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Number of Sephardi Jews

In 1999 SHAS, the party which represents non-Ashkenazi Jews, i.e. Mizrahi + Sephardi, polled 430,000 votes. Given the fact that some of the Sephardi Jews vote for the Likud Party also and that they tend to have more children than the Ashkenazim, the number of Sephardi Jews stated in the article is grossly under-estimated. The fact the Labour Party - a stronghold of the liberal-letist Ashkenazi elite - has been in power continuously from 1948 to 1977 and mostly out of power since then is partly a result of the change in demographics (apart from the influx of former Soviet Jews, of which 15-20% were non Ashkenazim from Central Asia). There is also no inclusion of the 20,000 Iranian Jews. Petruclej (talk) 19:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sephardi Jews - 9 images

Copied from user's talk pages

DOB is fine... please bear in mind that the images will line up differently on different peoples computers. 9 images might look ok on your screen but it might look out of alignment for somebody else.--Dr who1975 (talk) 19:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Dr who1975! Thanks for your note. Hadn't thought of that... Do you think a solution just as the one that was found for Portuguese people is a good idea? I'll work on it and propose it. Thank! The Ogre (talk) 20:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The image you sent me from the portuguese page is actually very common. If you look at pages such as African American, Italians, Irish American and Jew you'll see that arrangement. I wouldnb't say it's universal as pages like Irish people, Italian American, and Ashkenazi Jews don't have it but still... it's very common.--Dr who1975 (talk) 20:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again! Following your last note, I have uploaded to the commons the image you can see below. I'm putting it in the article. Cheers! The Ogre (talk) 21:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you get the picture of Jacques Derrida?... I wouldn;t recomened using it if it's copyrighted... not sure if it would get the image deleted or not.--Dr who1975 (talk) 21:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not copirighted - check the page at the commons! Cheers! The Ogre (talk) 21:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The most famous Sephardi/Mizrahi Jew alive is missing from this photomontage - Rav Ovadia Yosef - surely more important than Rav Shlomo Amar... Petruclej (talk) 12:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably! I wouldn't know. Notice however that this article is about Sephardi strictu senso, which does not include Mizrahi. Ovadia Yosef is, I belive, an Iraqi Jew, is he not? And Amar is the present Sephardi Chief Rabi in Israel, is he not? And he is listed as being Sephardi, not Mizrahi, in List of Sephardi Jews, even if he comes, or his family, from Morroco - where a lot of Iberian Jews took refuge. When I made this image my intention was not to present a final, authoritative, list of Sephardi Jews - I just wanted to improve on the format problems that the presence of several different images provoked, and to introduce some simetry - in the number os pictures (there where only seven before) and in the the profile of people pictured (that is why I introduced a modern non-religious intelectual and a modern rabi). Do you see my point? Of course an open discussion can be put forward regarding who should be pictured. I believe some principles should prevail: historical diversity, religious / non-religious diversity, national diversity, professional diversity, gender diversity. In a word: diversity. Cheers! The Ogre (talk) 15:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There's no requirement that the most famous individuals have to be pictured. I know less about the history of Sephardic Jewry than either of you so I can’t argue as to any individuals authenticity as a Sephardic Jew. Just a note: are we sure the page is only about people with a Sephardic heritage. I could make an argument that a Rabbi who was not born Sephardic but contributed greatly to Sephardic tradition could indeed make them a de facto Sephardic Jew (my first point overrides the necessity for any such person to be pictured). If I moved to a Sephardic temple and identified myself as one I certainly wouldn’t want someone telling me I wasn’t one.--Dr who1975 (talk) 16:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that this article is about ethnic Sephardi and not liturgycal Sephardi (as it is stated in the Definition). The Ogre (talk) 17:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's such an artificial distinction between Jews who originally migrated fron Spain and other non-Ashkenazi Jews - the Mizrahim. Many of the Jews from from Spain have found their way to Egypt, Persia, Afganistan, Iraq and India. My point is that Rav Shlomo Amar is a quite unremarkable rabbi (as chief rabbi he is appointed by the state) and a follower of Rav Ovadia who is the most revered Sephardi/Mizrahi rabbi in th world. And why is Paula Abdul - a Syrian Jew - so remarkable? She is surely a dwarf when compared to Enrico Macias, Yehoram Gaon, Ofra Haza (sorry, as Yemenite she should be excluded according to your criteria), Elias Cannetti, Siegfried Sassoon, Carl Djerassi, Edmond Safra, Emma Lazarus, Benjamin Cardozo, etc. Petruclej (talk) 18:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, you may be right in all acounts! That distinctions may be "artificial", as you say, but it is still there - and I understood this to be the article about Sephardim strictu senso - this was not my choice! The article was already that as a result of previous discussions, I suppose. Notice that there is an article about the Mizrahi Jews (and that, as all categories, including Ashkenazi, may be an artificial category!). If this article is about both Sephardi strictu senso and Mizrahi then we have unbalanced articles. And, even if distinctions may be somewhat artificial, I do believe that there were some differences between Jews originating in the Iberian Peninsula (Portugal and Spain) and Jews who already resided in North African and Middle East countries before the expulsion from Iberia. And do notice that many Sephardi did not go to the Islamic world but to France, the Netherlands, and the Americas (namely the US and Brazil) - see Spanish and Portuguese Jews. If some of the people now pictured are not Sephardi strictu senso please say so (is that what you are saying about Paula Abdul?). And, again, if you want to propose other peolple, please do so! But I ask you to make a list of people for whom a free non-copyrighted image can be found. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 19:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's impoortant to show people like Paula Abdul and Hank Azaria because they buck Stereotypes.--Dr who1975 (talk) 22:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, should Cecil B. DeMille even be here? Yes, his mother was a Sephardi, but was he a Sephardi, or just someone of partial Sephardi ancestry? I mean, did he identify as a Jew (whatever the sense) and specifically a Sephardi? The Ogre (talk) 19:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This image of his grave site tends to indicate that he did not identify as a Jew [1].--Ѕandahl 19:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's clearly debatable... I don't see a problem with it since Sephardi judiasm is also a heritage.--Dr who1975 (talk) 22:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but if someone, independent of heritage, clearly states, "I am not a Jew", then that person should not be pushed to the front row. The Ogre (talk) 23:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're the one who put the final image together. Change it. Are you looking for suggestions?--Dr who1975 (talk) 13:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
David Ricardo looks like a good possibility. Admittedly, he became a Unitarian but unlike DeMille, both his parent's were Sephardic. His picture is also public domain. It'd be nice to replace DeMille with a 20th century figure but choices are limited.--Dr who1975 (talk) 14:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Emma Lazarus and Benjamin Cardozo are good possibilities and both images are public domain.--Ѕandahl 19:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal - 18 pictures

