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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Swisstestpilot (talk | contribs) at 13:18, 10 April 2010 (→Much missing Informations, Much Wrong Informations). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

I have some additional information about the SAF:

1. there were only 62 Mirage III/S/RS 2. the F-5E/F Fighters are still in operateion, but there was a significant reduction from over 100 to about 58 and some of them are leased to the Austrian Air Force

The Air Defence branch of the Swiss Armed Forces are also a part of the Swiss Air Force, operation three air defence systems:

- FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS light Air Defense - BAe Rapier Mk. 2 SAM - 35 mm Oerlikon Skyguard air defence artillery system

Thank you for your attention, don't hasitade to ask for more. Greetings

Merging

Couldn't this be moved to Military of Switzerland?--The4sword 23:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

| This is fake then, correct? vlad§inger tlk 15:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Consistent

the article isn't consistent in tone. the summary is not all that conlusive. it leaves a gap of information in between the first and second paragraphs. improving the summary may do the trick. Freshymail-user_talk:fngosa--the-knowledge-defender 23:03, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Swiss Air Force/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dana boomer (talk) 17:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I will be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have the full review up shortly. Dana boomer (talk) 17:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    • In the lead it says that there are eight bases, then only lists seven, as far as I can see.
    • The second paragraph of the lead contains information that is not included in the article, which violates the main principle of a summary lead. Also, why is Payerne the most important air base?
    • The Air Defence section says "The high level air defence of the Swiss national airspace is the responsibility of the FLORAKO". I'm not really seeing what this is trying to say.
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    • I'm concerned that the image of the Eurocopter Dauphin doesn't have correct licensing. The tag is discussing free software, rather than an image.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Overall a nice article, but a few things with prose, MOS and images to be dealt with. These issues should be easy to fix, and the article should be able to be of GA status within a short time. Please let me know if you have any questions! Dana boomer (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Due to the lack of work on the article (no edits have been made since I conducted the above review) I am failing this article's GA nomination. Once the work detailed above has been completed, the article may be renominated for GAN, and should pass with flying colors! Dana boomer (talk) 21:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source incomplete!

The source 7 is incomplete, stating only "Lombardi, p.40–41." Is this a book? If it is, please provide the full information (at least author and title, possibly more). Furthermore, I think the corresponding paragraph should be verified again. Greeting from Basel, Switzerland.81.62.210.240 (talk) 00:18, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Much missing Informations, Much Wrong Informations

Many Air Bases are missing (Lodrino, Buochs,..), aircraft typs are missing (PC-12) Wrong numbers (F-5E, AlouetteIII). Outpasst Typs and Bases Are missing. Wrong informations: Bern is a civil Airport, F-5E are still in use as Fighter, PC-9 is also used for ECM ...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swisstestpilot (talk • contribs) 09:34, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information. Can you point us to reliable published sources that we can use as a basis for correcting these error?  Sandstein  09:48, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/en/home/dokumentation/assets/aircraft.html

http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/en/home/verbaende/einsatz_lw.html


Well the Air Force Page is not 100% up to date talking from 13 Alouette in April, there are at end of this Month only 8 left. By the F-5E thy dont count the F-5E/F at Meiringen and the one who is a temporary exponat in the Trafficmusseum Lucerne because of the 100 year festival —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swisstestpilot (talk • contribs) 10:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Because in this Articel so many Informations are missing or just wrong i had made some update , unfortunatly my english is not good enough for the english wikipedia. i hope some one can go trouh my writtings and put the articel about the swiss air force in the right way . I have the re written page below. the main sources are the official homepage of the Swiss air force (some pages there exist not in English ,only in german)


