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Former good articleGreen Day was one of the good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Whatsername unreleased music video

http://www.musicsrc.com/video/Green_Day_-_Whatsername_%28Official_Unrele.php?id=7F_9ND5SEDQ&artist=Green+Day&song=Whatsername Should we include this in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.200.230.74 (talk) 23:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The reason that it was unreleased is because it had absolutely no relation to the lyrics at all. The lyrics speak of thinking about a girl, you can't remember her name. This video is nothing of it. Kerrang86 (talk) 21:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Band Photo and Current Members

I think the band photo should be changed to one only featuring actual members of Green Day, not one with a backup preformer in the immediate foreground.

Additionally, when the current members are listed, Billie, Mike and Tre should be the only ones listed. They are the only actual, recognized members of Green Day. The three musicians listed under with would be better placed under a separate header that better describes their actual position, such as current backup musicians, or touring backup. They are not members of the band, they are hired musicians. RyanDPD (talk) 05:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Didn't Green Day finally add a fourth member? JoelleLynn (talk) 07:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, however Jason White does perform backup with them, he is not an official member, and isn't limited to just Green Day. AlexanderAwful (talk) 21:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a complete list of the additional (mostly on tour only) members:

Jason White (Guitar/Background Vocals) Jason Freese (Keyboards/Horns/Background Vocals) Ron Blake (Horns/Percussion/Background Vocals) Mike Pelino (Guitar/Background Vocals) Rick Davis (Guitar/Drums/Background Vocals) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.64.104 (talk) 04:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They are all visible in the Bullet In A Bible DVD.

Also:

Jason White made a cameo appearance in the music video for When I Come Around. He was also playing as a regular band member in the music videos for Wake Me Up When September Ends and 21 Guns.

Kerrang86 (talk) 21:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. This is listed fine on the sidebar, but further down the article the touring musicians are credited as "with". I really think it would be more appropriate to list them as touring musicians, because that's what they are.RyanDPD (talk) 06:35, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I feel I should mention that they have added another backup guitarist for the 21st Century Breakdown tour: Jeff Matika. Rock drum (talk) 18:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I feel I should add that Green day have added another backup guitarist for the 21st Century Breakdown tour: Jeff Mattika. Rock drum (talk) 18:06, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Green Day has ripped multiple songs

Multiple Green Day songs have been claimed to be rips off other songs (Particularly their most famous 3)

Wonderwall - Boulevard of Broken Dreams - By Oasis http://www.cinemablend.com/music/Did-Green-Day-Rip-Off-Oasis-2099.html

American Idiot- Doublewhiskeycokenoice - By Dillinger four http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5iCc9RS_zU or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=advxtHtTkoQ

When September Ends - Its only time - Mark Curry (pointed out by El Hefe in the fatwreck podcast) http://www.amazon.com/Its-Only-Time-Mark-Curry/dp/B000008ERE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgTMZBv3Q_s - http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/window/media/page/0,,71695-2177828,00.html

-TheNinjaPirate (talk) 02:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WHY WAS MY COMMENT REMOVED GREEN DAY IS THE BEST BAND EVER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.24.215 (talk) 01:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At least with the first article, even the writers didn't believe Oasis. "Noel Gallagher hates Green Day. He hates the rockers so much, in fact, that he is inventing reasons to deride them." All we can mention is that HE believes that Green Day has copied Oasis music.
Using the other links would be original research and the claimed offense has to be covered by a reliable source. Likely, if the non-Green Day artists are not taking action (except for talking and talk is cheap), there's nothing there, which is why no one (aside from Rolling Stone and another article covering the Rolling Stone article) is covering it. ~QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 09:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I find it ironic that Oasis has recently broken up and Green Day is still going strong. Karma. -Kerrang86

Its noted in the wiki page for American idiot "The whole song is similar to the intro riff from Dillinger Four's "Doublewhiskeycokenoice", written in 1997."" and also mentioned here http://www.punknews.org/review/3383
Verbally (on the fat wreck chords podcast) El Hefe from Nofx claims when September ends it was stolen from his former band mate Mark Curry. He's a hardly known artist so I doubt he'd ever have a case. I don't know how citing audio sources works -TheNinjaPirate (talk) 02:42, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Boulevard of Broken Dreams is the exact same chord progression as Wonderwall. Its not proof they ripped it off, but its damn compelling evidence that should be presented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.155.26.30 (talk) 03:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Doublewhiskeycokenoice is actually played in a slightly different rhythm, and is also played a half note higher. While the beginnings are similar, they aren't even using the same chords. RyanDPD (talk) 05:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They've played together so its not far fetched to say it slightly tweaked version —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.126.113.14 (talk) 23:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