Well... I'll try do some new version, including Ricardo, Lazarus and Cardoso. Regarding Petruclej proposals:

  • Rabi Ovadia - Iraqui Mizrahim
  • Enrico Macias - Algerian Sephardi - no picture available
  • Yehoram Gaon - Israli Sephardi - no picture available
  • Ofra Haza - Yemenite Mizrahim
  • Elias Canetti - Bulgaria Sephardi - picture available - will do
  • Siegfried Sassoon - Baghdadi Mizrahim
  • Carl Djerassi - mother Austrian Ashkenazi and father Bulgarian Sephardi - no picture available
  • Edmond Safra - Lebanese Sephardi - no picture available
  • Emma Lazarus and Benjamin Cardozo - ok as said above

So, I'm doing a new version with some more people. Then you'll let me know what you think. See you soon. The Ogre (talk) 21:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! And I'm removinc Cecil B. DeMille because of doubts regarding his ethnic affiliation - if there are any doubts then it's best no to present him in the front row of Sephardim....! The Ogre (talk) 21:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also there is Bernard Baruch, Sephardi mother, Ashkenazi father, contemporary figure. Available image is PD.--Ѕandahl 22:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, didn't see you message Ѕandahl! And had already done the new picture, it's the one below and on the article (I changed the previous version in the Commons).
File:Sephardi Jews - mosaic.PNG