|aircraft_attack= |aircraft_bomber= aircraft_electronic= F-5 Tiger Pilatus PC-9 |aircraft_interceptor= F/A-18 Hornet |aircraft_recon= ADS-95 Ranger The Swiss Air Force (Template:Lang-de; Template:Lang-fr; Template:Lang-it) is the air component of the Swiss Armed Forces. It was established on July 31, 1914 but did not become a separate service until 1936, and an independent service separate from the Army until 1 January 1996. The Swiss Air Force bases are: Payerne(LSMP),Sion (LSMS) in western Switzerland and Emmen (LSME), Meiringen (LSMM) , Alpnach(LSMA),Buochs (LSMU), Dübendorf (LSMD), Lodrino (LSML) and Locarno(LSMO) Jetfighters operate from Payerne, Meiringen, Sion,and Emmen. Only light aircraft and helicopters fly out of Dübedorf, Alpnach and Locarno. Lodrino is only used for the PC-6 Turboporter in support of the FSCH Aufkl Kp17 (Parajumper recon Platoon 17). The Buochs Jetfighter AFB is inactive, a so called "Sleeping Base," but can be reactivated quickly. During peacetime, Dübendorf is also the operational HQ of the Air Force. The Airport Bern -Belp (LSMB)is a civil airport but the LTDB (Goverment flightbranch of the Air Force) also has a base there. Payerne, Meiringen, Sion, Emmen and Buochs are equipped with aircraft arresting cables so the F-5s and F/A-18s can use their tailhooks if needed (usually only if the aircraft has problems). ts primary front-line air-defence fleet consists of 33 F-18 Hornets and 54 remaining F-5 Tiger IIs of the 110 originally purchased between 1978 and 1985.[1] In October 2008 the Swiss Hornet fleet reached the 50,000 flight hour milestone.[2] Despite their age, all the Swiss Hornet remain highly capable due to the Upgrade 21 (UG21) programme conducted between 2004 and 2009 at RUAG, while another Mid-Life Update (MLU) will begin shortly.[3] By 2010 the Swiss Air Force intends to begin the Partial Tiger Replacement programme of the F-5 in the remaining squadrons that use it and hopes to acquire 22 new fighters, choosing between JAS 39 Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale.[4][5] However, the procurement of new fighter aircraft would almost certainly face political opposition from Switzerland's left-wing, anti-army and green groups.[4] Patrouille Suisse, the Swiss national aerobatic team, which also operates the F-5, will need to change to a new aircraft, either the F/A-18 Hornet or the new fighter, but its future remains unclear.[6] At the end of 2010 the Swiss Air Force will also be retiring its fleet 8 (once 60) Aérospatiale Alouette III, which will be replaced in due course by 2 VIP configuration Eurocopter EC-135s and 18 EC-635s.[7] The first EC-635 was delivered on 12 March 2008.[8] The Swiss Air Force is monotoring the Airspace 24h 356 days a year. The Helcopter and Transportairplanes operate mainly douring day time but also in the night. The Fighters usualy operate only from monday- Friday douring officetimes. Usualy douring such a weekday the Airforce held 8 Traningsmissions. Also in 1 Month they mad about 30 Visual Identification of foreigen Militar and Gouverment Aircrafts.Douring events like WEF, Euro08 and so one the Fighters are on QRA and CAP (Combat Air Patroll) 24h at every day. The swiss Air Force would like to have a few fighters 24H every day on QRA but with the limitete money who is aviabel is it impossibel (not only because it ned a few Aircrafts more the main reason is the costs of holding 2 AFB and the personnal 24h ready). The difficulty of defending Swiss airspace is illustrated by the mountainous character and the small size of the country; the maximum extension of Switzerland is 348 km, a distance that can be flown in little over 20 minutes by commercial aircraft. The noise abatement issues have always been a traditional problem for the SAF because of the Swiss tourist industry.[9] Mainly due to these reasons, the SAF regularly participates in air-defence training missions with their Belgian, French and German counterparts, as well as NATO exercises. Very intensiv is the training with the French Air Force, the swiss F/A-18 often held life Air-to Air refuiling in France from KC-135 also french Mirage 2000 take part in exercises in switzerland and French C-160 refuil swiss F/A-18 in swiss air Space, but the swiss Air Force also suport the German Heeresfligher when they practis Alpin Helicopterflighttraning in switzerland.[9]

    • 6th Fighter Aviation Squadron - operating F-5E
      • 17th Fighter Aviation Squadron - operating F/A-18C/D
      • 18th Fighter Aviation Squadron - operating F/A-18C/D
  • 12th Air Target Squadron -operating Pilatus PC-9/F-5E
  • 13th Air Base - headquartered at Meiringen
  • 14th Air Base - headquartered at Sion
  • 14th Fighter Aviation Wing - headquartered at Sion{{#tag:ref|During peacetime the 14th Fighter Aviation Wing is based at Payerne Air Base.[1]|gr
      • 16th Fighter Aviation Squadron - operating F-5F
    • 19th Fighter Aviation Squadron - operating F-5E
  • 4th Transport Aviation Wing - headquartered at Bern (VIP flights)

| F/A-18D || 7 |- | rowspan=2|Northrop F-5 Tiger II || rowspan=2| United States || rowspan=2|Fighter || F-5E || 44 || Used for air policing aerobatics, target-towing and electronic warfare training - scheduled to be completely replaced by 2015.[10] |- | F-5F || 12 | Pilatus PC-7 Turbo Trainer ||  Switzerland || Trainer || PC-7 || 33 || 24 aircraft will receive a new cockpit (glass cockpit, updated avionics), the remaining 9 PC-7 will be sold.[11] |- | Pilatus PC-9 ||  Switzerland || Trainer || PC-9/F || 11 || Also used for air policing on lower airspace, target-towing and electronic warfare training |- | Pilatus PC-21 ||  Switzerland || Advanced trainer || PC-21 || 6 |||2 Additional PC-21 Ordert |- | Beechcraft 1900 ||  United States || VIP Transport || 1900D || 1 || |- | Cessna Citation Excel ||  United States || VIP transport || Ce-560XL || 1 || |- | Pilatus PC-12 ||  Switzerland || Test & transport || PC-12 || 1 || The PC-12 HB-FOG is primary used by armasuisse to calibrate the FLORAKO system but if needet the Air Force can use it as Transporter |- | ADS-95 Ranger ||  Switzerland || UAV || ADS-95 || 24 || | Eurocopter Cougar ||  France || Transport || AS532UL || 12 || |- | rowspan=2|Eurocopter EC 635 || rowspan=2| Germany || Utility || EC 635 || 18 || rowspan=2| |- | VIP transport || EC 135 VIP || 2 |- | Aérospatiale Alouette III ||  France || Utility || SA316B || 8 || Being replaced by EC 635 |} Source: Swiss Armed Forces - Air Force assets (p. 12);[12] Schweizer Luftwaffe - Mittel: Flugzeuge, Helikopter, Flab[13] -   -

