Talk:Diablo Cody

Link to "Candy Girl"

If someone wants to add links to her book on amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Candy-Girl-Year-Unlikely-Stripper/dp/1592401821
and on Barnes & Noble: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Candy-Girl/Diablo-Cody/e/9780641891557/?itm=1

I read the book before Juno, not that it matters, just to mention that I'm not a fanboy. It's ok; easy to read, entertaining, definately adult. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.96.185 (talk) 23:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Subject-Created Entry, Much?

This just reeks of the self-adulation that typifies self-created (or acquaintance-created) Wikipedia entries, both of which are against Wikipedia guidelines. Moreover, for a one-time screenwriter, this entry is WAY too long. Far too many plaudits and details for someone with relatively few achievements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.14.255.146 (talk) 00:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, 69.14.255.14! Looks like you're from Michigan. Cool! But it appears you're just another internet coward, and one sickeningly jealous of those doing better than themselves. Wow. But you know what? I guess Brook showed YOU, didn't she? You must feel really stupid now. I would. And I do hope her many MONSTER success have pained you (and her other detractors) tremendously. Have you lost sleep, biting and scratching yourself in utter jealousy? LOL! So, 69.14.255.14: How's it feel to be nothing more than a nay-saying, spineless sniper? Waste of life, much? LOL! Kisses! JealousMuchQMark (talk) 08:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I can't speak for who created the initial entry, whether it was Cody or one of her acquaintances or not. However, the combination of her unusual (and well-documented) origins and the acclaim and actual plaudits (Golden Globe nod, several critics awards, etc.) her first screenplay have garnered justify the existence and the breath of her entry. Facts are facts. --3finger (talk) 18:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Agree with 3finger. she's a very successful writer- three scripts taken up, one produced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.127.175 (talk) 15:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I think Cody's Oscar nomination should officially close this subject. I don't know the criteria that go into that decision, but when you're up for the biggest award in the industry, 'nuff said.--3finger (talk) 15:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Isn't the photo of her at the Academy Awards copyrighted? I am going to attempt to remove it. --anon. 70.23.158.96 (talk) 02:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Scripts?

She's sold scripts to studios, and she wrote a pilot for a sitcom. Why mention these things? Scripts are sold all the time, and pilots are churned out with alarming regularity. Nine times out of ten, these scripts and pilots never go anywhere. It's worthless to put in the article. There's no way to know those projects will ever succeed, and listing them is frankly just silly, and shameless promotion to make this flavor-of-the-month blogger/fledgling screenwriter seem like a force to be reckoned with. Howa0082 (talk) 05:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey Howa0082: Guess ol' Brook showed YOU, didn't she?! LOL! I love it! JealousMuchQMark (talk) 08:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I fail to see how this is "silly, shameless promotion". She has only produced one screenplay that was made into a film and it is not uncommon to note future works. These projects are cited and are therefore verifiable; it is not like they are rumors. Besides, this "flavor-of-the-month blogger/fledgling screenwriter" has been nominated for and might possibly win an Academy Award. I agree with their being mentioned as notable. María (habla conmigo) 12:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not notable. Screenwriters sell scripts everyday. Very few ever get made. I think if those scripts she sold go into production, then it's appropriate to mention them. But just to say she sold some scripts to some studios is a worthless, misleading statement. Here's an improvement; wikify to Jennifer's Body, mentioning that it's in production starting this month. Retitle that section, perhaps, from "screenwriting" to something more appropriate and less misleading. The other two scripts she either wrote or rewrote are not in pre-production. They're not even listed on IMDB. There's no references for Burlesque or Girly Style, so all intents and purposes, they do not exist. Howa0082 (talk) 19:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I've added a couple additional sources to the article, thanks. The problem with beginning articles based on films that have not begun production is that it's seen as violating WP:CRYSTAL. There is nothing wrong with mentioning written scripts as they pertain to the author, however, especially since Cody's work is receiving so much press notice since the success of Juno. If the films are not made, then the article can be updated to include this fact, or omit any mention of them at all. That's the thing about an online encyclopedia; it's a fluid thing. I stick to my opinion that these are noteworthy, however; the press certainly seems to think so. María (habla conmigo) 20:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Id like to know how she all of a sudden unsolicited was able to sell a script or have anyone in hollywood read her screenplay for that matter. If you dont have an agent that has any pull people in hollywood are inundated with scripts all the time they just throw out or dont get around to reading and thrown out. Why her? How did she get heard/read?

