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February 26

Kilkenny

Propose deleting
Propose merging
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge and deleted per WP:OC#SMALL. These categories are all far too small, and have little or no prospect of expansion any time soon. They are all the work of one editor who seems to have gotten a bit carried away with creating intersection categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:02, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kilkenny managers

Propose renaming Category:Kilkenny managers to Category:Kilkenny hurling managers
Nominator's rationale: Rename to clarify that this a category of mangers of Kilkenny GAA's hurling team, not a general category of people from County Kilkenny who were manager of something, or of County Managers of County Kilkenny.
The category currently contains only two articles, but I think it's worth keeping because if everyone in the List of Kilkenny managers were added to the article, it would have 11 articles, all of which exist already. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:52, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Diseases with no known cure

Category:Diseases with no known cure - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete. This recently-added category is trivial and unencyclopedic. Most diseases have no known cure; there are many thousands of diseases that would fit into the category. Also please see the recent discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of incurable diseases, which resulted in the deletion of List of incurable diseases. Eubulides (talk) 22:44, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Birmingham

Propose renaming Category:Birmingham, England to Category:Birmingham
Nominator's rationale: Per this discussion, Birmingham was moved not to Birmingham, England. The category's name should match the main article's name. Note that there are already several subcats (e.g. Category:Railway stations in Birmingham) that have this form. (Tagging subcats and marking them below. It will take time to mark/merge them.) —Justin (koavf)TCM19:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note Category:People from Birmingham, England (district) is to be changed to Category:People from Birmingham District, per that article's title. —Justin (koavf)TCM19:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Propose renaming Category:Parliamentary constituencies in Birmingham, England (historic) to Category:Parliamentary constituencies in Birmingham (historic)
Propose renaming Category:Wards of Birmingham, England to Category:Wards of Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Music from Birmingham, England to Category:Music from Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Health in Birmingham, England to Category:Health in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Cemeteries in Birmingham, England to Category:Cemeteries in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Visitor attractions in Birmingham, England to Category:Visitor attractions in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Transport in Birmingham, England to Category:Transport in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Theatres in Birmingham, England to Category:Theatres in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Theatre in Birmingham, England to Category:Theatre in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Theatre companies in Birmingham, England to Category:Theatre companies in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Streets in Birmingham, England to Category:Streets in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Squares in Birmingham, England to Category:Squares in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Sport in Birmingham, England to Category:Sport in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Schools in Birmingham, England to Category:Schools in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Religion in Birmingham, England to Category:Religion in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Rail transport in Birmingham, England to Category:Rail transport in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Public houses in Birmingham, England to Category:Public houses in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Politics of Birmingham, England to Category:Politics of Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Places of worship in Birmingham, England to Category:Places of worship in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Performing arts in Birmingham, England to Category:Performing arts in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:People from Birmingham, England to Category:People from Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Parks and open spaces in Birmingham, England to Category:Parks and open spaces in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Nightclubs in Birmingham, England to Category:Nightclubs in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Nature reserves in Birmingham, England to Category:Nature reserves in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Musical groups from Birmingham, England to Category:Musical groups from Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Museums in Birmingham, England to Category:Museums in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Media in Birmingham, England to Category:Media in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Libraries in Birmingham, England to Category:Libraries in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Houses in Birmingham, England to Category:Houses in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Hospitals in Birmingham, England to Category:Hospitals in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:History of Birmingham, England to Category:History of Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Former theatres of Birmingham, England to Category:Former theatres in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Geography of Birmingham, England to Category:Geography of Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Festivals in Birmingham, England to Category:Festivals in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Entertainment in Birmingham, England to Category:Entertainment in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Education in Birmingham, England to Category:Education in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Drama schools in Birmingham, England to Category:Drama schools in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Culture in Birmingham, England to Category:Culture in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Country parks in Birmingham, England to Category:County parks in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Companies based in Birmingham, England to Category:Companies based in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Community organisations based in Birmingham, England to Category:Community organisations in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Christianity in Birmingham, England to Category:Christianity in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Cemeteries in Birmingham, England to Category:Cemeteries in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Buildings and structures in Birmingham, England to Category:Buildings and structures in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Broadcasting in Birmingham, England to Category:Broadcasting in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Art museums and galleries in Birmingham, England to Category:Art museums and galleries in Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Areas of Birmingham, England to Category:Areas of Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:Archbishops of Birmingham, England to Category:Archbisops of Birmingham
Propose renaming Category:People from Birmingham, England (district) to Category:People from Birmingham District

