Talk:The 39 Clues

Website

Does anyone think it's necessary to add the website content to this? A major part of The 39 Clues is the website. Only 10 clues are given from the books, therefore, the remaining 29 clues will be achieved thru the cards and the website. Maybe sections such as My Profile, My Cards, The Game, Cahill Website, etc. Thoughts?? Jmpresto (talk) 01:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Even though it is unlikely, more than one clue may be discovered in the next book, so it may be possible that more clues will be revealed from the books. But I think that it might be important to add a short summary for every section of the website. If anybody wanted any more information, they could always check the website itself.Jimbrock (talk) 20:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Why can't "the hunt is about Hope," quote be about the Hope diamond, which the mission following that book is all about, and about Hope cahill? they seem to fit both, but eveytime i change it to both someone changes it back. Is there something i'm missing? If not the other person need to stop changing it back and saying it is not about the hope diamond. Ldtruck82193 —Preceding undated comment added 17:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC).

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About the Clues

NO ONE must put the clues here. It spoils the readers and fans (such as myself). No one put this again. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 13:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Albertdaniel222, that is pretty much opposite to Wikipedia policy. This is an encyclopedia for facts, not a fan site. This issue was discussed long ago, and the decision was that editors can't start concealing things because they believe it would "spoil it". Someone who comes to Wikipedia should expect an uncensored description.

This makes sense for several reasons, when you consider. What is a spoiler for one person is not the same as for someone else. I remember reading one movie review that described a "Star Wars" film as George Lucas' "dirtiest trick". I immediately guessed what the dirty trick was, and I was quite annoyed that the movie had been spoiled for me. The points are these: If I didn't want to know about the movie before I watched it, I shouldn't have been reading the review. If the reviewer avoided writing *anything* that *might* spoil it for me, then...they probably couldn't write much of anything at all. (This happened to me just yesterday, I was editing the article for Spock, and was annoyed that someone had described his role in the new movie.) Well...I shouldn't have given into temptation. It wasn't Wikipedia's fault. Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 23:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, yes. Well, will ANYONE put this "descriptions" again? Albertdaniel222 (talk) 05:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

There s a video trailer that you can find on youtube. if you watch carefully, you can see the ekat sign with amy's anme under it, and dan's name under the tomas sign.

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henhen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.243.14 (talk) 22:44, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Worst Literature Article Ever Written

I was just curious about this book, so I peeked at this article. I was surprised- it seems to be written by a kid! 124.106.9.55 (talk) 13:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Reminds me of doing my "homework" and reading an Animorph book by K. A. Applegate. I thought, "I could write one of these in three weeks!" Then I read an interview. Turns out she writes 'em in two. Ha, ha, ha.

I read parts of a couple books in The 39 Clues series, and wasn't particularly shocked at the writing. (I did note that the number of pages is dropping considerably as the series goes on, while the price is not.) Perhaps you aren't in the target audience? At any rate, to criticize in the Wiki article itself, find a reliable source, and quote a sentence from there, with citation. Piano non troppo (talk) 22:56, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

it was writen by a kid because it is a childrens book and mostly children play the game and by the way, and to the next person and mabye your to old to read these books or too stupid to injoy them and finnally to the lant person you have to read the whole book to injoy it

It is a pretty terrible article. Really poorly written.

Cards

I think that this section should be split into a new article. This section is already long, but it is going to get a lot longer. There is a lot more information that can be added to the section, like describing how the cards look and what is on them. Also, another big chart that is a list of the cards in Card Pack 2 can be added right now. In the future, two more of these charts can be added for card packs 3 and 4. So this section will become very, very long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ag97 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Irina Spasky

She seems like the character to follow in the books. One moment trying to kill the children, and the next moment trying to save their lies. It is said that she had a son of her own who died after he was a toddler. Also, she recognized one of the men in the Black Circle (of which she is the creator of). In case anybody didn't notice, she shares the same middle name as Anastasia. Relation? To NRR? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.30.225 (talk) 02:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, First, it was she who died in In to Deep, so you v=cant follow her anymore. NRR is an only child, and has no other close family since they were assainated. The man was in the circle but not a part of it, he was probably there to protect Ammy and Dan, or destroy the clue after they found it. No i didnt notice the simularity to the middle names, but they are both russian, so that may explain that. Probably decended from the same child of Luke, and was that person's first name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldtruck82193 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

In case you didn't know, Russian people's middle names come from their father. Ex. Father=Ruslan Middle name=Ruslanova. So Anastasia's father name was Nicholas, hence Nikolaivena. So I'm guessing that Irina's father's name is also Nicholas. 99.243.232.227 (talk) 19:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Relatives