You forgot to mention how 21 Guns takes from ELO's Telephone Line. A direct rip from that tune. --EchoRevamped (talk) 20:23, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

if you have ever noticed most green day songs follow the same riff the same riff used by nirvana in smells like teen spirit —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirvana42642 (talkcontribs) 03:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Breakout Success"

It is stated that a security guard mistook Mike Dirnt for a fan and "punched a few of his teeth out" when in actuality said security guard tackled Dirnt. This action slammed Dirnt's head into an amplifier which knocked out two of his teeth. -Daniel Zimmerman, Cleveland Ohio —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marginwalker27 (talkcontribs) 16:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel is correct. This is described clearly in every account I have read of the incident. Someone please change this.RyanDPD (talk) 06:37, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Add Template Singles

Would it be good to add the template single existing principal l article Green Day? That would be good to unlock the page and add a moment, because this template contains the Green Day's singles, which the other staff are not (they were, but now with the increase of which was single and to have this band, I wanted to sort better in another template for better viewing). It's singles template: Template:Green Day Singles. konahk4 (talk) 22:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Awards section

This section should not be in the article without content. A simple link is not enough. There should be one or two paragraphs telling of the awards Green Day has won. Timmeh!(review me) 23:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Most on Lookout Records?

Wasn't 39/Smooth and Kerplunk the two best selling albums on Lookout Records ever?--Kingforaday1620 (talk) 22:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Hughes?

Who is he exactly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.177.242 (talk) 03:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to second the question asked above...who is Sean Hughes and why is he mentioned on the band's list of former members? -SAULGNRFAN

Sean Hughes is an old friend of Green Day and was a member of the band when they were first starting out. The book Nobody Likes You documents this and has quotes directly from him. He also appears in a TV special about Green Day (I believe it's Driven from Vh1. -RyanDPD —Preceding unsigned comment added by RyanDPD (talkcontribs) 05:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Know Your Enemy

Dear Author,

Just want to let you know that the audio track you've included is playing the wrong song. That is Know Your Enemy by Rage Against the Machine that you have uploaded. Another great song, but not Green Day's version.

Evan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.52.200.249 (talk) 06:07, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Timmeh!(review me) 14:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

idiot

a childish idiot has deleted the green day information and written:

"green day are awful"

talk about being a baby

i am not regestered so can someone report it and restore the information thanks!

ry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.168.32 (talk) 21:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Try refreshing the page. A bot reverted the edit a while ago. Timmeh!(review me) 21:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

no, it hasn't been fixed. I just signed up to try and edit it back to the way it was but it wont let me edit it either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Finksgirl (talkcontribs) 21:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm pretty sure it has been fixed. ClueBot reverted the vandalism at 20:34 (UTC). Timmeh!(review me) 21:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I find it very sad how some people on the internet think that only their opinions about a band matter. Kerrang86 (talk) 21:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC) WOW what a moron. poor kid has no taste in musicDannymazz (talk) 04:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To be more balanced, "Criticism and controversy" section should also includes positive comments on the band

I think this section should be renamed "Critical reception" and includes positive comments so as to make it more neutral. According to this section, it sounds like the band only ever received negative criticisms, which is misleading. Laurent (talk) 16:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and merged the section into the article itself. Hope I got it right - the paragraph about the criticisms of American Idiots went into "American Idiot and renewed popularity: 2003–2006"; and I've put the punk genre related criticisms in "Musical style and influences" (not sure about that one, but it seemed to be the best place for these criticisms). I didn't merge the comment by Noel Gallagher as it felt more of a rant than an actual criticism. Laurent (talk) 23:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There should be sources cited for the information you added to the musical style and influences section. This is a good article; I think we'd all like to keep it that way, by making sure to cite reliable sources for all possible information. Timmeh!(review me) 23:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I haven't added anything, I've just moved paragraphs around from one section to another, so as to remove the "Criticisms" section. I agree that these paragraph, especially the one regarding the punk genre, should be sourced though. I've added some "who" and "weasel" tags where sources are needed. Laurent (talk) 23:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If I find the time, I'll look for sources for that content. For now, though, adding the tags was a good call. Hopefully, someone will find and add sources in the near future, as I likely won't have time to do so. Timmeh!(review me) 00:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do you not understand that that's what the "Criticism and Controversy" section is FOR? You don't add positive things about a band in a section like that. That would make it unneutral. --Zzguitar14 (talk) 13:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you're going to be acting your age, you shouldn't be editing this article.--EchoRevamped (talk) 21:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The name

Where does the name Green Day come from? Should there be any mentioning about that?

