk) 17:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

So as not to fall foul of WP:OR and WP:V, we would need a reference from a reliable source. --JD554 (talk) 10:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

official members

Zak wasn't an official member and neither is Chris. They should be signed as live members (Chris) or temporary members (Zak). Oasis have said this a million times, Oasis since 2004 is made up of 6 members: Andy, Liam, Noel, Michael Young, Karla Hart and Gem. Since Alan's departure there are no official drummers. If we said Chris is a member, then Jay Darlington is too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.133.195 (talk) 15:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Agree--INDIE1000 (talk) 04:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Plural verb, singular subject and predicate.

Should read; Oasis is an English rock band. Both "Oasis" and "band" are singular. "Are" is plural.

Cixelsydon (talk) 23:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Per wikipedia's policy of allowing national variations of spelling and grammar for articles with a strong national tie, the band is a collective noun and treated as plural. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with saying "Oasis are..." or "the band are..."

Nev1 is very correct. We've been over this above (which, I see, you've just discovered). Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 00:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

-- This particular article doesn't have a strong national tie though, as the band is an international band, and arguments elsewhere object to the nationalization of the band. Personally I couldn't care less about that particular argument, I am just pointing it out. However it is not grammatically correct to state Oasis ARE, since it is a singular noun (Oasis, being the name of a singular entity, which is the band) and the word ARE is a plural linking verb, the correct verb should be "is" If you were to use the word ARE in a grammatically correct sense, you would have to change the tense of the word Oasis, which would be Oases, and then the article is no longer accurate because the name of the band has changed. Dsly4425 (talk) 08:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The national tie is indicated in the opening sentence, friend. Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 10:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

'Oasis are...' is perfectly grammatically correct in British English, which the article uses per WP:ENGVAR.--Michig (talk) 10:57, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The article later says "Oasis played its first live gig in August 1991", which sounds more natural to this Brit. But I really don't care. Maproom (talk) 17:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oasis/They are a British rock band.--Play Brian Moore (talk) 15:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Name

Don't really feel like starting the name debate all over again, but in the article it says "Liam suggested that the band name be changed to Oasis. This change was inspired by an Inspiral Carpets tour poster which hung in the Gallagher brothers' bedroom. One of the venues the poster listed was the Oasis Leisure Centre in Swindon.". Right. I stumbled on an interview where Noel talks about his trainer collection, and he says he got the name from a shop where he used to buy clothes, it's on here.--81.247.53.51 (talk) 16:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

plagiarism

Why do the editors of this page remove anything which seems slightly negative toward Oasis even if it is fact?

For example a previous edit said "This song would later carry a co-writer's credit for Neil Innes, who sued, now receives royalties on the song and also won damages because the melody of the title track of Neil Innes' album "How Sweet To Be An Idiot" was plagiarised by Oasis."

The current edit reads "This song would later carry a co-writer's credit for Neil Innes, who sued and also won damages."

The current version doesn't explain why he sued and makes little sence as it is.

The previous edit was not vandalisim but seems to have been removed as if it was. The page should be fact not cencored by Oasis fans to bend or obscure the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.32.255.195 (talk) 11:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Easy to respond to that. You advocate a text which states ""How Sweet to Be An Idiot" was plagiarised by Oasis". The outcome of the legal case does not claim that at all. There is no evidence to prove that Noel did anything other then simply write a song that sounded like Innes' tune, without any plagiarism at all. The chord sequence to Innes' song is about two hundred years old at least. Does that mean Innes' plagiarised it? Pop songs are by their market very simple. And it's easy for them to bump into each other, what with there being just eight notes and a simple audience to please. Some people like Innes sue and make a big deal out of it when this happens, whilst most others recognise it as and inevitable consequence of creating easy listening music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.195.247 (talk) 23:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Oasis ARE an English band

If the Proclaimers are a Scottish band the Oasis is an English one. Why be ambiguous when you can be specific! 124.176.75.38 (talk) 22:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Oasis split

Hi there. Can we please stop writing about the bands' split until something official has been brought out. There have been reports and a statement from Noel saying that he has left the band, but so far nothing that confirms that the group have split and are no longer active. Thanks.--Ike1000 (talk) 23:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, there is no reason for the line about Noel leaving in the introduction of the band. It seems to just be put in there because somebody 'got there first'. I don't think any other bands have one member highlighted as leaving in the introduction section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.134.166 (talk) 23:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Oasis 1991-2009

I am going to change this - Noel has left the band, the band has not split up - yet. They have performed without Noel before on several occasions. --PMBO (talk) 23:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

why not just wait until we get an official report that they have indeed quit instead of someone stating it on the page