Is it safe to speculate that people such as Ted Kennedy (JFK's younger brother) and Caroline Kennedy (JFK's daughter) are from the Tomas branch considering JFK is from that branch and that Roy Disney (Walt's brother) is from the Janus branch since Walt Disney is from this branch too. Technically they would be from those branches but i don't know if we should add them. if we do, we cannot add parents, grandparents, half-siblings, etc. because we don't know which parent is the Cahill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superchicken781 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC) No it isn't because people who are related don't have the same traits. Look at Padma and her twin in the Harry Potter series. They're TWINS, aren't they? But they're in different houses. Same thing here. Look at Gordon Korman and his son. Gordon's a Janus and his son's a LUCIAN. Does that tell you anything? 99.243.232.227 (talk) 19:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Where Did You Hear That From?

I couldn't help but notice in the article it says that in book 7 that "it is belived they will visit a Tomas Stronghold" and about book 8 "It is said that Aunt Beatrice's detective wil find Amy and Dan". Says Who? Where did you hear this? I didn't een read that Aunt Beatrice has a detective! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Himboy484wikidude (talk • contribs) 23:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC) ---Didn't you read book one??? Their aunt had a detective after them as soon as the fire happened, and they ran off with their au pair!!! Fangride (talk) 04:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The Secrets of Their Parents Past

The 1st video was supposed to come out yesterday! Why is it not up, and where was this information found? Also, if it is up, what is the link? Fangride (talk) 04:36, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Response to Fangride's response on the "Where Did You Hear That From?" Section

Okay Fangride, respond to this and tell me what page it says that on. While you do that, I am going to find my lost copy of the first book. Should take 5 minutes. Okay, so tell me soon! Sincerely, Himboy484wikidude —Preceding unsigned comment added by Himboy484wikidude (talk • contribs) 00:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

-I believe after the fire, Nellie tells them about the detective... I'm not sure.

pg 214: Mr McIntyre tells them "Your aunt has hired a private detective to find you." 71.129.87.223 (talk) 20:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

READ THE 39 CLUES SERIES NOW!!!!

The 39 clues is an amazing series, you never know what will happen next. Each book is written by a different author, and there are so many od twists and turns. Once you start reading, you won't be able to put it down! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.1.193 (talk) 22:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Book 3

What happened. Wheres the section for book 3. Tennispro45 00:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Its there. Section 4.3. Didn't you read the article? --Himboy484wikidude (talk) 15:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Book seven

How can you not know the title of book seen? I thought it was end of days. Once the article said that.I checked it the next day and poof it wasn't there. I guess it isn't.End of days doesn't sound right too. I gess it isn't that. What is it? Rock on and keep reading the seires, 206.53.153.226 (talk) 00:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

MISSION 5 LATE SEPTEMBER

I believe Mission 5 says coming "Late September". SO IT'S GONNA COME OUT IN LATE SEPTEMBEr. When's That? NOW? Hmm... I'll go check.

Death of their parents.

10/9/09 Does anybody know how the Holts are involved in the deaths of Amy & Dan's parents? Don't bother arguing that they aren't, becuase it says so on the back of Card 90: Hamilton Holt. PS: Do any of you know basic english? I feel like I'm reading a 5-year old's handiwork. Also, please put the Clues section back.

     Thank you,
         Anonymous

The Holts where probably there the night before the fire, at least the dad was, with Isabel Kabra, Irina, and Alistar.

cahill

11/03/09 it turnes out that Cahill is a real family name. guess what they are from Ireland this is one of their crests [1] common variations of this name are O'Cahill Cahille Cahil Cahel etc.

--75.19.39.152 (talk) 00:29, 5 November 2009 (UTC) vinsoncahill

The 39 clues, Amy and Dan's branch.

