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Conspiracy Theories

I have a special interest in conspiracy theories and the behavior of crowds. To date, I know of no proven conspiracy theories - that is a theory of a conspiracy that later revealed itself to be true (faked moon landing, etc.). Jettparmer (talk) 20:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

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Done Jettparmer (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

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Statement on Ken McCarthy

The Ken McCarthy article has generated a lot of discussion. I have been accused of having a personal vendetta and maligning him as a purveyor of conspiracy theories. Frankly, Ken came to my attention after receiving a slew of e-mails linked to his BrasscheckTV site. This site promotes alternative media and the majority of the videos would qualify as conspiracy theories. This site is owned and operated by him, as he attested to in a July 9, 2008 interview on Alterati.com. He is also an internet marketing advocate, having been involved with this since his early days. However, a serious biographer would not be able to escape the overwhelming evidence pointing to his first passion - activism and alternative media. In a letter he writes to the Princeton university radio station, regarding his time there, he maintains a fascination for providing "what is unavailable' via the mainstream. I am perplexed by the vigorous denials of some editors regarding these facts. Jettparmer (talk) 15:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I will provide a more detailed response to some of the specific points on the discussion at talk:Ken McCarthy, but please take a look at whether you are confusing fact and opinion. Much of what is stated in the above paragraph is your personal opinion, to which of course you are entitled. However wikipedia is not a forum for propagating personal opinions. Please take a little time to familiarise yourself with the policies on what Wikipedia is not, neutral point of view, verifiability, reliable sources and biography of living persons. There is no doubt that he "maintains a fascination for providing 'what is unavailable' via the mainstream", but that is not the same thing at all as "promoting conspiracy theories", except of course to those who regard Fox News and the Murdoch press as providing a full and honest account of current affairs. Neither should undue weight be given to something which is demonstrably a very tiny portion of his activity. DaveApter (talk) 09:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I would be interested in discussing what you consider opinion. I think the BrasscheckTV site is significant and clearly promotes some conspiracy theories. The site is wholly owned and operated by McCarthy. It is his work alone (not unlike the Drudgereport. I look forward to improving the article or recommending a removal Jettparmer (talk) 05:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Opinion is what someone thinks, and fact is what is an objectively verifiable state of affairs. More to the point for Wikipedia purposes, facts are what can be verified from reliable sources. Let's look at what we can agree on:

1.The site is wholly owned... by McCarthy agreed probably.

2. The site is wholly.. operated by McCarthy ?? Who knows?

3. BrasscheckTV site is significant. ?? well maybe - significant to whom? and on what evidence?

4. BrasscheckTV site... clearly promotes some conspiracy theories. I don't know. I didn't even know about these sites until you flagged them up on Wikipedia. I had a look round both of them and didn't find anything that I would call a conspiracy theory. Can you point me to an example? Even if we agree on this, it might not qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia unless some reliable source has said so.

Does this help? DaveApter (talk) 19:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Quickly to your suggestion, it's sound. 1 - Concur, 2 - He states in the Alterati interview he owns and operates both sites. 3 - BrasscheckTV results in 84k returns on google, slightly less than "system seminar". Separating Brasscheck and TV returns even more. I would place that as significant. A quick comparisonon Alexa places BrasscheckTV orders of magnitude over either Ken's site or the Systemsemiknar site. 4 - Planes were make believe. If the simple heading is not sufficient evidence of conspiracy theory promotion, I am not sure what it. It is the first element I came across in the largest topic. Jettparmer (talk) 23:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

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Greg Caton

Your expansion of this article appears to have created some BLP issues, the article was brought up at the WP:BLPN abd has been trimmed of the issues, feel free to discuss your additions at the BLP noticeboard thread. Please don't re add similar weakly cited controversial content without support, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 00:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

My additions for Greg Caton's article were from the available web resources. Some of these were clearly less reliable than others. I have no issue with the edits as listed. Jettparmer (talk) 16:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

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