Re:Category:People from Birmingham, England (district) is to be changed to Category:People from Birmingham District


  • Keep all (i.e do not rename). Whatever the merits of renaming the article, someone entering a "Foo in Birmingham" category through HotCat needs some guidance on which Birmingham the category refers to, because otherwise we will get lots of miscategorised articles. Keeping the categories at "Foo in Birmingham" prevents that from happening. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:32, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not rename. 'Birmingham', is too ambiguous, 'Birmingham, England' is clear. Jaraalbe (talk) 12:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Corbin Bleu

Category:Corbin Bleu - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Per WP:OC#EPONYMOUS, articles directly related to the subject are already links in the eponymous article in question, negating the need for this category. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 19:48, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Would agree if there were more than the songs/albums categories. You are then in favor of an eponymous category for every musical artist? To me, it is simply overcategorization for so few articles/categories. Thanks. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 20:55, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note We have usually deleted eponymous musician catgeories such as this with 2 subcats, but then historically we had Otto and Carlossuarez who were vigorously opposed to such entities. It is certainly a means of navigating within category space between a song and an album, lost on deletion. It is also a means of seeing at a glance whether there are any other subcats (eg images, tours, videos, songs written by etc). Marginal either way in my view. Occuli (talk) 21:46, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Political sex scandal figures

Category:Political sex scandal figures - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category attaches a "sex scandal" association to a living or dead person's biography without indicating the nature of the scandal, their role relative to it (see Newt Gingrich for a particularly tangential role) or whether it goes beyond supposition (see Alexander Hamilton). The danger of POV tainting (especially for a living person) is significant. Better in my opinion to remove the category and let scandals be covered by articles in the parent Category:Political sex scandals where assertions can be properly contextualised and referenced. AllyD (talk) 19:37, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. I agree that it's a very different matter to categorize articles on scandals rather than the individuals involved in scandals. "Scandal figure" is also so vague that it could cover a wide degree of involvement, such that anyone relevant to a scandal would be included rather than just the "perpetrator." Incidentally, I think the whole Category:Political sex scandals structure is poorly named (what exactly is "political sex"?). Maybe "Sex scandals involving politicans", or "Sex scandals in politics," or...? Or maybe hyphenate it, to "Political-sex scandals", as it's the intersection of Category:Political scandals and Category:Sex scandals. Or maybe it's just me and no one else sees a problem there. postdlf (talk) 21:14, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. What next? "Political nose bobs" for a politician who has deemed plastic surgery necessary? Postdlf has made some good points. Given those choices, I would prefer "Sex scandals involving politicians." This has some basis in objectivity in contrast to whatever is being used today. It is less "labeling" and judgmental and more detached. It does not appear that Wikipedia is out to "get" the person so identified. The current ones frequently do not meet that standard of objectivity. Student7 (talk) 12:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indigenous awards

Category:Further education colleges in County Wicklow

Further education colleges in Ireland

Propose merging
Nominator's rationale: Merge. This was originally a nomination of only Category:Further education colleges in County Wicklow, but I expanded it when I noticed that a similar sub-category of Category:Further education colleges in the Republic of Ireland had been created for each of the 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland. Fifteen of the 26 categories are empty, so I tagged them with {{db-emptycat}}, and of the remainder only Dublin and Cork stands any chance or rising beyond one or two articles. These categories currently hold only 43 articles on FE colleges in the Republic, and I think that the actual number of articles is much lower because many of the articles in the sub-categories are in both the by-county category and in Category:Further education colleges in the Republic of Ireland. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:48, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reply. Hi there, I'm the creator of these categories, and I'm sorry, but I've never participated in a discussion here, so I'm not sure about procedure (if I'm allowed to vote or not), but this is my input.

