Talk:Cupertino, California

Todo

• Should probably add Cupertino high school to the list.

• Dilworth elementary should also be added, it is currently above the table for some reason. I tried to fix it, but its not working. --Angelstarstar (talk) 05:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Non Neutral

in a "pleasant" complex circled by the playfully named Infinite Loop

To many former and current employees, it's not pleasant. Why the word "Pleasant"?

Addition: There are several other instances of non-neutrality in this article. For instance, the comments about the city's logo now "actually looking like a hat", and the part about the transportation system being "excellent".

Addition 2: I noticed that someone had entered a really inflammatory paragraph about the cement plant up there in the hills, violating the OR and NPOV policies. The entry quoted uncited study data that described terrible potential effects, but failed to mention that the company is apparently in compliance with all regulations that prevent such effects. The text was very careful not to actually state that the plant was in violation, but without an extremely careful read, the text seemed to say that the plant was an environmental disaster area. The section was further suspect because its token mention of history was also incorrect, placing the cement plant's construction during WWII as part of the war effort, an assertion that is completely wrong. I edited with factual information - sorry to just jump on it and edit the live page, but people advancing a point of view with unbased info really bug me. 2Track 16:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone know where the name "Cupertino' came from?

--209.77.205.2

When Juan Batista deAnza passed by in 1776, he christiened what is now Stevens Creek "Arroyo

San Guiseppe da Cupertino" in honor of Saint Joseph of Cupertino (italy) --Jiang 23:52, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, the only Catholic church in Cupertino is St. Joseph of Cupertino parish. --Xiaopo ℑ 08:20, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)

Also, a store named the Cupertino General Store was there. (Not clear on the name)

Education NPOV

"The best high school in California" for Monta Vista High School -- someone needs to substantiate this.

This article needs to be cleaned

Here are several examples of where this article needs to be cleaned:
"The controversy at Stevens Creek Elementary" - This entire section should be a seperate article
"The quality of service is poor..." - Non-neutral, Source?
"Cupertino has bike lanes on its boulevards, but they are frequently ignored by careless or speeding drivers, and bicyclists must exercise extreme caution." - Non-neutral, Source?
"The city is served by an excellent road system." - Non-neutral, Source?
"Previous versions looked like a stylized snail, although the current version actually looks like a hat." - Non-neutral, Source?
"Over 60 high-tech companies have offices here" - Useage of 2nd person
"Because Cupertino has developed so quickly since the 1960s" - Useage of present tense
"which have been barely staying alive because of the dominance of large shopping malls in Silicon Valley" - poorly worded

I contributed most of the sections whose neutrality you are contesting. Unfortunately, I'm rather busy right now. When I have time (in August) I will go over to Cupertino Library to do some research. I think most of those points can be traced to various articles in the Cupertino Courier and the San Jose Mercury News. --Coolcaesar 22:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The controversy at Stevens Creek Elementary should be part of the Stevens Creek Elementary School article, which I'll get around to creating sometime. ςפקιДИτς 01:07, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

"Chinkertino" and "Goopertino"

I've lived my whole (but short) life in the South Bay, and I've never heard either term. ςפקιДИτς ☺ ☻ 05:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I concur. Those pejorative terms do not belong in this article. --Coolcaesar 06:28, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Steve Jobs

The article states that Steve Jobs lives in cupertino, but I'm pretty sure he actually lives in Palo Alto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.86.141 (talk • contribs)

• That is correct. I'll change it - Ali-oops^✍ 06:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Stevens Creek Elementary lawsuit

Seems to be projected larger than it deserves to be in this article. Personal POV

Agreed. It's probably better if the whole issue were included in the Cupertino Union School District article or the Stevens Creek Elementary article. .::Arbitrary::. (talk) 03:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Alt definition

"Cupertino" is used among techies to refer to Apple. I'm not sure how to incorporate that here. --Ephilei 08:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

High-tech on Bubb Road and Cali Mill Plaza?