It includes:

I hope it's to everyones liking! Cheers! The Ogre (talk) 23:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I miss Paula Abdul--Dr who1975 (talk) 01:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wel... yes, and I do admit there aren't that many women in the ensemble, however I did leave her out because there are some doubts if she is a Shepardi or a Mizrahi, being from Syria she could be either. The Ogre (talk) 02:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have a simple proposal if you are in search for a woman: include Rita Levi-Montalcini, Nobel prize winner for medecine in 1986 and Italian life senator. And please, forget about Paula Abdul. Petruclej (talk) 17:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I welcome the new list and breathe a sigh of relief at the disappearance of Paula Abdul, not because she is Syrian, but her presence among these personalities looks like a joke. Let's put political correctness aside, please. BTW, what about the famous spy, Eli Cohen, Egyptian Jew? After all, many Egyptian Jews are Sephardim (though I hate the difference Sephardi/Mizrahi). Petruclej (talk) 16:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The image of Eli Cohen is non-free like many others.--Ѕandahl 16:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some more proposals:

  • Emilio Segre - physicist, Nobel Prize (1959)
  • Salvador Luria - Italian, microbiologist, Nobel Prize (1969)
  • Rita Levi-Montalcini - Italian, 1986 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
  • Franco Modigliani - Italian, economist, Nobel Prize (1985)
  • Primo Levi - Italian, chemist and author
  • Cesare Lombroso - Italian, criminologist
  • Amedeo Modigliani - Italian, painter
  • Camille Pissarro - French, painter
  • Simon Sebag-Montefiore, British, writer
  • Nissim de Camondo - French, banker, a Paris arts museum is named after him
  • Benedict Mallah - Greek, doctor, French President's Nicolas Sarkozy paternal grandfather

Another proposal: Elias Canetti, Nobel prize winning author (born in Bulgaria)

There is also the intriguing possibility of Theodore Herzl himself having Sephardic roots (http://ha-historion.blogspot.com/2007/04/binyamin-zeev-theodore-herzl-sephardic.html). Petruclej (talk) 14:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I believe you have forgotten Niels Bohr, the authentic father of Quantum Physic and its most important theoric (yes, Bohr was right and Eisntein not). I hope you add soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slavanthropos (talk • contribs) 05:16, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not one mention of the 1066 massacres of Jews in Granada (and others in Spain) by Moslems

That's an interesting "omission" by the Free Encylopedia. J.D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.28.112 (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Language correction: The Sephardim of Istanbul (and those of all the cities of Turkey) do not use Portuguese but Judeo-Spanish, and actually a variety of it that is quite close to Castilian. There were roughly two dialect groups of Judeo-Spanish in the Ottoman empire: In Salonika and some Balkan cities they used a variety that has some features close to Portuguese, like the retention of initial "f" instead of "h", although oterhwise it is Castilian and mutually easily understandable with therest, while in Istanbul and elsewhere in Turkey the phonemes are basically those of 16th century Castilian (except for the s-z which is a complicated matter

"Without walls"'s revisions

1. "Without Walls" keeps inserting a paragraph speculating about Iranian influence on the Jews of Sardis, and claiming that the Sephardim are in fact descended from these. First, this is an article about Spanish Jews, not about the intellectual origins of Judaism in general, so this is completely irrelevant. Secondly, there is absolutely no evidence for this claim of descent, except the name. Yes, it is always possible, as "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". But an encyclopaedia is meant to be about facts that are verifiable; not claims that may or may not be true but about which there is no evidence one way or the other. Nothing is more common in the history of ethnic groups than for a name for one place or tribe to be applied centuries later to a completely different place or tribe for contemporary reasons: that does not imply any link. For example, the Avesta speaks of a tribe "sairima" (Sarmatians), and the Shah Nameh applies the derived name "Salm" to European peoples generally. Is that really evidence that all European peoples are descended from the Sarmatians? Or that the Iberians of Spain are really descended from the Iberians of the Caucasus? Or that the American State of Georgia is populated by Georgians from the Caucasus?