I'm currently creating articles of approximately 176 Further education facilities in the Republic of Ireland, from this list List of further education colleges in the Republic of Ireland. At the moment, only 28 out the 204 articles are active, and I've added some stubs for about 7 of them. As there is quite a lot of these institutions, its taking me a bit of time.
I'm not sure how many institutions there will be per County category, but I'll start making a tally after writing this. If there are only 1 or 2 per county, then, now I think about it, it doesn't seem to justify having its own category, but if the amount of institutions is greater than 10, I feel that it would be easier for someone researching about that subject that have it categorized by county.
So anyway, I'll make a list of those, and post them asap. I'd like to hear what people think about this, even if there are enough values in each category; does this topic warrent its own subcategory, and what's been done in similar situations like this?
Sorry, I'm trying to learn about wikipedia, so any helpful advice you can give me would be much appreciated :) Thanks, TTGL, Talk to me! 00:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the table, is there normally a guideline for how many values a category should have if it is to be accepted? (I read the wiki page on categorization, but couldn't find an answer).
County Amount of FE Institutions
Carlow 4
Cavan 1
Clare 5
Cork 24
Donegal 6
Dublin 41
Galway 16
Kerry 6
Kildare 8
Kilkenny 9
Laois 4
Leitrim 4
Limerick 10
Longford 4
Louth 3
Mayo 9
Meath 5
Monaghan 1
Offaly 2
Roscommon 2
Sligo 5
Tipperary 10
Waterford 6
Westmeath 5
Wexford 9
Wicklow 4

Thanks, TTGL, Talk to me! 02:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TTGL, thanks for your reply. And yes, as a new contributor you are quite entitled to express your preferences here, like the rest of us. Welcome to CFD!
That table is interesting: 176 FE colleges is a lot more than I thought. At an average of about 7 per county, that would (if all articles were present) be enough to justify a by-county category structure. However, the usual approach is to categorise articles, rather than to create articles to fill the categories, so even if you do manage to write all the articles, it'd be better to them first and categories later.
However, I was really surprised by the presence of 176 FE colleges, so I took a look at the List of further education colleges in the Republic of Ireland. A large number of the "FE colleges" listed there do not really seem to me to to be FE colleges. They are community schools, comumnity colleges, comprehensives, etc. I looked on http://www.qualifax.ie at detailed listings for 4 of them:
  • Castlepollard Community School offers 5 courses, one of which leads to an Level 5 NFQ, but the others to no qualification
  • Portumna Community School offers 1 courses, which leads to an Level 5 NFQ, but the others to no qualification
  • Mercy College Sligo offers 5 courses, all of which lead to a Level 5 or 6 NFQ
  • Lough Allen College offers 7 courses, only 2 of which lead to a Level 5 NFQ
From that data, I think it's a big stretch to call these "FE colleges". They are schools, which also host a limited range of FE courses, but notr FE colleges.
And look at their websites:
So I think a lot more assessment is needed before categorising these schools as "FE Colleges" on the basis of their inclusion in the http://www.qualifax.ie list. Qualifax seems to be listing every institution that offers even one course outside the school curriculum, which is a valuable resource for anyone seeking a course ... but that doesn't make these places Further Education Colleges, not even in the eyes of the schools themselves. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:37, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there, thanks for you're detailed reply. I took another look at the institutions, and I see your point about them being called "Further Education colleges". Qualifax does seem to list any college that offers a further education course, even if the institution isn't a college. That can include schools that offer night courses, or part-time courses in the summer. I see that simply having taught a FE course does not warrant the institution being called a further education college. An idea would be to have the category renamed as something like [[:Category:Institutions that offer Further education courses in County Cavan]], however, that seems a bit like overcategorization, it might be better to merge it straight into Category:Education in County Cavan.
I might have been too hasty in creating the categories to place the unwritten articles into, and would be quite okay with accepting your suggestion to merge [[Category:Further education colleges in County X to Category:Education in County X and Category:Further education colleges in the Republic of Ireland]]>. However, could there be an exception for of Counties Dublin and Cork. In Dublin and Cork, there appears to be enough institutions that are actually FE colleges to justify having a category. I'd like to hear your opinion on that :) Thanks, TTGL, Talk to me! 13:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if that's the case, what should be done about this list List of further education colleges in the Republic of Ireland, should it be cut down to remove schools that only offer FE courses, but are not FE institutions themselves? Or should it be perhaps renamed, "List of Institutions that offer Further Education courses in the Republic of Ireland". Thanks, TTGL, Talk to me! 15:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