"Most of these hi-tech companies are located on De Anza Boulvevard, Cali Mill Plaza, and Bubb Road." Who wrote this sentence? Obviously someone who hasn't been to Cupertino. While I could buy De Anza, Cali Mill Plaza isn't even a proper street; it's just a small corner of the intersection at De Anza and Stevens Creek Blvd. Bubb Road is mostly a residential street, and the short stretch just south of Stevens Creek Blvd. that has Hantronix, several Apple buildings, and a handful of pharma and network companies hardly qualifies as having many high-tech companies. This sentence needs to be edited by someone more familiar with the high-tech industry in Cupertino. 71.146.46.18 02:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Removed gratuitous plug For Apple Computer in second paragraph

No need to mention twice, and once in the second paragraph, that Cupertino is the location of stock-option backdater Steve Jobs' Apple Computer 69.228.240.57 00:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The Cupertino Effect

Is this part really necessary? It has little to do with the city itself and borders more on trivia and humor rather than encyclopedia material. Jon914 07:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I kinda liked it, since im a trivia fan, but it has nothing to do with Cupertino, despite its name, so it might deserve a place in an article about typos or computer artefacts. I would vote for a stub on its own, so it can at least be found. H.A.N.D. Seismic Boom 13:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Agree, I think Cupertino effect should redirect to, most likely, Spelling suggestion or Spell checker. Circeus (talk) 03:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Questionable Information about Schools

There are several problems with the section about Cupertino Schools:

• The table does not include all of the schools in CUSD.

• I am familiar with Cupertino schools and have never heard the terms "primary path" and "secondary path," nor are they mentioned or explained anywhere in the CUSD web site.

• The term "lottery school" is also incorrect. These schools are among the four alternative programs available in CUSD. Each alternative program is available to students from all over the district, as opposed to being neighborhood schools. When applications exceed available spaces, there is a lottery, but the lottery is not the defining element of the school.

In general, it's not clear why the list of schools and their test scores is appropriate here. Miahavero (talk) 19:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Notable residents (or former residents)

I don't think these should be grouped together, at first glance it gives the impression that they live in the city. I think it should just be current residents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.81.137.234 (talk) 00:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Melissa Grelli? If you have to add such a long explanation after her listing, is she really that notable? Tmpafford (talk) 20:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

"Suburban"?

The article states several times that this town is "suburban", but nowhere does it reveal of which city it is a suburb. I happen to know, but is a foreign reader expected to guess that?--dunnhaupt (talk) 02:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

A city can have suburbs, but it cannot BE a suburb. By definition, a suburb is a lesser division (i.e. sub) and often outlying and / or residential area of a city or major town (i.e. urban = city). No such thing as a suburban city (that would be a "less than urban urban area", or a "part of a city city"). Similarly, a title can have a subtitle, but a subtitle is not a main title... and so on. Cupertino may be a satellite city, i.e. a city which has grown up as an offshoot of another adjacent city. 86.46.32.169 (talk) 17:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes it can. That definition varies more widely than you were apparently aware of. (Your IP address appears to be from Ireland.) Metro areas have suburbs. Cupertino is a suburb of San Jose, and not a division of it. Both are cities with their own local governments. This happens anywhere cities and towns that did not originally border each other grew until they did. It's common in the US, and especially California where there have historically been numerous cycles of rapid growth. Ikluft (talk) 20:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The real issue here is that city has multiple valid and operative definitions in American English. This is a fairly common problem on Wikipedia because a number of British English speakers don't understand that. A city in American English can mean either a settled area with an extremely high population and/or density (e.g., New York City) or it can expansively refer to any legally incorporated settlement of any size. In other words, it's the default legal term for any settlement that has formed its own municipal corporation to govern itself. The latter definition is used in nearly all U.S. states, including California. A California city can rename itself a "town" if it wishes, but that's merely a cosmetic designation and for all legal purposes it is covered by all the laws applicable to cities. California did have "townships" for a while, but they were merely for judicial jurisdiction purposes (they were never established as separate governments) and were abolished in the early 20th century. The term "suburban" in American English refers to a community that borders a city in the first sense of the term, which is why Americans can and often do refer to "suburban cities." In this case, Cupertino is an incorporated city that functions as a suburb of two major cities, San Francisco and San Jose.--Coolcaesar (talk) 00:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Another example of this is that San Francisco is referred to as the "City by the Bay," where "city" is used in the first sense, because of its extremely high population density. This is what Bay Area residents mean when they say "I went shopping in the city last week" or "I'm going to attend the opera in the city." But when two residents of a Bay Area suburb share complaints about their local government, they might say, "Our city's elected officials are incompetent." This is the second usage of the term. --Coolcaesar (talk) 00:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)