Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Park Grill

Park Grill

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This article just appeared as a link in numerous articles that are part of the Millennium Park WP:FT. Before discussing at WP:FTQ, the implications of this article to the integrity of the topic, I want to be sure that there is consensus that this is a notable restaurant. It is conceivable that consensus may be to merge this into another of the topic's articles. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into McCormick Tribune Plaza & Ice Rink or Delete. Lonely Planet: Chicago says "stop here if you need a pick-me-up" which I don't count as significant, and mentions in the Post and USA Today are equally brief. All the other coverage seems to be local, although in regional Chicago papers (Sun-Times or Tribune). A small restaurant that has been open less than 10 years and has only minor controversy or attention belongs on a food or business wiki, not an encyclopedia. By all means add sources, but I don't see any sources yet that satisfy WP:ORG. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 08:06, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I checked out all the references given There are either the briefest mention or are press releases type material. Nothing substantial though one can certainly argue that the insubstantial does at least come from a reliable source! So the restaurant is verifiable, but I see nothing to assert notability. Looks very much like a thinly cloaked advert to me. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 08:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge The sentences about Park Grill in the Millennium Park were already there. Just added the internal links. Lonely Planet: Chicago (as do many of the other sources) also mentions that the outdoor seating for Park Grill becomes the Millennium Park skate rink. So that is not the extent of the mention in Lonely Planet. The Gilfoyle book is a big one that mentions Park Grill several times. Have you guys had a chance to look at it? The lease controversy has been added as well. If the notability of the restaurant in the middle of Millennium Park on which cloud gate sits is in question, then should we have a long look at some of the others under the category of restaurants in Chicago? Being a Chicagoan, the other less notable restaurant entries were what signaled to me that this was an acceptable page. Regardless, this should be, at worst, merged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agroothuis (talk • contribs) 22:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Please read WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 23:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I nominated this because of what happened with the first incarnation of Schwa (restaurant) at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Schwa (restaurant). The only other Chicago restaurants I am really familiar with are Rock N Roll McDonald's and Sixteen (Chicago restaurant), of which I am the main editor. You will note that these articles extensively document notability and rise to the standard of WP:GA as a result. For local restaurants, it is probably fairly common for international notability to be at issue. I would suggest greatly expanding this article to be more like the two that I mentioned. Notability might become more clear if you do.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - It could link to a ton of links to "related venues" (anything on and in Millennium Park and "critical review" articles like Sixteen (Chicago restaurant) does. Was under the assumption that reviews weren't good sources, though. Is that what this needs? I would be willing to add those others over time if necessary. I was honestly thinking the Trump restaurant is a good comp when I started this. Both young restaurants, both attached to major Chicago attractions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agroothuis (talk • contribs) 00:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think the sources included in the article amount to significant coverage in multiple local sources and mentions in other reliable sources geared towards broader audiences. Because the subject of the article is a restaurant in one location alone, I think the general notability guideline is met; WP:COMPANY might be met as well. I see how this is borderline in some ways – to quote the latter guideline, "Evidence of attention by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability." However, I think the combination of substantial coverage in local sources and any sort of attention at all from national sources, even if brief, can satisfy the guideline. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 03:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I want to point out the new references to filming of The Lake House (film) at Park Grill and the references to the property tax disputes were added at this point.Agroothuis (talk) 03:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]