User talk:Morwen/9

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Liberal Democrats

You just added Liberal Democrat to the LDYS expansion, although as I was describing the catchment group for these organisations it looks wrong to just add this for the one grouping. I think it looks better without (as otherwise would need to expand all of them for consistency...) --VampWillow 21:03, 2004 May 10 (UTC)

What I did was make there be a link to it under that name (as Youth & Students would be rather ambigous) - the text shown remains the same. Morwen 21:11, May 10, 2004 (UTC)

mea culpa.. that'll teach me to look at the code not the output! --VampWillow 21:31, 2004 May 10 (UTC)

made a slight amendment for consistency VampWillow

UK Local Authority / District naming

That's a *very* purple dress, Morwen! I was wondering about local authority / district pages and naming, having stumbled across the City of Bradford whilst editing the Ilkley article. The City of Bradford's title gives no hint that it is about an Area - though I do concede the council is called City of Bradford MDC. Compare it with, say, Alnwick (district) - here I greant the (district) is required to disambiguate the name from the article on the town. All of which got me around to wondering whether area names which are to all intent & purpose defined by local government boundaries, should not be named as is the authority. Bringing it back home to Ilkley, I know the good folk there would prefer to think they live in the Bradford Met Area, than in the City of Bradford. However I know you've put in a great deal of thought & work into the Area pages, and so will not unilaterally change the pagename, but rather open a discussion. best wishes --Tagishsimon

I guess I was saying that I thought the page should be entitled City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council area, or even City of Bradford area or Bradford area. "Ilkley people may not like the fact they live in the City of Bradford, but they certainly do", you say. But that is my point exactly. They do not live in the City of Bradford, which is a place defined, I'd guess, in its Royal Charter. They live in the Town of Ilkley, which happens to be in the Bradford Area (however we name it). I agree that St.Albans has a crappy long name, and that the whole thing is a pest...but still, something just ain't right about the present naming. If it helps, I'm up for assisting in whatever work needs doing, should you come to agree that something should be done; I suspect User:Keith Edkins might also have input on this, and I'll ask him.

No, they definitely _do_ live in the City of Bradford. They're not going to like that very much, Morwen. I'm going to volunteer you to tell them; I suggest you wear the purple again; they might think you're the Pope and take it somewhat better. So. No article name changes, I guess, which I suppose is good. Thanks for taking the trouble to find the evidence to support your argument. best wishes --Tagishsimon

That way madness lies. Even St. Albans cannot decide what it is called; study the left column in [1]. Feel free to nick [2] as a starting point, if you want ... I think it was compiled fairly carefully. Yes, very purple. --Tagishsimon

Do we even have a list of UK Local Authorities / administrative Areas on the Wikipedia? I've not yet seen one, and it would make life easier, non? I think (in no particular timescale) I might add very specific Census 2001 links to all town & local authority pages, since the ONS seem to dice and slice the Census 2001 website in that fashion. Tsk. I wish I'd started on wikipedia at the start of winder, not at the start of summer ... so many things to do other than sit at th terminal ... warm light nights... --Tagishsimon

<coy>I might be.</coy> --Tagishsimon

A request for help

Given your name's association with the word's origin, I was wondering if you might have a look at morning as a favor to me? I saw a red link to morning and was surprised, so I shifted over part of the 1911 EB text, but the article still needs plenty of work, I think. I can't decide exactly how the article should proceed, and I'm slightly worried that it may not get outside a dictionary definition (although night had no trouble with that). I'm going to think about it and consider some additions, but when I considered who might be willing to help, the ME word morwen jumped out at me and made me think of you. :-) Jwrosenzweig 18:09, 12 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Your additions are looking great. :-) Jwrosenzweig 18:22, 12 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

City splitting

About cities splitting. I am not opposed to splitting city articles per se, but I am generally of the opinion that common usage should be our guide to whether things are split or not.

I didn't mind the splitting of the Sunderland article too much because a large chunk of the city of Sunderland was made up of Washington etc.

But in the case of Sheffield I dont think the case is so clear cut, Stocksbridge is the only significant place which is seperate from the main conurbation and that has a population of only 14,000 out of a total population of over 500,000.

Also common usage associates 'Sheffield' with 'city'. As I say many readers will find it mightily odd to see Sheffield is a place in the city of Sheffield they might not understand what were talking about.

I would still favour them to be re-merged. I dont know if I've persuaded you G-Man 12:36, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Districts of Wales

I think the county boroughs of Wales probably all need doing, probably either at Conwy County Borough or Conwy (county borough). I'd favour the first, but the second is closer to what you've done for England (and great work that was, too).

Looking at Welsh Wikipedia, it has Conwy (town), Conwy (county) and Conwy (constituency), but I don't think that's a good idea. Warofdreams 17:50, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Where places are

I though we'd reached an understanding whereby places are listed geographically and not politically. I see you've reverted the 'Newport' page which I'd listed geographic counties instead of arbitrary suffixes like 'South East Wales'. There was even a disclaimer to explain this! I really don't see the point in putting Newport, South East Wales (traditionally in Monmouthshire). Monmouthshire IS IN South East Wales, so phrasing it your way adds nothing (except confusion). I'd also had a stab at listing the Newport's by population but your reverting to an older version has undone that. How about a consensus here? Owain 12:51, 14 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

English Districts

Don't take my word for it, the Office for National Statistics proclaimeth thusly:

There are currently 46 unitary authorities in England, and 34 shire counties split into 239 (non-metropolitan) districts. Note that this district total includes the Isles of Scilly ... [3]

There are 32 actual (London) boroughs, and also the City of London ... [4]

The 36 metropolitan district councils... [5]

Q.E.D. --Keith Edkins 14:10, 14 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Blair

If you look at pages such as Derry Irvine (on the "charts" at the bottom, listing the preceding and succeeding person in each office), life peers are listed as "Lord Falconer of Thoroton". I just used that as my reference. As I understand it, many life peers did go by their peerages, while others didn't (such as George Robertson, who's ironically listed as "Lord Robertson" throughout the NATO pages). cryptfiend64 19:26, May 14, 2004 (UTC)

Your User Page's Facelift

Hi Moreen! I've just had a look at your user page (not for the first time, but for the first time since you uploaded that photo). It's nice to be able to put a face to the name of the first person to welcome me to Wikipedia back in January:=) David Cannon 11:15, 15 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Lists of flags

People are focusing on completing the List of flags with red article. Can you do this with the other flag color list articles as well?? There are a total of 7, which are blue, red, white, yellow, green, black, and orange. 66.245.2.114 17:40, 15 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]