Exactly; I've put a hidden comment on the article reiterating this. It's all very "heat-of-the-moment" now anyway – it's not like Noel hasn't walked out before... Let's just hold our horses until there's a proper statement. Fribbulus Xax (talk) 23:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I noticed its nomination at WP:ITN/C and found that after saying there that there was nothing in the sources other than some of them getting carried away that here in the actual article the band have been consigned to the past tense. Is there an official source on this split yet out of curiosity? --candle•wicke 03:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I see Wikipedia and the BBC have been plagiarising parts of each other. :) --candle•wicke 04:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Isn't this all a bit premature? Noel has left, but the rest of the band haven't announced that they're packing it in. Noel could be back in a couple of weeks - wouldn't be the first time.--Michig (talk) 10:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Was/were

Which one? It is currently "Oasis was" which struck me as odd considering they "was" British. --candle•wicke 04:08, 29 August 2009 (UTC) It's 'were'. British band, British English. (I'm a news subeditor) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.245.67 (talk) 05:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

it should be neither, they are still a band. Just the main bloke has left --Tukogbani (talk) 11:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It shouldn't say 'Noel announced he was leaving the band' as this implies that he will be leaving at a later date. He has left the band, past tense. --95.96.146.115 (talk) 11:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

According to an AOL article's name (Oasis split 'a sad day' for music) they have all split up but then reading the article in question it only mentions Noel's departure. I am against saying they were a band, as currently we do not know their status. Wait for an official statement before we do anything abrupt!! --Ryan-McCulloch (talk) 15:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

No more?

Oasis broke up today, that's what I heard —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.155.5.49 (talk) 15:04, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Oasis haven't broken up, there has been no announcement of that. Noel Gallagher has left the band. Seeing as he's mainly been responsible for their direction, the future of the band has been cast into doubht, so its unsurprising to see media reports saying they've split. There's been nothing from the rest of the band though and no announcement that they're officially over, so at the moment they still exist.--Ike1000 (talk) 18:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

At the risk of stating the obvious (to those who might not know more about this), the concert organizer for the failed Paris concert announced "the group no longer exists", and Times also announced the group has broken up. Kiteinthewind ^{Leave a message!} 19:00, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

They broke up because the one that left was their main song writer, I just saw it on the news. MatthewWaller (talk) 21:29, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I think that until an official statement is made (discounting anything said in the heat of the moment), the article is sufficient – stating that the events have been reported by news sources as a split. Fribbulus Xax (talk) 22:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I also removed the article from the Musical groups disestablished in 2009 category. --Yerpo (talk) 07:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest that until a statement is released on Oasisinet, the group's official site, announcing that the group have broken up, the article continues to reflect the fact that they are still together (albeit without Noel for now).Julianhall (talk) 11:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Dear registered editors

{{editsemiprotected}} "Studio Albumus"? 90.197.107.184 (talk) 05:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

 Done. Seems to be a clear typo. Tim Song (talk) 06:14, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Ouch. Stupid mistake on my part. Thanks bro! It was quick edit since I noticed someone had put in the other releases by the band the other day, and I figured it'd sort out the confusion given this article's bound to get more 'casual' editors looking at it right now. I think discography sections like that should state if it's only the main studio releases anyway, myself....

(The Elfoid (talk) 02:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC))

video of the Rock en Seine quarrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMf9oYj6uGQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.57.48.167 (talk) 06:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Might be worth mentioning

In here about there new guiness world record break, its a pretty impressive achievement but its up to you guys wether you want it to be included in the article
http://www.oasisinet.com/NewsArticle.aspx?n=775
--Tukogbani (talk) 07:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

 I think its worth mentioning but its not up to me  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Digoutyerarse (talk • contribs) 06:15, 25 October 2009 (UTC) 

Chris is NOT an official member

Chris should not be included in the members list in any way. He is NOT a member of Oasis. The band even confirmed that. He never even appears with the rest of the band in interviews or videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WPReader (talk • contribs) 15:48, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Reason For Noel Leaving

In this article it says that Liam smashed Noels guitar in Paris on the night Noel left the band. In fact it was Noel who smashed an acoustic guitar owned by Liam which was given to him by his wife Nicole —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lylasunshine (talk • contribs) 10:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

-Source? --A Chain of Flowers (talk) 11:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Noel's membership

Its a FACT that Noel Gallagher is not in Oasis , so could you change the members part.Put Noel in the Former Members section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mindier (talk • contribs) 08:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Breakup

Is this really expected to last? They've broken up about a dozen times before and gotten right back together again. What makes this any different? Zazaban (talk) 04:32, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

This isn't any different, but I suppose the Wikipedia entry should stay current. They'll be back together and recording by this time next year, ala 1995, 1997, 2000.--A Chain of Flowers (talk) 08:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

When have they broken up in the past? It's true Noel has left quite a few times, but this is the first time the group itself has broken up. Kohran (talk) 17:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