Well, I think they are Madrigals. Because the man in black, (Madrigal) Always is either following Amy and Dan or is watching them. Plus I don't think it would be fair if Amy and Dan belong to one branch, because most of us aren't Madrigals. Right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.70.185.91 (talk) 00:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Noone has entered under the madigal branch that i know of, Madrigal or Janus are probably what Amy and Dan are. Friske, Grace's brother was a painter thus maybe a janus, also, Grace flew, a janus art. Nellie most likely seems janus for her flying, love of music, and the art of cooking, also. The Man in Black sounds like Friske though, so maybe they belong to both Janus and Madrigal. Desiended from Jane, but converted to madrigal. One problam is that amy and Dan's Dad, Auther Trent, sounds like a Tomas, not one of the stupid tomas either. Trent knew Holt, sounds like they were rivals in school or coladge or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.18.242.224 (talk) 16:22, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

eisenhower and arthur were roommates at west point (card #145). eisenhower hates him cause he got him expelled. and i was thinking lucian cause theyre good w/ puzzles and codes and so is dan. flamingmonkeyninja —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flamingmonkeyninja (talk • contribs) 22:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protection Policy

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Please change The 39 Clues article to a well-edited article. I always have hard time rechanging edits made messily by unregistered users. This article is mostly seen vandalized by Wikipedia users, and I would like you to participate in protecting it. --FDJoshua22 (talk) 11:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Furthermore, I do not understand what you want to do. If you want it to be semi-protected, you should make a request at the appropriate page. Brian Jason Drake 11:53, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Madrigals

Abigail Adams and Amelia Earhart were. I think Amy was partly right about Amelia protecting the world "from" the Madrigals. I think The "madrigals" Were protcting the world "from" the "cahills" In the Liberty Bell there was a note to Sidney George Reilly from the M.

Hidden Messages

How about a section on the hidden messages in the books? 69.108.2.30 (talk) 20:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: RockyRob

To RockRob, what the heck did you do with the book summaries?! It made the page look like a forum or a fan website. The older summary meets Wikipedia's guidelines as being precise and relevant. I hope someone can revert his edits. --FDJoshua22 04:16, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Editsemiprotected

{{editsemiprotected}} Although the text was removed by another user, I would ask that this page could be semi protected to prevent further incidents like this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewmdm (talk • contribs) 18:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

If you want this page semiprotected, you will need to ask at the Request For Page Protection Page. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 289° 56' 30" NET 19:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Split up

I propose that some of the parts of this article are split up into seperate articles, for instance, the large part about the characters could be put into List of 39 Clues Characters. This would help to clean it up. Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 18:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

You may have a point. But still, if someone will create another The 39 Clues-related article, it should meet Wikipedia's policy guidelines, unlike The 39 Clues Cards. --FDJoshua22 09:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by FDJoshua22 (talk • contribs)

After reading the WP:SIZE guidelines I think the article is fine for now, since the size should go down once this article is just cleaned up (i.e., original research and trivia removed). I think the focus should be on cleaning up this article and especially The 39 Clues Cards before spinning off a new article which would be begging for more speculation and excessive detail. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

How do the My Agent Cards violate Wikipedia policy??? As stated in an earlier discussion, cards are an essential part of The 39 Clues series. The My Agent Cards are no different. Anyone with a 39 Clues account can go online and add these cards to get digital copies and verify the information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.250.188 (talk) 15:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Listing the cards is original research, and even if it had sources, they would be unreliable. The fact that there are "My Agent Cards" is fine, but that's no reason to list everything. Unless "their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic" this is also a clear violation of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

How is this any different from the other card lists and card combos that are on the page? The My Agent Cards ARE associated with this list topic. They are a part of the series and the game. How is it unreliable info if you can check it? The only part of what was listed in the table that would be unreliable would be the rank (as it changes as you play the game) and the date added (since users can put whatever they want). Why not delete the two "unreliable" columns but leave the rest? Why take away information that people are clearly looking at and using (based on the edits made to the my agent cards list)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.250.188 (talk) 16:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

And how is this original reseach?? (Yes, I've read the link that you put up.) All info CAN be verified by going to the39clues.com (which is the official website for this series) and entering the card codes. The same is true for the bonus cards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.250.188 (talk) 17:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Can I assume that since you are not answering my questions that I have valid arguments and can put the list back up in the modified form (without the "unreliable" information)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.250.188 (talk) 14:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Not to get snippy, but you can assume that I have a life outside of Wikipedia and that I sleep occasionally. As far as it being original research, the policy I linked to explicitly says "Do not add unsourced material from your personal experience, as that would make Wikipedia a primary source of that material." If this is the only place that the list exists then it's original research (which appears to be the case as editors have been posting single cards, presumably theirs, or cards that are found on forums (which are not WP:Reliable sources)). If anyone can go to the39clues.com and there is already a list of everybody's card (without you having to enter them in beforehand) then it may be acceptable, but is still likely giving WP:UNDUEWEIGHT unless sharing these user created cards is very important to the collectible card aspect of The 39 Clues (since the list made up almost half of the article). As I understand it, the ranks and the non-user-created cards are of significantly more importance. Does that clear things up at all? VernoWhitney (talk) 15:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I still don't see how this is any different from the Bonus cards. Is there a list of these outside of wikipedia from a reliable source? Because I haven't seen one. And yes, sharing these user created cards is very important to the collectible card aspect of The 39 Clues. If it's an issue of length, can't the My Agent Cards list go on a separate page? Again, all info can be verified through the official website of the 39 clues. And I can't imagine the official website is not a reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.250.188 (talk) 16:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