This is explained in the article; her manager, Novick, suggested after she wrote her memoir that she try a screenplay. I'm guessing that her manager was the one who was able to bring the script to Hollywood, which is how it usually works. María (habla conmigo) 13:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Oscar Shoes

Thoughts on adding something about the Oscar shoes? 165.189.169.190 (talk) 14:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Current marital status

I found three references (and counting) on her MySpace blog to her divorce from Jonny Hunt. (I submitted an edit to this talk page with links but it was wiped out by the spam filter... GRRRRR!) I say it's time to indicate that her real name is just Brook Busey.
For what it's worth, here is a Daily Mail article that mentions her divorce. --anon. 70.23.164.117 (talk) 18:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

A good thing to look into, though we should remember that not all women change their names once they're divorced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.142.216 (talk) 23:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Recent articles about her do give her real name as just Brook Busey, however. I included the URL of one in my Edit summary when I changed the birth name listed for her in the infobox. --anon. 70.23.176.56 (talk) 06:10, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of birth name, is it reasonable to assume, in the absence of information to the contrary, that her birth name is the same as her pre- and post-marriage real name? This is a question applicable to all biographical articles. --anon. 70.23.176.56 (talk) 06:10, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Choice of pen name

In an entry on her MySpace blog dated January 16, 2008, she quotes her ex-husband explaining that Diablo was inspired by the song "El Diablo" by Arcadia. --anon. 70.23.164.117 (talk) 18:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Twitter?

Is it a good idea to link diablocody on Twitter? --TIB (talk) 06:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Catholic

Is Diablo Cody actually Catholic? The citation suggests her Catholic roots but she could have very well left the faith. It's not very specific. Should this be re-phrased? Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Image placement

Regarding this edit. I'd rather have the "classic" image in the infobox, and the more recent one in the bottom section. That way, readers are introduced to Cody as she is visually best known, and as they read forward chronologically in her biography, see the more recent development.  Skomorokh  08:51, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

See for example the article Brigitte Bardot.  Skomorokh  08:24, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal Private life and marriage to Jonny Hunt

A user (71.5.110.146) has now removed information on Cody's previous marriage three times. While they initially gave no reason they now have claim that section is untrue, but fail to give proof that it is untrue. Additionally, they have claimed that Hunt is not a public figure and wishes to not be mentioned, again with no proof. While hunt is relatively unknown this, unfortunately, ignores wikipedia's policy for those people who are relatively unknown which clearly states that they can be mentioned as long as "only material relevant to their notability" is used.

Hunt is clearly relevant to Cody since they were married and because Cody had a tattoo referencing him. Therefore I have replaced the section and removed information which is not relevant to Cody or Hunt. Please discuss here before removing again. -Ektar (talk) 00:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

This is Jon Hunt himself speaking. The part that is untrue is the portion that suggests that I "left my wife" for Cody, which your initial addition stated. That might be what it said in that article, but it's absolutely, provably untrue, and potentially damaging to my reputation. As I stated, I am not a public figure, and I have to work for a living among non-famous people. I would prefer my name left out of the article about Cody entirely, as I do not wish to be associated with her any further, but if it's so important to you to have this section in there, either to damage my reputation or hers, please at least be courteous enough to leave out information that's blatantly untrue. FYI, just because an article states something does not mean it's true -- the author of that article never spoke to me, and I've never once been consulted about my relationship with Cody. I don't know what kind of "proof" would suit you regarding truthfulness or untruthfulness, but if personal testimony is trumped by an article containing untruths, I don't know what I can do about it. 10:44, Jon Hunt 29 September 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.5.110.146 (talk) 15:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Reading the Daily Mail reference, I'm struck by the gossipy nature of it. All information is sourced, basically, to an ex-wife. In my opinion, this is not solid enough for a WP:BLP source, especially if the affected person is complaining. Please get consensus to include this before re-adding. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

If you are Mr. Hunt, know that we include personal life information about the marriages of celebrities and other such famous people; whether you are a public figure or not does not matter. Hunt is relevant to Cody's life and should be mentioned; even though not known of by most people, Hunt will always be associated with Cody. However, as you have stated, the information should be accurate. Since you say that you are Hunt and that part of the information is untrue, I say we should assume good faith and leave the untrue part out. We should also find a different reference about the marriage, since this one is accused of being tainted. Flyer22 (talk) 20:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Well lessee what locatable about Mr. Hunt in the context of Ms. Cody:

