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Global Brahma Kumaris and 2012

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Speedied as A7, but does not really fit; since the speedy was contested, there's no point in proding, so I take this totally unencyclopedic essay here. DGG ( talk ) 21:18, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty clear delete; speedy, if possible. Written in first person, citing what I received through my link to God as a source--wow, yeah, this isn't going to work here. To make things worse, it's a spamvertisement for some Youtube videos. Heather (talk) 01:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the guidance. I'm amending the article to get it altered into something that is fit for an encyclopedia. I have done my Masters degree and have done a dissertation for a PhD which has been approved by a university. So I can understand what you guys are trying to say.Brahma Kumari Pari (talk) 03:29, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. At present, the article has several issues, and these are noted above. It is possible that the topic would better be served with an article elsewhere on the internet; until the topic has more coverage in independent, reliable sources (as defined by policy), it is unlikely that an article would survive here. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 14:05, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Delete. If the Brahma Kumaris and other similar groups are allowed to have their own article at Wikipedia, then something must also be here on the Global Brahma Kumaris. The Brahma Kumaris have many centers and members world wide. They have become very influential and many people know of them and their activities. There are many who do not like their family members joining the Brahma Kumaris because of all the things going on in the Brahma Kumaris. It has become huge and thus a lot of injustice etc takes place there. Thus, many have also left the Brahma Kumaris but are continuing to practice the BK knowledge while adopting to the ways of the world and this is what the Global Brahma Kumaris are all about. There are so many of such people world-wide and so the article will be capable of providing information about what's happening in the world in a informative and evaluative manner. What the Global Brahma Kumaris are involved with, is not something that many people world-wide are not aware of. Thus, people will want to know of what knowledgeable people are saying relating to this. One would be able to get to know of the pros and cons here. Further, the article has already got altered pretty quickly. The article does not sound like as if it was written in first person anymore. The article provokes the mind of thinkers relating to the scriptures. This is a encyclopedia-worthy trait, apart from the fact, that facts are given relating to what is happening in the world. The authour is intelligent will be capable of providing very evaluative information for the public. Though I am not as free as her, where time is concerned, (because I have a job) I will also amend the article from time to time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LingKri (talk • contribs) 02:01, 20 April 2010 (UTC) LingKri (talk) 02:02, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The article and it's source appear to be published by the Brahma Kumari Pari and the links at the bottom of the article are to Youtube videos of herself. Also the comments and edits of LingKri, a new single-purpose account, appear to be some kind of stawman trolling in that it appears to be enthusiastic about the article and the editor but at the same time condemning the beliefs with words like "doomsday cult" and some anti-BK propaganda thrown in. The article itself is somewhat left-field of any mainstream beliefs that could be attributed to the Brahma Kumaris. Bksimonb (talk) 14:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Delete. The Brahma Kumaris trains their members, who they use for service, to topple over anyone who does not accept their control and Bksimonb is just acting based on that training. LingKri is a member of the Global Brahma Kumaris Forum and Bksimond has just blindly made statements about LingKri in an attempt to topple over all his efforts. This is what the Brahma Kumaris do to all those who do not obey them. Bksimonb is attacking this article because BKs are trained to do such things to people who do not follow their guidance and instructions. Thus, Bksimonb's comment cannot be taken as a fair comment. It is biased because he is acting to uplift the image of the Brahma Kumaris. There was a comment made in the ex-BK forum that the BKs are constantly erasing the comments which they make in the articles on the Brahma Kumaris in Wikipedia. The Brahma Kumaris are not allowing fair comments in the articles about them. Bksimonb is also opposing this article because it is contrary to the good image of the Brahma Kumaris. Bksimond is also probably worried that the ex-BKs might spoil the Brahma Kumaris' image through revealing the truth about the Brahma Kumaris through this article. The Brahma Kumaris is a Doomsday cult but they are trying their best to cover it up so as to look like angels. This is not a forum but I had to say something because of what Bksimonb said. This article should be allowed to stay because it will allow fair comments to be made without any fear of being penalised by the Brahma Kumaris and because the contents of the articles are good.Karentansu (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong delete. "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable," but there are no independent reliable sources presented in this article. —C.Fred (talk) 17:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The basic knowledge relied upon and developed by the Global Brahma Kumaris is from the basic knowledge of the Brahma Kumaris. However, the members of the Brahma Kumaris are trained to make sure that everything is within their control and they will do anything to uplift their image or to maintain a good image. A friend of mine who is a lawyer (called Diwanji) and who had acted for some of the legal matters of the Brahma