Summer Song (talk) 05:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's mentioned in one of the Green Day articles (i.e. Billie Joe Armstrong, this article, etc.) It said that "the band allegedly changed their name [from Sweet Children] due to their fondness of Marijuana", as having a green day would be to be stoned for like 24 hours (or something). --Zzguitar14 (talk) 14:00, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. I'd always wondered about that. There's a scene in 'Soylent Green' that has a sign "Thursday is Soylent Green Day" or maybe "Today is Soylent Green Day." In one shot, everything is cut off but "Green Day", so I started to wonder if they band got the name from that. tharsaile (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is either Billies or Mikes article that states they heard it on Sesame Street, and then it became sort of an in-joke for them. AlexanderAwful (talk) 21:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I remember reading a long time ago that when they were playing in high school a music teacher said to them that 'it would be a "Green Day" in hell before they were a successful rock band' (JMC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.137.30.42 (talk) 21:51, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

American Idiot the musical

Berkeley Repertory in Berkeley, California (where the band originated) is currently putting on the premier production of the staged musical version of "American Idiot." It is directed by Michael Mayer, who directed the Tony-award winning production of "Spring Awakening" and was developed by Michael Mayer in collaboration with Green Day.

More information can be found here (http://www.berkeleyrep.org/tickets/sub_plays.asp#ai).

I feel this should be at least noted on the Green Day page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.41.18.183 (talk) 23:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I feel it shouldn't be noted at all. --EchoRevamped (talk) 21:18, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shenanigans?

Why is Shenanigans not listed in the Discography? Just wondering if there was a reason for it not being included. Gehrc (talk) 23:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That specific section only shows albums. Shenanigans is a compilation album that doesn't qualify as an album. However, it is listed in their discography article. AlexanderAwful (talk) 21:31, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alienated Fans?

The comment in the opening paragraph, "some of whom felt alienated when the band signed to a major label", is generic and not particular to Green Day's fans. The cite given (note 2, http://www.greendayauthority.com/TheBand/articles/guitarlegends/page8.jpg) - "Though many in the punk scene viewed major labels - and those who signed with them - with suspicion . . . " does not support the contention that feelings of "alienation" were experienced by Green Day's fans in particular. The comment should be deleted from the article.

Come On this band is not alternative

Come On, this band is not alternative, You wouldn't call The Ramones, Cheap Trick and The Who.

"alternative", thats way excessive, and i'm removing the said reference.

you might as well call everything alternative at this rate.--DavisHawkens (talk) 14:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

um, well green day is alternative, and you dont have a lagidiment argument going. those bands are all totally different genres. --JBrocksthehouse (talk) 17:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Put "members" section into an article

Many bands have this, such as Linkin Park, and there's a whole lot of things to list with this band when talking about their members. Now, I really don't care if anyone decides to make an article for it or not. I was just making a suggestion, seeing how lengthy that section is. --Zzguitar14 (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Macys Day Parade,Blood, Sex And Booze, Maria and Poprocks and Coke

Can someone please tell me why Macys Day Parade,Blood, Sex And Booze, Maria and Poprocks and Coke don't have their own page? They are singles(with physicall releases) they should have their own page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.150.159 (talk) 16:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Maybe because there isn't enough information on the songs? If you have any information about them, feel free to add a page about each. --The Banshee (talk) 05:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The articles for Macy's Day Parade and Poprocks and Coke were deleted for failing WP:MUSIC. Blood Sex and Booze was not released as a single, so would not pass WP:MUSIC either. Nouse4aname (talk) 17:17, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But they were released as promo singles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.150.159 (talk) 02:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kerplunk and 39/Smooth have not gone double platinum

In the "Middle era and fall from popularity" (which needs to be renamed, Green Day was never unpopular, just less so) section, it says, "While all of Green Day's past albums had reached a status of at least double platinum, Warning was only certified gold." This should be edited to read "While all of Green Day's past albums on a major label had reached a status of at least double platinum..." Somewhat minor but worthy of a change nonetheless.RyanDPD (talk) 06:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Genre of Green Day

Though I may agree with the term "Alternative," as wide and vague as it may be, Green Day is not Pop-Punk/Pop-Rock whatsoever (whichever term was officially used, they're one in the same almost). All Time Low and Fall Out Boy are the Pop-Punk/Pop-Rock scene. Green Day is strictly Punk Rock and (due to the association of punk rock to alternative styles...) Alternative. Slugger20120 (talk) 14:59, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Green Day/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Starting GA reassessment as part of the GA Sweeps process.

