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Introduction

"food patriotism"? That sounds a bit fishy.

Merging Local food and Food miles

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The consensus on this merger was Oppose, discussion closed 23 November 2007 - Jeremy (Jerem43 (talk) 20:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I oppose this merge. Food Miles is worthy of its own article as the term "food miles" was coined as a phrase by Prof Tim Lang. Michael Targett 16:58, 17 May 2006

I oppose this merge. It is appropriate to have the two seperate articles. A Main article: Food miles note can be put under the "Transport distance" heading along with a brief overview of the topic on the Local food article. Alan Liefting 05:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose to this merge. It is extremely appropriate to have two separate articles.

I also oppose completely merging the two articles, but belive a note linking the two would be good.

I oppose this merge. I added some text linking the two concepts, more could be done. sbandrews 18:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose this merge. food miles is enough of a phenomenon to have its own article. I also suggest that the merge template be removed now. --Nin 07:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

fairly concive opposition, removed merge template sbandrews 13:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge proposal

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The consensus on this proposal was merge

It has been suggested that the article Locavore be merged into the article Local food, please discussion here - Jeremy (Jerem43 (talk) 20:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Proposal made on 3 November 2007

I oppose this merge. The phrase Locavore has its own definition and implications and should be treated as a separate but related term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.45.156 (talk) 06:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I support this move. Locavore is certainly a phenomenon within local food and according to the article page it only has a definition... not worth having its own page. --Ryandwayne 15:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I can't think of much material that could be added to Locavore that wouldn't duplicate material in this article. If you can then go ahead and add it and I'll reconsider.--TexasDex 19:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose this merge. It is the word of the year! http://blog.oup.com/2007/11/locavore/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.182.77.130 (talk) 17:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose this merge. These are emerging trends that are linked but not the same thing and we need to keep an eye on them all as they take us in different directions for food policy and food security, also an important growing areas.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.34.4 talk) 18:49, 23 November 2007

Support word of the year or not, it is a term used to describe a patron of local food, and should be included in the article as such. - Jeremy (Jerem43 (talk) 20:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Support, locavore is really just a definition, that could actually be placed in the Wiktionary and then the info merged into local food with a re-direct. It is unlikely that locavore would expand much past a one paragraph definition on its own.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 02:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the merger. Locavore has just been made Oxford Word of the Year. That seems enough to give it its own article. I don't think many people are going to come to Wikipedia to look up local food. But I think many may come to look up locavore. When I first read the word two months ago and then Googled it, I was very pleased to see the Wiki article up top, and clicked on that immediately, and was able to send the article to my brother who is teaching a sustainability course to college students. I think to merge the word into the much more dull-sounding "local food" article would be a disservice to Wiki readers. By the way, I'm neither for nor against the local foodists. I just think this word/trend is growing and warrants an article of its own, however small. I think having a "See also: Local Food" is linkage enough. Thanks all! Softlavender (talk) 00:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: I'd also like to point out that having the Locavore article helps preserve the correct spelling of the word, as opposed to the bastardization "localvore." Prentice, in coining the word, was apparently very careful to avoid that ugly-sounding option: http://blog.oup.com/2007/11/prentice/. Softlavender (talk) 03:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CommentHowever, Wikipedia is an Encycolpedia, not a dictionary. Locavore is the "word" of the year, and as such is only a word to be defined.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 04:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge and redirect locavore (and localvore, ugly though it is) to here. Explain the locavore term in this article. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I Support this merge. Locavore is hardly more than slang used to compress the sentence 'I only eat local food' and convey it. There is hardly any history to it, it bears no cultural difference, aside from spending longer at the grocery store, and it's usage strictly covers food. Unlike a religion, it requires very little aside from reading labels. Merge it, and leave the dictionary to define it. Dasai Montale (talk) 02:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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"Return to the Past" conservatism under the disguise of sustainability?

I remember somewhere popular social commentaries judge the local food movement as a fundamentally conservative movement, even though it is done in the name of ecological reasons. Basically their take is that local foods dictate we go back to old-fashioned traditional styles of cooking of the forefathers, and the absence of availability of many spices etc will spell the demise of ethnic cuisines. A New Zealand-based writer recently wrote the movement as analogous to "back to the future" that in the 1930s, the local simple food eaten were driven by necessity (it was the depression-era), and the local simple food circa 2008 is a lifestyle choice made by a spoiled and bored upper/upper-middle class brought up with the abundance of aplenty. --JNZ (talk) 02:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also very few supporters seem to really support the movement per se to its logical end, spelling the end of . For example, Stefano Manfredi from Australia, a supporter of the local food movement and oppose importing cherries from the US to Australia off-season, would not suggest Australia ditch eating rice because Australia's dry weather makes growing rice ecologically disastrous in consequence and the food miles associated with importing Arborio rice from Italy - lest this means he cannot cook his beloved risotto dishes anymore in Australia. --JNZ (talk) 02:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

from what i have read, people take this concept and apply it in different ways, so many of them, even those who have strong feelings about eating what is local, may add spices or may add sugar or may add some other thing(s) from distant shores . . . there is no book of rules, and each is free to find his or her way . . . - it is true that some of us have 'high class problems' in this day and age where i live . . . San Francisco Bay Area - it may also be true that this movement may in the future be helpful in some way to some people who have problems not so amenable to solution by excluding foods - the planet is fragile - i am not a 'locavore' or 'localvore' either one, but find the concept very interesting - i do hope that people who google it will go right to it in Wikipedia . . . 'local food movement' does not have the 'buzz' the way the one-word version for the adherent thereto has . . . - sometimes the history of a word is interesting enough to talk about . . . that is not quite like giving a definition, as a dictionary would (i love it that we are talking about this - and i remember war years of the 40s . . . eating what my uncle gave us from his farm and garden near Kansas City, sharing rationing stamps if we wanted sugar or gasoline, getting eggs from the chickens in our back yard . . . my father was not farming as he was overseas, and i didn't even know him, being very young then - still those were very good years and the food was great!) - b betswiki (talk) 22:34, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Local Economy POV

The Local Economy section does not mention the POV of any critics. The Economist, for example, has apparently argued that the local food movement is partially driven by economic protectionism. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/12/the_economist_o_1.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.212.58 (talk) 03:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of Local

I deleted the claim that "However, more recently USDA has acted to suggest that 400 miles is the actual maximum distance under which local can be reasonably or ethically defined." Research shows that neither the USDA nor any other government authority has adopted any such definition. The erroroneous claim may have arisen from a mis-interpretation of a conference in June, 2009, at which various defintions were discussed. See [1] for more information. Oconnell usa (talk) 03:23, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Locavore POV

"Locally grown food is an environmentally friendly means of obtaining food, since supermarkets that import their food use more fossil fuels and non-renewable resources" - well, do they? --Palnatoke (talk) 09:30, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Localvore" wasn't started by jesicca whozagambit in California . THE WORD ITSELF WAS COINED IN THE MAD RIVER VALLEY IN THE GREAT STATE OF VERMONT!!! 64.222.110.145 (talk) 19:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Localvore, not "Locavore"

The correct term is "Localvore"a portmanteau of "local" and the suffix "-vore", derived from the Latin "Vorare", meaning to "devour", "Locavore" is a common misspelling, however literally it means "to devour that which is crazy". I have edited the article to reflect this. ,See http://www.vermontlocalvore.org, and http://bostonlocalvores.org/, as well as http://www.thedailygreen.com/living-green/definitions/Localvores-Localtarians/64.222.110.145 (talk) 17:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]