Kumaris told me of a case which he had handled for the Brahma Kumaris. Karuna Bhai, one of the seniors of the Brahma Kumaris at Shantivan (in India), knows him and Diwanji told me that it was Karuna Bhai who had requested him to act on behalf of the Brahma Kumaris, for the case where 2 BKs burnt another to death. It involved 3 centerwasis who were staying together in a BK center in North India. Centerwasis are those who live in the center and take care of the center and they observe celibacy (no sex). Two women and one man stayed in this center. The man and one of the woman began to sleep together and have sex. When the 3rd centerwasi got to know of this, the 2 centerwasis who were having an affair killed her by burning her. So the Brahma Kumaris asked my friend to help them to close the matter and to keep it unknown to the public, by paying off all relevant people including the police. Since the police were paid off, the police did not proceed with the matter and they closed the case. Having been in the Brahma Kumaris, I know that there is a lot of room for things like this to happen in the Brahma Kumaris and so I was not surprised when I heard it. But I have not checked it out to see if there is any truth in it. But if you take a look at the contents of the ex-BK Forum at [1], you will find a lot of stuff there which the Brahma Kumaris are trying to conceal. There is also another ex-BK Forum at [2]. The Brahma Kumaris are trying to make it seem like as if they are not a Doomsday cult and so they will deny that they are a source for some of the things said in this article. For some of the things which the BKs agree to, e.g. that there is a soul in each human body etc, I will try to link it up to some reliable source which may be a BK source or maybe from elsewhere. But where the practice of the BK teaching and Hinduism is concerned, I have been practicing the 2 for many years. I was born a Hindu and I have been practising BK knowledge since 1994. So I am a reliable source where experience and practice is concerned, in regards to these. So I understand the topic which I am writing on. But I will try my best to quote reliable sources like the Mahabharata and other scriptures, etc since sources have to be quoted in the wikipedia articles. The interpretation that the Pandavas are the fingers and that Draupadi is the palm is supposed to be based on a Hindu story. I will try to locate it. But in the Mahabharata itself, Krishna tells the Pandavas that they are not five but one. It is also said in the Mahabharata that when there is unity between the 5 fingers, they act as one hand or fist and the fist represents power. In the Mahabharata itself is was said that the sharing of Draupadi has to be understood. The Mahabharata is by itself the source that the each Pandava is endowed or blessed with a speciality. Since the Mahabharata, by itself, is a source for some of the things said in the article, the Mahabharata itself is a reliable source for these. A lot of other Hindu scriptures are also sources where the Hindu gods and goddesses are concerned. There are other reliable sources but I will have to find the reliable sources to quote. However, I am not too sure as to how to make a reference to an external link as a footnote and to link the contents in the body (of the article) to that footnote with a link. I am trying to learn how to do it. Further, it will take some time for me to properly link the article up to various sources and other wikipedia articles. I could cite BK books for some sources, though I am not sure if BK books are considered as reliable sources, especially since they are hiding a lot of their knowledge from the public to give themselves a good image. The Global Brahma Kumaris do not hide anything in respect of the spiritual knowledge used by the BK like how the BKs hide. So what one hears from the Global Brahma Kumaris may be closer to the Truth where BK knowledge is concerned than what the BKs present to the public. But off course, the Global Brahma Kumaris members accept even other teachings from other sources which the Brahma Kumaris do not accept and so what we use may not be the same as that which is accepted and used by the Brahma Kumaris. By the way, Wikipedia also has a “Ignore all rules” policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR)Wikipedia:Ignore all rules. I especially liked this point from the wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_%22Ignore_all_rules%22_means) Wikipedia:What "Ignore all rules" means: “Following the rules is less important than using good judgment and being thoughtful and considerate, always bearing in mind that good judgment is not displayed only by those who agree with you.” One need to have been in the Brahma Kumaris for many years to understand the injustice that can be done by the Brahma Kumaris to their members and through their extremist teachings. The BK knowledge is also interpretated by the seniors in such a way that it is in favour of the seniors and it helps to keep them in power and in control. The BKs are also indoctrinated with certain knowledge which can make it very difficult for members to live comfortably in the world, outside the Brahma Kumaris. Thus, there are many members, who have left the Brahma Kumaris, who are trying to help these people. The Global Brahma Kumaris is also one of those. It would be most considerate to the general public to allow the ex-BK members to speak as well, so that people do not just get the BK view point from the Brahma Kumaris, which is what is in the articles on the Brahma Kumaris. One can understand what I am saying by reading the things posted by ex-BKs in the ex-BK Forums. Many of those ex-BK Forum members had been members of the Brahma Kumaris for many years before they left. So they know of what is happening in the Brahma Kumaris. I do not mind if all the contents in my article gets deleted as being inappropriate and something else gets put in it's place. Since the Brahma Kumaris is a doomsday cult , one can't also separate the Global Brahma Kumaris from “world destruction” or doomsday. 2012 is an appropriate representation for doomsday.Brahma Kumari Pari (talk) 14:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]