English-medium schools of medicine in China

Propose renaming Category:WHO-Recognized English Medium Medical Programs (China) to Category:English-medium schools of medicine in China
Propose merging Category:MOE-Recognized English Medium Medical Schools in China to Category:English-medium schools of medicine in China
Nominator's rationale: Merge and rename. It seems to me that education conducted through a non-native language is a defining characteristic of an educational institution, but I see no benefit in retaining two near-identical categories which are differentiated solely by who published the list. This nomination merges the two categories, but I have no objection to listifying either or both. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:36, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. In Malawi (Chichewa having been mentioned, a rare occurrence in cfd) English is an official language (as is Chichewa) and is the language of tuition in post-primary education. I would be very surprised if English has any such status in China. Occuli (talk) 17:43, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the discussion. But the category Category:MOE-Recognized English Medium Medical Schools in China is very much important for the international student studying medicine in China. It has a great value due to restriction of Chinese Education Ministry. And this list of instutions is being changed by the chinese education ministry. Sometimes it can be reduced in number sometimes it can be increased in number. It has up and down situation. And about the WHO list, WHO organization just enlist those institution which is approved by the chinese education ministry. By comparing between these two list it can be seen that each list has its different importance though both looks identical. I have already added two links about the list. So I think if you don't merge it will be a better solution.--Kaish (talk) 07:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am a medical student in China. I am an international student. I know the rules and regulation of the china. Thats why I have made this category. I want to suggest that this category should not be merged otherwise foreign student will be confused and their future will be in dark. Because if any student from Bangladesh, India, Pakistan; they have to get admission in this institution to study MBBS or Medicine course. Otherwise they will not get registration in their own country. This laws has been approved by the chinese education ministry and also by the Bangladesh, India, Pakistan government.For reference please visit chinese education ministry website--Kaish (talk) 07:55, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply. Thanks for the very detailed reply, Kaish. You make a good case for keeping a list, but not for a category. Any student basing their career decisions on a Wikipedia category is making a bad decision, because Wikipedia is not a reliable source. An article can be added to or removed from a category in a few seconds using HotCat; the categorisation may be correct, dubious, or complete nonsense. Category entries are unreferenced, and they function as a navigational aid, not as a statement of fact; a list can includes references, but a category cannot, so a list is a better way of guiding students towards an authoritative source. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:19, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conservatives by nationality