The fact that the name "Sepharad" may have originally referred to Sardis is worth mentioning in itself. But it is already there in an earlier paragraph, on Definition. That is not justification for including a disquisition on the Jews of Sardis (if indeed there were any). Similarly medieval rabbis used "Zarephath" for France, though in the original Biblical context it almost certainly meant "Sarepta" near Sidon. Does that mean that the French Jews are descended from ancient Jewish communities of the Lebanon, or that the article should discuss the influence of ancient Phoenicia on Judaism as a whole?

2. Secondly, he keeps inserting a paragraph on the legislation of Ezra as a precursor to the Visigothic laws against the Jews, and justifies this by pointing out that Christianity is built on Judaism. Again, that is not relevant to the subject of this article, which is about Spanish Jews, not the whole comparative history of the two religions. Also, the analogy is misconceived. The people against whom Ezra was legislating were claiming to be part of the Jewish community, and Ezra was trying to exclude them and impose permanent separation. The Jews in Visigothic Spain had no wish to be Christians, but the legislation was trying forcibly to include them in the Christian community, by banning Jewish practices and placing practising Jews under severe disabilities (including temporary separation) until they conformed. That both sets of legislation included a bar on intermarriage does not affect the fact that the fundamental object was different. Judaism, unlike Christianity, has no mission to convert the heathen.

In short, these insertions are both unsourced and irrelevant, and I shall continue to revert them whenever they are made. --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 09:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jews currently in Portugal

The article says some 500 Jews live currently in Portugal. However, this number is totally at odds with the most recent Portuguese census (2001), where 1773 persons identified themselves as Jews. Note that, according to Portuguese law, the question on religion was not asked to anyone under 15 (which limited it to 84% of the population) and respondents could decline to answer (8% did). This allows us to put the Portuguese Jewish community undoubtly above 2000 people. I wonder if the data presented by the American Jewish Year Book (the source used in this article) is based on Synagogue attendance... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazilion (talk • contribs) 10:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The previous figure (1773) was obtained adding the results from the 7 regional census. A separate document (http://www.ine.pt/ngt_server/attachfileu.jsp?look_parentBoui=380027&att_display=n&att_download=y, page 216) yields a slightly different number (1740), and indicates an estimate for the entire population: a little over 2500. Gazilion (talk) 11:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Correction

There is a significant Jewish population in Serbia also, quite larger than in sorrounding Balkan states. In Belgrade, Novi Sad and Subotica there are more Jews than in FYR Macedonia or Bosnia and Herzegovina. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colossus1167 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sephardim in Morocco

hello, I just changed the figure in the infobox for Sephardim in Morocco from 5,500 to 2-3,000. My reasoning: there are today around 4,000-5,000 Jews in Morocco (the figure might have been 5,500 a decade ago), but not all of them are Sephardic. Sephardim have been always the small but influent upper class of Moroccan Jews, the rest being Arabic-speaking and Berber-speaking Jews, who do not identify as Sephardim. In Israel, the latter are called Mizrahim, and the definition of Sephardim in this article clearly distinguishes both groups (also commonly all western Mizrahim Jews are called Sephardim as opposed to Ashkenazim, but this use is not proposed nor followed in the present WP:article). So, although we do not know, how many of the Jews living in Morocco are Sephardim, it cannot be all of them (although maybe a majority, as mostly lower classes emigrated to Israel). 2-3,000 is of course an OR estimation, but it's not worse than the unsourced 5,500 figure, which cannot refer to Sephardim in the last decade.

The same is true for Tunisia: there cannot be 2,000 Sephardim, if the modern figure for Tunisian Jews is around 1,500 and although there are in fact Sephardim in Tunisia, besides the Mizrahim, any figure is just a guess. Let's put 1,000.