• Minneapolis Star-Tribune article
• Pantagraph article (originally from Star-Tribune by the looks)
• Minneapolis-St Paul magazine (the intro text)
• Denver Post

Plus there's the sources in the original paragraph, and probably whatever is mentioned in her book. Surely we can fashion something that suits the task from all that... Tabercil (talk) 03:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, surely we can, Tabercil. Flyer22 (talk) 03:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I won't be adding any information about Mr. Hunt myself; he doesn't want it there, and I respect that. I won't stand in the way of others doing so, as it is certainly within the policies we have now, so I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I just ask that (a) sources be reliable (i.e. no gossip pages), and (b) only include information relevant to Diablo Cody. Mr. Hunt's private life before or after his marriage to Diablo Cody, whether in reliable sources or not, is not appropriate for this article. It sounds like the IP editor claiming to be Mr. Hunt would not argue with that either, so it's possible we're all more or less in agreement. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The only information about Hunt's private life before his marriage to Cody that would most certainly be fine to mention is how they met or the previous line (of the previous Personal life entry) "Prior to moving to Minneapolis, Cody began a relationship with Jonny Hunt." Flyer22 (talk) 08:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, I was a tad inaccurate in my wording, looks like you understood what I meant. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

If we stick with the list of articles provided by Tabercil, which I assume most people agree are reliable sources, we will miss fairly important information such as date and location of her marriage and a definite date of divorce. However, I think some information is better than no information, especially since the limited information explains her previous name and her changed tattoo. Accordingly, I would recommend the following text:

In December 2007, Cody and then-husband Jonny Hunt announced the end of their marriage. Prior to the announcement, Cody had a tattoo on her right arm altered to cover the words "Jonny's Girl" with roses.

How does that sound to everyone? -Ektar (talk) 19:28, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Sounds okay to me... mind you, if we could nail down the date the marriage took place it'd be better. The best source I can find online for the marriage is this [Daily Mail] article - you know, the one pulled out by Floquenbeam?... Anyone else have any better luck hunting for a source?? Now, I notice Cody's book came out in 2005, after her marriage occured. Has anyone here read it? If so, is the marriage mentioned in it? My local library doesn't have it and I don't care to spend the $$$ buying it... Tabercil (talk) 00:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Ektar's proposed text...but I also agree that noting the date and location of her marriage and a definite date of divorce would be better. Flyer22 (talk) 03:14, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Comments on the above by xblkx

I own it and have read it more than once. If I may give my opinion here on a few things. First, I am inclined to agree, regardless of whether the above person is Jon Hunt or not (though I have no reason to challenge its veracity), that any and all information in this article needs to be relevant to the article's subject only. Mr. Hunt has a blog of his own and he has, for example, stated that he and DC parted friends and it isn't hard to establish when or to its effects on him (my having shared a similar experience...), and this personal information exists on the internet for those who wish to find it, but neither it, nor the dates of their marriage/divorce IMHO is encyclopedic in nature and therefore has no place here.... if someone has a statement to make that they feel IS encyclopedic and relevant to the article subject, they may propose it (or just add it). And if it isn't, some of us will delete it in compliance to WP:BLP. I will further clarify this point, that here we have an article about a subject who has been a writer and a stripper and won an Academy Award for her first screenplay. Unless someone has a specific point to make within the encyclopedic content of this article AND has a reliable source for it (see WP:RS), I agree that it should not be included because if you compare the relevance... I think everyone reading a Diablo Cody article "gets it" enough to know what I mean. Personally I don't think that a discussion about DC's tattoo and its subsequent modification, other than what she has personally said about body modification, belongs in this article (I disagree with Ektar here. Ektar stated "Hunt is clearly relevant to Cody since they were married and because Cody had a tattoo referencing him." but I'm trying to understand how that fits into this article -- willing to listen, certainly, and I did leave it in the infobox after fixing the typo).