Propose deleting:
Nominator's rationale: Delete all. The parent category, Category:Conservatives, was deleted over a year ago at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 December 30#Category:Conservatives, and it makes no sense to keep the by-nationality sub-categories when the parent category has been deleted per WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE. The consensus of a year ago still holds: Category:Conservative organisations was deleted at CfD 2010 February 13.
Note that some of these national categories have sub-categories for membership of a political party. I have not included any of those party categories in this nomination, because membership of a political party is an objectively verifiable fact (unlike political ideologies, which are fuzzy concepts subject to shifting definitions and POV interpretations).
I cannot find any record of Category:Conservatives by nationality having been discussed at CfD before, but have not checked whether any of the sub-categories have been discussed individually. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:09, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You'll find a useful precedent at Category:American conservatives. Bearcat (talk) 08:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Psssssst...Wildrose Alliance? Social Credit? ADQ? Bearcat (talk) 08:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with this categorization scheme is that it categorizes people by subjective assessments of what they believe; categorizing people as activists isn't the same thing, because that's something those people do. Certainly, people should be categorized by actual membership in a specific political party — but categorizing by a basic ideology is a mug's game, for a variety of reasons. I'll use Canadian examples here, since that's the political culture I'm most familiar with, but I'm sure every country is subject to the same issues.
Firstly, a lot of people aren't ideologically "pure" — people can quite easily be conservative on some issues and liberal on others. When same-sex marriage came up in Canada, for example, there were Conservative MPs who supported it (admittedly not many, but not none either) and both Liberal and NDP MPs who voted against it. Similarly, there are a considerable number of MPs in both the Conservative and Liberal parties in Canada who would describe themselves as moderates or centrists, rather than small-c conservatives or small-l liberals. The "liberal" Jean Chrétien ran a more fiscally conservative government than the "conservative" Brian Mulroney; Mulroney was actually very progressive on human rights, pursuing sanctions against apartheid-era South Africa long before any other G7 nation. And Pierre Trudeau, for all his progressive cred, invoked martial law after the FLQ blew up a couple of garbage cans. And going back to same-sex marriage, that actually passed into law under Paul Martin, who had supposedly moved the Liberal Party to the right from where they were under Chrétien.
Secondly, as BrownHairedGirl quite correctly points out, things shift over time. I live in a province where, for a good many years, the provincial "Conservative" party were the centrists and the provincial "Liberal" party were the right-wingers. Now they've shifted to where you'd expect them to be, but even so, in many ways there's still more commonality than difference between them. Then there's Saskatchewan and British Columbia, where the current governing parties are basically Conservative/Liberal coalitions — are the BC Liberals a liberal party or a conservative one? (Answer: yes.)
And thirdly, it can get very subjective. From where I'm sitting, Ed Stelmach is a pretty hardcore conservative, but to many Alberta voters he's a flaming liberal. David Emerson, conservative or liberal? Belinda Stronach, conservative or liberal? Scott Brison, conservative or Liberal? Joe Comuzzi? Conservative or liberal?
Delete all. We don't need 'em; categorizing by membership in a specific political party is sufficient. Bearcat (talk) 08:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dutch Patriots

Propose renaming Category:Dutch Patriots to Category:Members of the Dutch Patriots faction
Nominator's rationale: Rename, to clarify that is for members of the Patriots (faction), rather than for all patriotic Dutch people. A category of "patriots" would be irredeemably POV, but membership of a political party is an objectively determinable fact. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:00, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Liberals by nationality