As for Portugal, I put the official estimation given in the Census of Portugal of 2003 suggested by Gazilion (see above). The census number is around 1.700, but an official estimation is added, which gives 2.500. At least one sourced figure!--Ilyacadiz (talk) 18:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


"Sephardim have been always the small but influent upper class of Moroccan Jews" - fallacy. In Israel, most of the Moroccan last names are of Sephardic origin (like Peretz, Suissa, Biton, Toledano, etc). northern Moroccon Jews are purely of Sephardic origin. So I think we should include only the Jews who live in northern Morocco in this article. -- 22:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.37.170 (talk)

Ilyacadiz, I do not agree, this kind of original assertions are being heard from people with very clear racist POV against North African Jews (I'm not blaming you to be one, just trying to explain were these falsely notions usually came from). That is to say, one of the most common same line assertions that are used to excuse why North African Jews are very successful in Europe while they had hard time in Israel is that the "Elite" or North African Jewery immigrated to Europe instead of Israel. This is of course harshly falsely: about 400 thousnds North Africans have immigrated to Europe and 600 thousnds to Israel. Meaning that at the least 40% of North African Jewery have immigrated to Europe. I have never heard on an "elite" group that contain 40% of the population. There is no one single source that can objectively support such groundless assertions.

As for the origin of Maroccan Jews. The Spanish government guided the Spanish Ministry of the Interior that Jews of Northen African origin (besides Egyptian and probably Lybian Jews)have to prove that they lived in Spain 5 years and not 10 to be eligible to a Spanish citizenship. That is, the Spanish authorities consider any Northen African Jew to be descended from Sephardim. Berber Jews are only consist 1-2% of North African Jewery. The reason for which Maroccan Jews from Northen Marocco better preserved Ladino is simply because Northen Marocco is closer to Spain and its non Jewish ethnic composition is different and include many non Arabic inhabitants. In many essences Jewery of North Afirca was established after the explusion of Sephardic Jews (even Lybia Jewery was strongly affected, for instance, the renewer of Halactik life in Lybia was the great Sephardic Rabbincal scholastic and Kabbalist Rabbi Shimon Lavy who was expelled from Spain). Also, genetic research strongly support for no difference between Northen Maroccans and rest Jewery of Marroco. --Gilisa (talk) 12:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

North African Jewry begun since the 1th century AD! Even before that "Sephardim" existed. You can't say that all Jews of North Africa settle after 1492 , when large part of them are descandants of Jews that settled with the Roman, Egyptian and Carthage empire long way before the inquisition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekarfi13 (talk • contribs) 22:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No Nobel winners in the mosaic

I found it a bit bothering that there is not even one Sepharadic Nobel winner in the Mosaic. I think we must change it (let's agree on about adding at least two). Here are few possible suggestions:

1. Baruj Benacerraf
2. Elias Canetti (*)
3. Claude Cohen-Tannoudji
4. Rita Levi-Montalcini
5. Salvador Luria
6. Emilio G. Segrè
7. Franco Modigliani


(*)photo is needed --Gilisa (talk) 10:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No Nobel winners? What's more pressing is why there is just one woman? Chesdovi (talk) 12:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't notice that because I was focused on this issue (in compare to other photoboxes). These both issues are pressing. We should add Rita Levi-Montalcini and another one or two Nobek winners (Claude Cohen-Tannoudji and Baruj Benacerraf are my favorits). Besideds we should include additional 2-3 women. To do that we have to add a line to the Mosaic as I found no one that I want out of it as it's.--Gilisa (talk) 12:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POV

Not that I'm unsympathetic, but isn't a phrase like "The best we can perhaps hope for", used in the article with reference to survival of dialects, against Wikipedia style? - Jmabel | Talk 16:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peru