If the Bonus cards are no different, then they should probably be removed also. And it's not just an issue of length, it's an issue with everything I've said before. I understand that you can go through and check them one by one, but that is still original research as I said before. All content on Wikipedia should at the very least be verifiable (which this information probably is), not original research (which is the biggest problem with this, unless I'm missing something), and from a neutral point of view (which brings us back to the problem of undue weight, but if you can explain how sharing of these cards is very important could be overcome). Finally, content should not be simply a directory of things or a fan site, but that's probably less of an issue than the original research one. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

To say that these cards are more important than the non-user-created cards would not be true; however, to say that these cards are unimportant in the game would also be untrue. As far as being collectible, each card is unique. It has a unique number, name, and card code. It is also important in the game to share these cards. Sharing your card and adding other people's cards helps you gain medals which increases your prestige. Gaining prestige helps you move up the ranks in your branch.

http://www.the39clues.com/info/help/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2987&p_created=1260980788&p_sid=bmQI7GWj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9MjoyJnBfcm93X2NudD04OCw4OCZwX3Byb2RzPTU5OCw0NjAmcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PX5hbnl_JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9YW5zd2Vycy5zZWFyY2hfbmwmcF9wYWdlPTM!&p_li=&p_topview=1

http://www.the39clues.com/info/help/popup_adp.php?p_faqid=2989&p_created=1260980903&p_sid=bmQI7GWj&p_lva=&p_li=&p_redirect=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9MjoyJnBfcm93X2NudD04OCw4OCZwX3Byb2RzPTU5OCw0NjAmcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PX5hbnl_JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9YW5zd2Vycy5zZWFyY2hfbmwmcF9wYWdlPTM!

http://www.the39clues.com/info/help/popup_adp.php?p_faqid=2988&p_created=1260980857&p_sid=bmQI7GWj&p_lva=&p_li=&p_redirect=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9MjoyJnBfcm93X2NudD04OCw4OCZwX3Byb2RzPTU5OCw0NjAmcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PX5hbnl_JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9YW5zd2Vycy5zZWFyY2hfbmwmcF9wYWdlPTM!

Some of the medals you can gain by adding agent cards are: Kingpin, Commander, Ringleader, Associate, Diplomat, Conspirator, Insider, Accomplice. These medals can only be gained by sharing My Agent Cards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.250.188 (talk) 14:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

So that information that you listed right there, or something like it, can be added to that section of the article (with the sources you found), but that's still not a reason to list each of the cards. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

How about a list of characters at List of 39 Clues Characters? We can just copy the list from this article and replace it with a {{main}} template or a few of the characters. What does anyone think? Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 10:22, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Winifred Thembeka

Could someone please put her? I had always read her in articles and blogs about The 39 Clues: The Viper's Nest. I don't have the book yet, and thus, I don't know what is her importance in the novel. All I know is that she is a librarian.--FDJoshua22 15:50, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Come on!!!

I got the 39 clues official agent guide which said that book 9 was to be called Storm Warning and that it would involve Anne Bonny! Why did you guys delete it?!? -- AquaTeen13 —Preceding undated comment added 15:01, 26 March 2010 (UTC).

It needs to be cited so that it's verifiable information: Does it have information like an ISBN number or an author? VernoWhitney (talk) 15:17, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found it at bn.com, I'll re-add the information with a citation to the source. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Various

A lot of the references on this page are on Various.wikibruce which is another wiki. Should these be used? If we can't use IMDB for references then I don't think we should be able to use other wikis. Thanks, Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 12:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

No, they shouldn't be used at all. However, if I recall the wikibruce pages actually cite page numbers and the like, which is what we should use to replace the wikibruce references. I just haven't had enough time and interest to go through and start replacing them yet. VernoWhitney (talk) 13:31, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Branches

Ok. Under the section "Branches", the four family branches Tomas, Janus, Ekat, and Lucian are linked. Is this nesscessary as those four branches are listed below? I personally think that should be undone..Homework talkpage 14:53, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree, and I've done it. At least I think I got them all. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I found it a little annoying. Homework talkpage 15:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)