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REMOVAL OF THE CARTOONS

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It is requested that the cartoons of our holy prophet(saw) should be removed, they are highly objectionable to all the muslims around the world. The outcry of muslims have already been seen by the whole world. So it is requested that the cartoons should be removed from wikipedia and the controversy should be put to an end. It is not right to insult some one's prophet like this. Imagine what would have happened had the cartoons been of jesus and moses instead of Hazrat Muhammad(saw). Administrators should think about it and remove the cartoons as fast as possible. --Me umar 91 (talk) 08:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the largest reason why the cartoons are going to stay is exactly your point. Satirical cartoons of jesus, moses etc... are printed all of the time and they are the subject of jokes on a regular basis. One religion does not get special treatment over another when it comes to criticism.Nefariousski (talk) 00:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The decision to show the cartoons is the result of one of the longest discussions in Wikipedia's history, and is archived on this talk page. From a purely personal point of view, I think that the cartoons are unfunny and possibly misguided in their intentions. However, there are worse things happening in today's world than some rather lame cartoons, so it is better for people to see them and make up their own minds.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:49, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anything would happen, if it was Jesus or Moses that was depicted. At least in Danish media, Jesus is often used in satire and as an object of satire. There is rarely any reaction at all. But check the discussion as ianmacm points to.--Nwinther (talk) 11:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am a non-religious American. I think the display of the cartoons is in bad taste. They could be moved lower on the page, or they could be hidden with an option to show them. I see no reason for them to be shown at the top and by default. It seems completely unnecessary. I think that the minorities views are of major importance when the majorities emotions on the subject are minor. :)

75.39.143.25 (talk) 02:46, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am a non-religious Dane. Since when has freedom of speech become a minor sentiment? I fully accept that a minority have a ban on certain depictions. The rest of us are not bound by that ban, but of course be common decency. Of course, the cartoons are not depictions of Muhammed (how could they be?), but SOME of them are expressions of prejudice, negative stereotypes etc. I think the original commisioning and publication of these cartoons was a stupid provocation for the sake of provocation, but reporting the controversy without showing the drawings would be strange indeed.--Noe (talk) 08:25, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did I read that IP's post correctly? No reason to be shown at the top of the page? I think you forgot to add 'except, of course, that they're the subject of the article'!!. WP not censored. RaseaC (talk) 15:15, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't there a better image tagging for hiding it, for those that don't want to be exposed to it?

  • The way that is currently suggested to hide this image using the very basic CSS code in the user profile is not very satisfying. Notably because:
    1. it is not enforced on all pages using the same image : each page would first need to be updated to include a "span" or "div" element with the HTML or XML id attribute equal to "mi".
    2. the code suggested is not large enough to qualify all uses of similar images, this can just hide one of the images displayed on this page, but not all the images, and not all parts of the page that would be equally offensive for similar persons for the same reason (because there cannot be two distinct elements in the same page sharing the same id value.
    3. the CSS selector used ("#mi") is too broad as it will affect any page that just appears to have any unrelated element that uses the same very short ID (it could happen for example in a page using section titles just limited to this couple of letters, for example an index, or the latin name of the musical note mi, or the name of a plant, or a list of lexical prefixes...)
    ♠ Isn't there any way to insert, within the description page of an image, some tags that will be imported automatically with the image, on all wikis where it will be imported, and using a system similar to P3P content rating systems (related to pornography, violence, tobacco and drugs...) and that could easily be supported by browsers?
  • I also suggest using CSS classes, instead of ids, for tagging contents, if this is still performed the way it is suggested (within the pages including the image itself), but if a content rating system is adopted, it should better be part of the HTTP meta-data headers that would be generated from all requests to the same image or related pages qualified with the same content rating tags, without having to modify the pages including or referencing these contents.
  • A standard for possible content rating tags should be defined or developed and maintained by the communauty, with at least the content tags that are already standardized within some widely deployed content rating systems (notably those for protecting children).
  • Note after all that we are already tagging images with permission tags (to comply with copyright laws). It is already complicate to enforce, but at least there are laws to guide us. However, content rating is more difficult as it may be very suggestive (but in this case, there are also laws in some countries where the sharia is guiding the law, and I don't see why an islamic law would be less respectable than a copyright law, for a muslem people living in such country).
  • Also I am NOT requesting the removal of the image. But at least, people must not be exposed to legal risks, just because they are visiting our sites. Note that they may fall on this page without knowing that they would be exposed to its content, by just following a disguised link from another sote. They must still be able to view the content after knowing what are their legal risks. Then it's up to their reponsability if they choose to ignore the displayed warning and still execute some action to bypass the content rating system.

Note that I am not personnally disturbed by these images. But I still think and understand that some people are shocked and that they also need respect of their opinion, otherwise they will simply tag the WHOLE MediaWiki sites as being offensive and will block it completely, including most of the rest that would be beneficial for them. Note that, as soon as such content rating system would be introduced, there will also be the danger of possible conflicts because of different content rating labels. Such conficts can and should still be solved the same way as other edit conflicts that already occur on this page (and if a content is blocked due to the content rating system, there should still be some alternative content displayed or rendered that explicitly informs the user that some content was not rendered as it breaks a clearly identified content rating tag). Thanks for taking this into consideration. verdy_p (talk) 05:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.139.18.39 (talk) [reply]

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