In Peru most of it's 3000 jews are ashkenazim, not sephardim.--Enkiduk (talk) 17:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

www.sephardim.com

This website is archived by the HARVARD UNIVERSITY LIBRARY SYSTEM. Surnames like Romero have a Sephardic history the Catholic Church notes. cited reference "6a) Reports the names of people who appeared before the inquisition in the New Spain.(~)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.211.138 (talk) 05:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding this whole issue, of the edits forcibly repetead by 75.89.211.138, and 58.105.107.24, and 173.186.34.68, and 174.130.180.132, 3 questions arise:
  1. You insist in inserting the word spanish in the template (Template:Lang-he) making it appear as (Template:Lang-he). This is in direct contradiction with the objectives and general uses of this template. Even if you want to say that ספרדי means Spanish in modern Hebrew, this is not the place to do it, and furthermore ספרדי means "Sephardi", refering to the Jews of or with origin in the whole of the Iberian Peninsula, that, as everyone knows, includes not only Spain, but also Portugal (not to mention Andorra, Gibraltar and French Cerdagne).
  2. For the surname Mena, you use the source Ancestry.com - not a credible source, and one that even you do not defend or mention, since it is a Self-published and questionable source, that only states that "Mena" is "Spanish and Jewish (Sephardic): habitational name from Mena, in Castile and León provinces" (even if, in contradiction, it says that the Top Place of Origin for Mena in the US is Ireland more than Spain).
  3. For the surname Romero, you use the source Sephardim.com,not a credible source but another case of Self-published and questionable sources (that, in any case, does not say these are Sephardi Jewish surnames, but, refering to the sources it presents, say that the "authors of these works have identified the names as being held by Sephardim."), that you claim to be credible because:
    1. "it has Catholic church records, letters and archives about Spehardic Jews by Harry Stein" (And this means what? It is still a self-pulished compilation!).
    2. "is archived by the Harvard University Library System" (This does not mean it is endorsed by Harvard University; that is just the server that lodges this self-pulished and non-peer-reviewed research!).
Furthermore, regarding the surmames, the fact that they may have been used by some Sephardi Jews does not make them Sephardi surnames! If it was so, you would have to consider "Sephardic pedigrees" (or any other Jewish pedigree) any surname ever used by a Jew. This sections refers to surnames or lineages that are specifically Sephardi (that is why one finds a link to De Castro family (Sephardi Jewish), even if "Castro is not in origin Jewish but an Iberian Christian name, adopted by some Portuguese and Spanish Jews after the forced conversions of the late 15th and early 16th centuries", as it says in the article). You see, after the forced conversions most Jews in Iberia adopted Iberian Christian names. This does not make this names Jewish, unless they refer to a specific and identifiable lineage or family. Otherwise, you would have to consider the huge majority of Portuguese, Catalan and Castilian surnames as Sephardi.
So, please, stop pushing your unsourced POV, or else be considered a vandal. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 18:11, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Mena, I never added, so please stop making things up. Sephardim.com is very credible because Harvard archives it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.211.138 (talk) 02:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well... you did, as can be seen, for example, in this diff. And you are not presenting a case for your reasons. Re-stating the same arguments after they've been debunked won't get far. The Ogre (talk) 10:20, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I've searched for "sephardim.com" in ALL the Harvard University sites (see here), and it did not match any documents (even when the search covers "web pages that have not been approved by Harvard and do not represent the views of Harvard."). The Ogre (talk) 10:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You know, I don't think you did any researching. You claim to know many things, while against Wiki rules, you delete postings by claiming they are not factual. You have not debunked anything, but display contentious arguments from your opinions as if they are factual. This is no way to behave. This isn't the only wiki page you have deleted items even when one cites information. You should familiarise yourself with the Wiki rules. Let us see what they say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.18.92.18 (talk) 21:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have contacted Harry Stein the creator of www.sephardim.com. Let him answer your comments about his website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.17.175.136 (talk) 05:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Advertising?

I took the following sentence off from the section on Medical Genetics:

"See also Jewish Genetics Center about testing."

Looked like an advertisement for some Non-Profit in Chicago. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

PhnxFyreG (talk) 03:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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