Propose deleting:
Nominator's rationale: Delete all. The parent category, Category:Liberals, was deleted over a year ago at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 January 6#Category:Liberals, and it makes no sense to keep the by-nationality sub-categories when the parent category has been deleted per WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE. The consensus of a year ago still holds: Category:American_liberal_organizations was deleted atCfD 2010 February 1.
Note that some of these national categories have sub-categories for membership of a political party. I have not included any of those party categories in this nomination, because membership of a political party is an objectively verifiable fact (unlike political ideologies, which are fuzzy concepts subject to shifting definitions and POV interpretations).
This category and its sub-cats were part of an unwieldy group nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 16#Category:People_by_political_orientation, which was withdrawn by the nominator. They do not appear to have been brought back to CFD after the closure of that discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:32, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think you'll find a fascinating reaction to the suggestion that the QLP is a faction of the federal Liberal Party. Bearcat (talk) 08:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with this categorization scheme is that it categorizes people by subjective assessments of what they believe; categorizing people as activists isn't the same thing, because that's something those people do. Certainly, people should be categorized by actual membership in a specific political party — but categorizing by a basic ideology is a mug's game, for a variety of reasons. I'll use Canadian examples here, since that's the political culture I'm most familiar with, but I'm sure every country is subject to the same issues.
Firstly, a lot of people aren't ideologically "pure" — people can quite easily be conservative on some issues and liberal on others. When same-sex marriage came up in Canada, for example, there were Conservative MPs who supported it (admittedly not many, but not none either) and both Liberal and NDP MPs who voted against it. Similarly, there are a considerable number of MPs in both the Conservative and Liberal parties in Canada who would describe themselves as moderates or centrists, rather than small-c conservatives or small-l liberals. The "liberal" Jean Chrétien ran a more fiscally conservative government than the "conservative" Brian Mulroney; Mulroney was actually very progressive on human rights, pursuing sanctions against apartheid-era South Africa long before any other G7 nation. And Pierre Trudeau, for all his progressive cred, invoked martial law after the FLQ blew up a couple of garbage cans. And going back to same-sex marriage, that actually passed into law under Paul Martin, who had supposedly moved the Liberal Party to the right from where they were under Chrétien.
Secondly, as BrownHairedGirl quite correctly points out, things shift over time. I live in a province where, for a good many years, the provincial "Conservative" party were the centrists and the provincial "Liberal" party were the right-wingers. Now they've shifted to where you'd expect them to be, but even so, in many ways there's still more commonality than difference between them. Then there's Saskatchewan and British Columbia, where the current governing parties are basically Conservative/Liberal coalitions — are the BC Liberals a liberal party or a conservative one? (Answer: yes.)
And thirdly, it can get very subjective. From where I'm sitting, Ed Stelmach is a pretty hardcore conservative, but to many Alberta voters he's a flaming liberal. David Emerson, conservative or liberal? Belinda Stronach, conservative or liberal? Scott Brison, conservative or Liberal? Joe Comuzzi? Conservative or liberal?
Delete all. We don't need 'em; categorizing by membership in a specific political party is sufficient. Bearcat (talk) 08:26, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Liberal think tanks

Propose merging:
Nominator's rationale: A series of recent discussions have deleted categories of political organisations with subjective names, per WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE: see Cfd for Conservative organisations, CfD for American progressive organizations and CfD for American liberal organizations. The latter discussion is particularly relevant: even in the context of one country (the United States), no stable definition could be found which would allow an objective decision as to whether an article belongs in the category.
Similar categories for individuals have also been deleted: see CfD for Category:Liberals and CfD for Category:Conservatives
The closer of the CfD for American liberal organizations summed up the problem concisely:

the vast array of opinion which the term is capable of representing makes the it a meaningless label without the provision of cultural and historical context and explanation. To quote Wikipedia:Categorization: "Categorizations appear on pages without annotations or referencing to justify or explain their addition...". This is not a case where the word has a meaning, good for all times and good for all places. The meaning has shifted over the years, can encompass many divergent strands of opinion, and is generally deeply relative and subject to personal bias and outlook.
As in the previous debate, the questions of self-identification and reputable third-party sourcing have been raised. These certainly justify discussion of a 'liberal' outlook and identity in the relevant article, but they do not carry over to the area of categorisation. Categories appear to have a tremendous claim of factuality. If the category system is to work then they need to be concerned with objective and uncontroversial facts. A lack of consensus as to meaning of the word 'liberal' robs it of these attributes and as a result this particular term cannot be held to be a suitable basis for a scheme of categorisation

Having deleted a broader category of "American liberal organisations", it makes no sense to continue to categorise think tanks by such a subjective term, contrary to WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mary I of Scotland

Propose renaming Category:Mary I of Scotland to Category:Mary, Queen of Scots
Nominator's rationale: Match article name and the name used in the overwhelming majority of reliable sources. DrKiernan (talk) 08:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tongue twister

Propose renaming Category:Tongue twister to Category:Tongue-twisters
Nominator's rationale: Pluralize and match hyphen in main article. —Justin (koavf)TCM07:33, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Aircraft manufactured by the Soviet Union and Russia