Checking against GA criteria

To uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of January 14, 2010, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GAR.

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    Lead: Its early releases for independent record label Lookout! Records earned them a grassroots fanbase, ... Its -them, confusion of pronouns here.
    Breakthrough success: 1994–1996: four sentences in the last paragraph start with Imsoniac, a little variation would be good.
    Insomniac was a much darker and heavier response by the band, compared to the poppier, more melodic Dookie. response to what?
    American Idiot and renewed success: 2003–2006: The band chose not to try to re-create the stolen album, but instead started over. By the end of 2003[when?], Green Day collaborated with Iggy Pop on two tracks for his album Skull Ring. The tag should perhaps be addressed.
    and the United Kingdom, where they drew a crowd of 130,000 people over a span of two days. do we know where? or is this the venue in the enxt entence. This could do with tidying up.
    Foxboro Hot Tubs and 21st Century Breakdown: 2007–present: By October 2007, Armstrong had 45 songs written, but the band showed no further signs of progress until October 2008, when a video of the group recording with producer Butch Vig in the studio was posted on YouTube. Two videos showing the band in the studio were posted on YouTube.[39][40] In the tour section of the band's official website, the message "World Tour coming soon!" is shown.[41][42] The writing and recording process, spanning three years and four recording studios, was finally finished in April 2009.[43]. I think this section needs tidying up to remove repetition and clarify.
    Overall, the article isin fairly good shape, but a thorough copy-edit would be good to tie togerher material that has been added by a range of editors. I have pointed out some examples above but scrutiny of the entire text and copy-editing would make it work better.
    1. Lead: The present structure of two short paras and one long is a little lopsidede. Could it be arranged more evenly?
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    Reference #3 doesn't link to the right article, it might be somewhere there on the site.
    Reference #8 is a dead link.
    Reference #21 is a dead link.
    Reference #11 is a deadlink
    Inconsistency in citation styles needs to be rectified, some are just bare urls, some are properly formatted inline citations.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

OK, the prose could do with a thorough copyedit and there are some dead links that need looking at, also the citation style is inconsistent at present. When that is sorted out I will take another look, until then on hold for seven days, major contributors and projects will be informed. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:45, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've been meaning to clear this article up. I might be able to get to it later this week, but that's tentative. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst there have been a few minor amendments the article has not substantially improved so as it has been 9days, I am delisting. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Number of albums sold

A long time ago (probably at least a good two years, could be wrong), the article used to state that Green Day had sold over 65 million albums worldwide. When this link went dead, the reference stating that they've sold over 22 million albums in the United States was put into place. Now that this link is dead, shouldn't we just remove any number of albums sold from the article until we can verify it? 76.212.4.103 (talk) 08:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources should not be removed because the link goes dead. The important thing is that the source is reliable and that it actually stated what is said in the article. -Duribald (talk) 08:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
However, the source for 65 million albums in the united states was reliable and when the link went dead it was removed. 76.212.4.103 (talk) 11:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As I recall it was removed mainly because some people thought the number seemed exagerated, and additional sources were requested. The link simply going dead is not reason for removal. -Duribald (talk) 13:24, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I used ARIA for their discography page. It's reliable enough, might need some reinforcement at some point though, since it's not a worldwide association. kiac. (talk-contrib) 01:07, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Someone Changed the Picture of The Band

It's disgusting to be looking up something, and then a horrible picture of THAT comes up. Why on earth would someone be so vulgar? Please change the picture of a woman's vagina back to the original photo, and thank you very much to whoever does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.148.82 (talkcontribs) 17 February 2010

Emo

Green Day isnt emo! they should change it back to the proper genres!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.72.227 (talk) 10:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Sell out"

"though categorised as a "sell out" band among the punk rock community." Both what constitutes a "sell out" and what the true "punk rock community" is are incredibly controversial, and possibly subjective. I do know that they have a reputation like what's described, but a)this needs to be cited, and b) it needs to be put in a much less absolutist, generalized way that reflects who has called them that and what exactly they said. There's a real circular logic problem to say that Green Day and their fans are not part of the punk rock community because the punk rock community doesn't consider them part of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D prime (talkcontribs) 15:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it to "though they have been described as a "sell out" band by notable members of the punk rock community." I think if you're called that by a member of the Sex Pistols, it's notable, but this makes it sound less objective and universal. D prime (talk) 16:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In accordance with previous punk argument and they being sellouts, i believe that we should elimnate the punk rock genre from their infobox. 21:57, March 28 2010