Talk:Osmotic pressure

Which value of R?

This article says R = 8.314 but in all the osmotic pressure calculations I have done at uni we have used 0.08206 L atm mol K. Does anyone object to changing this? --Mdhowe 04:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I think we should stick to SI units. Maybe 8.314472 L·kPa·K-1·mol-1. --kupirijo (talk) 22:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Turgor vs. osmotic pressure

I know this phenomenon as Osmotic pressure. I thought everybody did?

I had learned this phenomenon as "osmotic pressure". A quick google test gives ~100,000 results for "turgor" and ~175,000 for "osmotic pressure". I had imagined "turgor" would get more hits because it is one word, but it seems "osmotic pressure" is the correct term. In lieu of this information, I suggest this page be moved to "osmotic pressure" with appropriate redirects. -- Bubbachuck 04:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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Turgid and flacid plant parts

I am going to add a short description of turgid and flacid plant parts with a link to the article stoma. It seems like a good idea to me. Thoughts? 160.94.120.197 17:11, 19 October 2005 (UTC)lotusduck

What about turgour and erectile body parts. Does this not deseve a mention?--Light current 00:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Osmotic pressure

I understand osmotic pressure as follows:

Solution in semipermeable membrane (permeable only to solvent) exposed to pure solvent. The osmotic pressure is the physical pressure applied to the solution required to prevent movement of pure solvent into the solution.

Another, less accurate, way to define it is the pressure a solution exerts through a semipermeable membrane to draw more solvent into itself.

I have never heard of "turgor pressure" and many erectile tissues in animals rely on blood flow rather than osmosis.

The definition of osmotic pressure given above ("...the physical pressure applied to the solution required to prevent movement of pure solvent into the solution") is a much better definition that the one actually given in the article ("...the hydrostatic pressure produced by a solution in a space divided by a semipermeable membrane due to a differential in the concentrations of solute"). In fact, the hydrostatic pressure is not "produced" by a solution, but rather must be applied by some outside entity, such as the rigid walls of a container resisting volume changes, or the force of gravity acting on a column of solution. I'll make the change unless anyone has any objections.Thewookie55 19:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Turgor-Osmotic Pressure

Tugor and osmotic pressure are different things. Osmotic pressure is the pressure applied from the outside of the cell that pushes the water in. We could say it is the tendancy to take water. (http://edtech.clas.pdx.edu/osmosis_tutorial/osmotic_pressure3.html) and (http://www.wisc-online.com/objects/index_tj.asp?objid=NUR4004) Turgor pressure is from inside of the cell done by the water inside. (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Reference/dictionary/Botanical/T/Turgor.html) Klesk

• Turgor and Osmotic pressure should definitely be separated. Not only they are somewhat different things, but "turgor" also has some different meanings. American Heritage Dictionary:

tur·gor (tûr'gər, -gôr')

n.

1. The state of being turgid.
2. Biology. The normal fullness or tension produced by the fluid content of blood vessels, capillaries, and plant or animal cells.

• (source: [1] ) --Maxxicum 19:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Separation of Topics

I have separated out the osmosis and turgor pressure information as osmotic pressure is the cause of turgor pressure, but they are not the same thing. Please feel free to add to either article. pschemp | talk 03:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Psi not pi...

I think the symbol's wrong here: π = iMRT.

(I don't know how to change it, so I thought I'd just comment —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.240.242.118 (talk) 14:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

The symbol I see in most references is a π. What is your source on the other symbol? --Pekaje 22:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

The correct symbol is π according to Physiology (Berne and Levy, 5th Ed) and Physiology (Costanzo, 3rd Ed). You might be thinking of Φ (Phi) which is the Osmotic co-efficient, and can be added to the equation in the form π = iMRTΦ. However, Osmotic pressure and Osmotic coefficient are not the same thing. Tim Set Match (talk) 15:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the first post, it should be Psi, due to the fact Psi is a symbol, in this example symbolising the Osmotic potential. Pi is a constant which I believe isn't correct. e.g. ψ =iMRT. 12:47, 19 September 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.103.44 (talk)

Please take a look at any textbook for physical chemistry and/or biology that deals with the subject of osmosis. You'll find that Π (like pressure) is the overall agreed symbol for osmotic pressure. The number (not constant) π does not have anything to do with it. --Drahkrub (talk) 20:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Osmotic Pressure & Medicine

Osmotic pressure seems to be important in medicine, there's a lot of talk about it in topics like traumatic brain injury.I'm not knowledgeable enough to write about it yet,but if I do the research would osmotic pressure as a medical topic be better as a separate article? Thanks216.40.21.8 13:05, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

'Want'

A solute doesn't 'want' to do anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.188.96.108 (talk) 14:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Energy?

How does one calculate the amount of energy needed to remove a given volume of solvent from a solution? Notice that the concentration of the solution changes as the volume does, and that pressure*volume[=]energy. Thoughts?RSido (talk) 01:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Derivation

Does somebody have a derivation of the Morse equation from first principles? 124.168.200.74 (talk) 14:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Which PH level is the highest.

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