Withdrawn from service

  • Eurocopter Dauphin (-2009) VIP-Transport of the Goverment until 2008 with a Eurocopter Dauphin . Replacet by two Eurocopter EC 135 ( EC635VIP).
  • Learjet 35 (1987-2006)
  • BAe Hawk T.Mk.66 (1987-2002): Tottal 19 Aircrafts. 18 Aircrafts 2008 sold to Finnland.
  • Dassault Mirage III
    • Dassault Mirage IIIC (1962-1999): 1962 one Mirage IIIC buyet from France (J-2201) since 1964 used as Prototyp for missiles, systems and the electronic equipment (who was differend to the Mirage IIIC) of the swiss build Mirage IIIS.
    • Dassault Mirage IIIRS (1964-2003): The Mirage IIIRS, 18 Aircrafts is the Recon version of the Mirage IIIS.
    • Dassault Mirage IIIS (1964-1999): Mirage IIIS, 36 Aircrafts is a swiss version of the Mirage IIIC. With the a american Radar, canards (sinc 1988) build by SF Emmen (today RUAG Aerospace), Chaff- und Flare-Dispenser and wiering for nuklearbombs. It was planed to buy more as 100 Mirage IIIS but because massiv cost overruns it endet with the 36 Aircrafts. .
    • Dassault Mirage IIIBS (1964-2003) Trainingversion of the MirageIIIS 4, 2 of them lost
    • Dassault Mirage IIIDS (1983-2003) Trainingversion dof the MirageIIIS 2 Aircrafts as replacement for the 2 lost MirageIIIBS. A MirageIIIDS bis now in flyabel condition as HB-RDF iownet by the Musée Clin d'Ailes ESPACE PASSION at Payerne. Its possibel to have a flight with it for about CHF10000.
  • Hawker Hunter
    • Hawker Hunter F.Mk.58 / F.Mk.58A - Fighterbomber (1958-1994): its a upgradet version of the Hawker Hunter F.Mk.58 som of them are build in Switzerland. Tottal 152 Aircrafts.
    • Hawker Hunter T.Mk.68 - Trainer (1975-1994): The Hawker Hunter T.Mk.68 was the Hunter-Trainer build from the UK. These Trainers are build from F.Mk.6 (Single seater), who are first get rebuild for the svedish Air Force. Switzerland buyet 8 of this secondhand Trainers.
  • De Havilland Vampire DH.100 (1949-1990): The De Havilland Vampire DH.100 was the first jetfighter for the Swiss Air Force . They had no Radar but a later build in Martin-Baker-Ejectionseat.
    • 4 Aircrafts Typ "Vampire" DH-100 Mk.1 (first 3 Exemplare as Testaircrafts, after the crash of one was a additional Aircraft ordert. )
    • 178 Aircrafts Typ "Vampire" DH-100 Mk.6 (3 build from spare parts)
    • 39 Aircrafts Typ "Vampire" DH-115
  • De Havilland D.H.112 Venom (1949-1983): The De Havilland Venom DH.112 Fighterbomber is in fact a upgradet Vampire with differend backside, Wingtiptanks and serial Ejectionseat.
    • 126 Aircrafts Typ "Venom" DH-112 Mk.1
    • 100 Aircrafts Typ "Venom" DH-112 Mk.4
    • 24 Aircrafts Typ "Venom" DH-112 MK.1R
  • North American P-51D «Mustang» (1948-1958): 130 Aircrafts buyet for a price of US$ 4000.- per Aircraft.
  • Messerschmitt Bf 109 (1938-1949):


Withdrawn Airfields

In the WW2 and the Cold War time the Swiss Air Force had also this Airfilds, some of the are just landing strips on a field others where Fullsize Military Airbases:

  1. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference AFM69 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ "Swiss Hornets reach 50,000 flight hours milestone". MilAvia Press. 2008-10-24. Retrieved 14 July 2009.
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference AFM68 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ a b Air Forces Monthly, p. 74.
  5. ^ "Evaluation Partial Tiger Replacement (TTE)". Swiss Air Force. Retrieved 2 September 2009.
  6. ^ Air Forces Monthly, p. 71.
  7. ^ Cite error: The named reference AFM70 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  8. ^ "Order of Battle - Switzerland". MilAvia Press. Retrieved 14 July 2009.
  9. ^ a b Air Forces Monthly, p. 73.
  10. ^ Cite error: The named reference AFM was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  11. ^ Template:De icon "Pilatus PC-7 Turbo-Trainer and NCPC-7". Swiss Air Force. Retrieved 2 September 2009.
  12. ^ Cite error: The named reference basics was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  13. ^ Cite error: The named reference airassets was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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