Some of you have asked about the book. Agreed, the book shows a photo of her with original tattoo on the dust jacket. The first printing is January 2006. The jacket says "She lives in Minneapolis with her husband." On page 2, she writes, "In January 2003, when I was twenty-four and punch-drunk on city life, I moved to Minneapolis from my hometown of Chicago. Like many millennial lonely hearts, I had met my boyfriend Jonny on the World Wide Waste of Time...". Yes, they met online and then she moved. That's all. The book does mention "his estranged wife", many things they had in common, his extraordinary support of Diablo's choices, his idealism, and on page 211 that they got married (the book also concludes with DC at age 24 so for me that's settled too). But this is for the readers (and it's available to read online on Amazon btw) and not for a Wikipedia article on DC. And just for the record -- there is NOTHING, no indication in any way, shape, or form, that Jon Hunt left his ex-w for DC. That is the material of tabloids (and I think the Daily Mail is a scandal sheet...), not of Diablo Cody, and not of Wikipedia. No matter *who* challenged that allegation citing WP:RS, Jon Hunt or someone impersonating him, I agree -- it's tabloid material, unreliable, potentially damaging, and not acceptable in this article. Thank you, to those who have excised that material (Flyer22 et. al.). And does anyone here, who like me and wants the *opposite* of anyone's reputation damaged, have a solid argument for why a mention of Mr. Hunt's divorce is relevant to this article's subject? I move to exclude (for no other reason than on the grounds that it isn't relevant to the subject). If anything, I would rather have a statement (from CG) about what it meant to her that he supported her choices, and the he did the "Slammin', cutting-edge design" on Pussy Ranch (thank Google for archive.org), because from what I read in her book, THOSE are things that really did matter. Xblkx (talk) 01:31, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

• "this personal information exists on the internet for those who wish to find it, but neither it, nor the dates of their marriage/divorce IMHO is encyclopedic in nature and therefore has no place here."*

What "has a place" in wikipedia is not determined by whether or not the information is available elsewhere on the the internet. Besides, do you honestly believe that a public figure's marriage and divorce is not of an encyclopedic nature? So, for you, what exactly falls under your definition of "encyclopedic in nature"? Only those things directly related to what made them famous? If that's the case then practically no wikipedia biographical article would mention a birthdate, birthplace, family, etc. Sorry, but I'm fairly certain you won't find a wikipedia policy which states that marriage and divorce information does not belong on wikipedia.

• "I don't think that a discussion about DC's tattoo and its subsequent modification, other than what she has personally said about body modification, belongs in this article"*

First thing, it's not a "discussion", it's an explanation of why she no longer has a tattoo with her ex-husband's name on her arm. Second, can you please explain what wikipedia policy makes you believe this? Remember what "belongs" and doesn't "belong" on wikipedia isn't established by the whims of editors. Somewhat obviously, if there is no policy against something, there is no reason to believe that it "doesn't belong." Considering extensive explanations of tattoos on wikipedia are not uncommon (ex: [1] [2]), I don't see how you can claim that this doesn't "belong".

• "That is the material of tabloids"*

And the way I see it, we had established this in the above discussion. Most of the "he said/she said, he left/she left" tabloid material (mostly, if not all, from the Daily Mail) had been removed. The problem now is that, save for the infobox, EVERY mention of her marriage and divorce Jon Hunt has been removed. Additionally, there is NO mention of her tattoos, including the one she had edited.

• "And does anyone here, who like me and wants the *opposite* of anyone's reputation damaged, have a solid argument for why a mention of Mr. Hunt's divorce is relevant to this article's subject?"*

Considering that I certainly do not want to damage anyone's reputation, I feel perfectly qualified to answer this question. I can't tell if you are joking or not but it seems terribly obvious that this divorce is not JUST "Mr. Hunt's divorce", it's "Diablo Cody's divorce" as well. And as noted previously, wikipedia's policy on relatively unknown people is clear: Hunt can be mentioned as long as it includes "only material relevant to their notability." And in this case it is obvious that his marriage/divorce from Cody and his appearance on her edited tattoo is what is relavant to his notability. -Ektar (talk) 19:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, some restructuring needed

I noticed that someone interjected (out of place) two recent statements (90210 from 2008, and about her pregnancy) into the 'Early History' section (!). I also discovered that apparently she is no longer with Entertainment Weekly (a "former EW columnist" [[3]]) and it seems to me that a section is needed to collect the latest well-sourced news for these three things at least. Any recommendations? Xblkx (talk) 02:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Pictures

Are we sure that the two photograph's used are of the same person? They look like two completely different people imo.... Pinner458 (talk) 21:53, 12 June 2010 (UTC)