Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 March 21

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March 21

Template:Jason's Bracketology

Template:Jason's Bracketology (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template is unused and is not useful to Wikipedia. NotAnonymous0 (talk) 23:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ASM Oran

Template:ASM Oran (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template, redundant to simple wiki markup. RL0919 (talk) 23:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:RAF lists

Template:RAF lists (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

One of a number of similar RAF templates which are cluttering the Royal Air Force article. This template is visually similar to the RAF template and with the exception of List of RAF Regiment squadrons link, all the links point or redirect to articles in the Royal Air Force template. (The RAF Regiment might usefully have its own template). Greenshed (talk) 16:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:N&

Template:N& (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

As per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Remember_accessibility_for_the_visually_impaired. Doesn't render a readable character Gnevin (talk) 16:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The page you linked to only discusses how to alter images to comply with the policy. However, the template doesn't use images, it uses Unicode characters. Can't screen readers handle Unicode automatically? How can I fix it? SharkD Talk 21:56, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added an HTML TITLE attribute to the template. It should comply with the policy now. SharkD Talk 22:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't understand what the problem is, it's not used in articlespace, and a simple alt-text solves the accessibility issue. I also don't see why this is named in such a way as to be highly unclear as to what it is. 76.66.194.4 (talk) 04:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'd also prefer it if issues like these were taken up with the screenreader software producers, instead of with Wikipedia. We can't go adding title spans around all the unicode characters we use in Wikipedia. It's ridiculous and honestly, I'm even somewhat offended. Many people are trying to make the website as accessible as possible to as many people as possible (for users who want to copy text for instance), and unfortunately some folks aren't keeping up. The screenreader software producers sitting on their asses making a lot of money off of disabled people by doing a half-ass job, should not EVER be a reason to nominate a template for deletion. The title attribute is an acceptable solution for me to make this more accessible. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 00:36, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Unicode is a sufficiently structured/encapsulateed data type that it can be easily handled by screen readers. The ambiguity regarding what the content is exactly does not exist for Unicode like it does for images. SharkD Talk 09:13, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Y&

Template:Y& (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

As per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Remember_accessibility_for_the_visually_impaired. Doesn't render a readable character Gnevin (talk) 16:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Same as above. SharkD Talk 22:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't understand what the problem is, it's not used in articlespace, and a simple alt-text solves the accessibility issue. I also don't see why this is named in such a way as to be highly unclear as to what it is. 76.66.194.4 (talk) 04:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment FANGS still shows unreadable, it's not an image so alt-text can't be used and shouldn't our visual impaired editors be able to understand talk pages? Gnevin (talk) 20:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment considering the way that talk page discussions go, I find it very hard to see how you would get editors to rewrite their draft suggestions in ways to make them accessible if they themselves do not use screenreader software, unless you want to start a wikiproject for solely going through talk pages and redacting people's comments to make them accessible. 76.66.194.32 (talk) 04:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Ironically, I do not see any ALT text being used on the images on the FANGS site. SharkD Talk 09:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Plovdiv

Template:Plovdiv (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Empty navbox since November 2008. No content to fill it. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did you think that maybe it would be best to ask the creator why it hasn't been filled first? It is an ongoing process to cover the Bulgarian municipalities in detail....

Speedy Keep The template contains content and is useful. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:23, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Altwelcome

Template:Altwelcome (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused user welcome template, user retired the day they finished this template. Furthermore, there are more than enough alternatives in Category:Welcome templates, this template adds nothing special to them. The Evil IP address (talk) 09:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment since welcome templates are subst templates, how would you know it was unused? 76.66.194.4 (talk) 04:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unused and never substed. I had the AWB database scanner fired up, so I searched for ==<font color="red">Welcome!</font>== — the only result was this template. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 12:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Never used. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Livingships

Template:Livingships (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A very old template being used on two articles. Per a discussion at WpShips it is felt that this template is out of line with its intended purpose and also introduces original research into the article. Brad (talk) 06:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't see that this template is serving a useful purpose, save typing a few words in an article. Mjroots (talk) 10:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for misuse of template space. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 22:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Oldmfd

Template:Oldmfd (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

old R12056 (talk) 05:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Still used. Is there an improved template you are suggesting we replace this one with? If not, then the nomination really isn't justified. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep standard name for XfD templates. 76.66.194.4 (talk) 04:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep But it is still important. --Extra999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. "old"? What kind of justification is that?? -- œ ^™ 12:10, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - I don't get the basis for this request, and, as stated above, that kind of justification is "old"? Connormah (talk | contribs) 02:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bambi

Template:Bambi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, would also only navigate two articles anyway. The Evil IP address (talk) 02:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete Textbook WP:NENAN. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 22:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]