No, they have 'officially broken up' about three or four times before. None have lasted this long I don't think, mind you. Zazaban (talk) 22:14, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

When have they officially broken up? Oasis had plenty of in-fights and lots of individual members have quit over the years, but to my knowledge this is the first time the band itself has officially been terminated.Kohran (talk) 14:01, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I may have been mistaken then, but I still don't really expect this to last. A year or two, tops. Zazaban (talk) 04:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Now that Liam has said his "new band" with all the same people that were in Oasis, save Noel, is likely going to be called "OASIS" do we go back to "Oasis is an" in lieu of "Oasis were.." at the beginning of this article??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrhadam (talk • contribs) 22:47, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Liam is recording with Chris Sharrock, not Zac Starkey.

Liam is recording a new album with the rest of Oasis (without Noel) but in this article, it says that Zac Starkey is recording with them. Zac left Oasis some time ago and was replaced with Chris Sharrock so surely he is recording instead of Zac. I believe the information that Zac was recording with them came from The Sun so it is probably wrong. Shall I change the article from Zac Starkey to Chris Sharrock? --Jdbullrat (talk) 15:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Funny Introduction

Is that introduction really supposed to suggest that Oasis have sold 50 million albums, physically and a further 20 million either singles or downloads of albums!? Dream on.(Play Brian Moore (talk) 20:31, 15 December 2009 (UTC))

Harry Wells?

Who's Harry Wells? I had never heard of him before, and I think Oasis would never play at a "run down waterhole" in a world of warcraft desert. Please erase that sentence —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.49.35.124 (talk) 03:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Please stop adding all these extra members.

Hi everyone. Please stop with this for the time being.

First off, the band CONFIRMED that Zak Starkey was NOT an official member of Oasis so we can not include him in the list of Oasis band members. Same thing with Chris and Jay, they were never not official members either.

As for the current band. Yes, I know Liam said that both Jay and Chris are currently recording with the current band but Liam said that is NOT 100% yet that the band is going to still be Oasis, therefore, if they do decide to continue as Oasis, then it's best to wait until there's confirmation before we add Chris and Jay as "official" members. —Preceding unsigned comment added by InformationViewer (talk • contribs) 21:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

No, he said it's still Oasis until they think of something else, at this point, the band includes Chris Sharrock and Jay Darlington. And the upcoming album is still the upcoming Oasis album, until it's confirmed that their name will be something else. Oasis is not a defunct band at this point, and everyone in it is still a current member. Iminrainbows (talk) 00:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Are vs. Is

The lead should be "Oasis is an English rock band". Per Per British and American English differences#Formal and notional agreement, "In BrE, collective nouns can take either singular (formal agreement) or plural (notional agreement) verb forms, according to whether the emphasis is, respectively, on the body as a whole or on the individual members; compare 'a committee was appointed...' with 'the committee were unable to agree....'. The band is a singular formal agreement, as the band members formed the group together in unison and agreement; the sentence refers solely to the band itself, not to the members. Ωphois 23:58, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

'Band' is a collective in British English, hence 'are'. This has been done to death already. See this above, and god knows how many other talk pages for articles on British bands. American and British English differences is clear enough, with the example: "BrE: The Clash are a well-known band; AmE: The Clash is a well-known band." This article uses British English, so the former is correct.--Michig (talk) 00:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Recording Timeline

I am creating this section for discussion about the recording timeline I created for the band, from now on any edits made to the timeline without discussing it in this section first will be reverted. Iminrainbows (talk) 02:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I haven't got any problem with that, but we can't add the "Untitled 2010" because we don't know if the band will retain the Oasis name. Also I think that the timeline could be added in List of Oasis band members better.--Danoasis (talk) 05:04, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

That works for me, I'll put the timeline into List of Oasis band members without the untitled.Iminrainbows (talk) 22:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Zak Starkey

Zak Starkey I think was considered full-time member of Oasis during recording sessions of Dig Out Your Soul. I also think there was a published picture with Starkey and the band all five clapping. So it is not right to omit him from the band's past member line-up. Actually I am putting Zak Starkey on the offical member list on the template and making sure to keep the status-quo.

Regards: The Mad Hatter (talk) 16:09, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

He wasn't an official member, and left the band after recording Dig Out Your Soul. Since Alan White's departure, the band were a four-piece.--Danoasis (talk) 02:53, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

No longer Oasis

There has been much controversy over whether Oasis is over or not, they have now confirmed that Liam's new band will not be called Oasis, therefor marking the end of Oasis.

Is this the best way to put it? I mean, the band members are still together and are still active. Anyone else think it might be better to put something along the lines of '1991 - present (under new name)'? Might be a bit in denial because i'm a huge Oasis fan! But what do the rest of us think?--Ike1000 (talk) 22:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)