Talk:Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories

Law passed

 Done Tarc (talk) 13:33, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Someone update-128.119.51.64 (talk) 09:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Now gone

The theory that Mombasa was part of Zanzibar has now gone. It was attacked by me some time ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.30.71.244 (talk) 15:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC) See my remarks of 28/8/2009, in Archive 9. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.30.71.244 (talk) 15:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

DISPUTE - Campaigners and proponents

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This apparent reversal prompted MSNBC's Keith Olbermann to declare WND's Joseph Farah to be his "Worst Person in the World" for January 5, 2009. Farah asserted in July 2009 that "I have never challenged the certification of live birth as a forgery."

I take issue with both the accuracy of the Olbermann allegations and their inclusion in this section and have commenced discussion of this edit within the WorldNetDaily article "talk". Comments of interested editors are both solicited and welcome within that discussion. JakeInJoisey (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

The Obama website graphic is a scan of the same document from the Factcheck.org website. They are the exact same documents. The only difference is that the Obama and DailyKos versions are scans, while Factcheck.org presents digital pictures of the document. This all seems like circular logic debating a distinction without a difference.(re-posted from WND talk) Dave Dial (talk) 19:24, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Birthers

I boldfaced "birthers" in section 0, following WP:R#PLA:

After following a redirect, the reader's first question is likely to be: "hang on ... I wanted to read about [birthers]. Why has the link taken me to [Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories]?". Make it clear to the reader that they have arrived in the right place.

"Birther" is (aqain quoting WP:R) a redirect other than mis-spellings or other obvious close variants of the article title. User:Tarc reverted, commenting No, the term would not be bolded in this case. Why not? --The very model of a minor general (talk) 21:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

It seems to me it would be better to use {{Redirect3|Birther}} or something like {{Redirect3|Birther|This is a common term used to refer to a person who subscribes to a conspiracy theory about the citizenship of Barack Obama}}. Better still, I think, would be to have Birther redirect to Birther movement (which currently redirects here) and to have that article be a soft redirect to this article, a stub about the so-called "Birther movement", or a full-blown article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

As an alternate name used in a redirect, it probably should be bolded; my initial reaction to the original edit applying bold-face was that it appeared too late in the lead to be particularly useful, and so distracted more than it helped. I would change the first sentence to something like:

Conspiracy theories about the citizenship of Barack Obama, proponents of which are often known as "birthers", are ideas that reject the legitimacy of President Obama's citizenship and his eligibility to be President of the United States.

and then reduce the later existing sentence to:

The term "birthers" parallels the nickname "truthers" for adherents of 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Fat&Happy (talk) 23:46, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Manning's "trial"

The "trial" being conducted by James David Manning has received some media attention. Include? --Weazie (talk) 19:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

(This is primarily for Furtive admirer.) What Manning conducted was in no way a "sanctioned" trial. There are no such legal creatures as a "10th Amendment trial" or "citizen jury trial." I think Manning's dog-and-pony show does merit inclusion, but we're limited to WP:RS. --Weazie (talk) 15:14, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree that a brief (1-2 sentence) mention should be included, sourced to reliable sources, but only if we can find some sources that link this to the broader birther phenomenon. Otherwise this article lists becoming a list of unrelated events rather than an article about a single phenomenon. Please note that Furtive Admirer is indefinitely blocked at this point. - Wikidemon (talk) 15:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I haven't paid much attention to the current Manning claims, although I have watched the videos he released during the 2008 campaigns(primary and general) with some amusement, but do not remember Manning making claims that Obama was not born in Hawaii. If he is/was making those claims, then perhaps a mention from a reliable source may be appropriate. Of course, the claims I've heard previously have not met much notability because they were so outrageous reliable sources have not taken them seriously. So it may be hard to include such fringe claims because of undue weight or even because it has nothing to do with the current topic. One thing is for sure, the portion that Furtive admirer was adding was way off base. Dave Dial (talk) 15:43, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

There's this reportage from Salon.[1][2] It's the only reliable source I could find on the subject. - Wikidemon (talk) 16:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

That's just bizarre. I can't even find the words to comment on that. Dave Dial (talk) 17:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

more birthers

Something should mention that there were and are conspiracy theories about john McCain 's birth too. What is good for the goose. ...