Propose splitting Category:Aircraft manufactured by the Soviet Union and Russia
Nominator's rationale: Split into Category:Aircraft manufactured by the Soviet Union and/or Category:Aircraft manufactured by Russia. This is an oddly worded category since it implies that this is for air craft manufactured by the Soviet Union and Russia. In fact, it is probably for aircraft manufactured by the Soviet Union or Russia. I see no reason to maintain a category that combines the two. If this nomination succeeds, then we probably need to look at doing the same for other categories like Category:Soviet and Russian military aircraft. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:51, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - mostly the "Russian" part. The Soviet past is more or less clear and uncontroversial, but the present is one can of worms. First, why by country? Does it mean that the category is limited to state-owned factories or state-paid contracts, as opposed to private ventures? Second, and more important. Verifying that Model X, once produced in the USSR, was (or was not) later produced in Russia, may be difficult and troublesome. Public databases are not necessarily helpful - there were legacy hulls built in the USSR but commissioned in Russia, hulls were relabelled beyond recognition, refurbished planes resurfaced as newly built etc. NVO (talk) 06:57, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ; if it isn't manufactured in Russia, then just remove it from the Russian category. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 06:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Television people by century

Propose deleting:
Propose merging:
Nominator's rationale: There is a general consensus against 20th and 21st-century categories of people-by-occupation, and television is another bad topic for this form of categorisation. Per the timeline of the introduction of television in countries broadcasts only began on a significant scale in the 1940s and 1950s, yet these categories set out to divide this 70-year history into two 100-year blocs. That's a really bad way of grouping articles for navigational purposes, not least because nearly all the 21st-century television people are also 20th-century television people. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:41, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

21st-century hip hop musicians

Nominator's rationale: There is a general consensus against 20th and 21st-century categories of people-by-occupation, and this is a particularly daft example (even more so than the rock musicians below). Hip hop music has existed only since the 1970s, and splitting it into 100-year blocks make no sense. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:13, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rock musicians by century

Propose deleting
Propose merging
Nominator's rationale: There is a general consensus against 20th and 21st-century categories of people-by-occupation, and this is a particularly daft example. Rock music has existed only since the 1950s, and splitting it into two 100-year blocks make no sense. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Biopunk video games

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Nominator's rationale: Delete. I Don't think there are any other articles that could be added to this. Prezbo (talk) 02:30, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Progressive think tanks

Propose merging
Nominator's rationale: A series of recent discussions have deleted categories of political organisations with subjective names, per WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE: see Cfd for Conservative organisations, CfF for American liberal organizations, CfD for American progressive organizations. The latter discussion is particularly relevant: even in the American context, where Progressivism in the United States describes various strands and phases of progressivism, no stable definition could be found which would allow an objective decision as to whether an article belongs in the category. The broader article Progressivism shows the term "progressive" has wildly differing means in different countries. It opens by describing it as "a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform", but acknowledges plenty of contrary examples, such as the Progressive Democrats (a right-wing party in Ireland), and the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada.
Having deleted a broader category of "progressive organisations", it makes no sense to continue to categorise think tanks by such a subjective term, contrary to WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:00, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conservative think tanks

Propose deleting
Propose merging
Nominator's rationale: Merge. The parent category, Category:Conservative organisations, was deleted at Cfd Feb 13, and this is a consequential tidyup. It makes no sense to delete "Conservative organisations" as WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE, but keep a subset of organisations categorised in the same way. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century bobsledders

Propose merging Category:20th-century bobsledders to Category:Bobsledders
Nominator's rationale: Merge, per the consensus against 20th-century and 21st-century categories of sportspeople. Organised bobsleigh competitions began in 1884, and it makes no sense to divide a 126-year old sport into 100-year blocks.
There are no other by-century categories of bobsledders, and Category:20th-century bobsledders contains only one article. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:10, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]