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Beefsteak edit

Please, do not vandalize Wikipedia. The entire first heading tells the uses of marshmallows for all. The veg info tells people what most don't realize (that gelatin is an animal product)--the anon edit is foolish and adds nothing useful. An omnivore could heat marshmallows with anything, or with nothing else at all. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 07:04, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There's no user named Beefsteak, as far as I can tell. --67.172.99.160 00:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stop Deleting the Little Guy!

Hey! Why is it that people always remove the little guy. We don't remove Peeps or any big corporate entity, yet I see my sight removed. We are an award winning Marshmallow Maker and we make artisan marshmallows. Hand-made the old fashion way. No molds or machines are used in our process.....Please Support the little guy and don't remove our link. Corporate sites are OK, but the world can't fit into one Walmart Like category. Allow people to decide for themselves. No need to be a Wikipedia NAZI!

Please demonstrate Split Bean Coffee's fulfillment of the Wikipedia notability guidelines for companies and corporations before adding your external link again. Thank you. --Icarus 22:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed all the advertising external links. Wikipedia is not an advertising medium, and NO link should go to an ordering page, either primarily or secondarily. To the SplitBean guy, you could try to start an article about your company IF there is something notable about other than you make yet another recipe for a marshmallow (such as that your marshmallows sing to you, or roast themselves, or something really notable). BUT remember that if you start a company article, critical information about your company can allow be included by others. -- Cecropia 02:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Calling people Nazis is never useful, in Wikipedia or politics. -- Cecropia 03:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Splitbean, do you think that if you keep adding your company's link that we'll get tired and give in? Cecropia and I have both explained what criteria must be met before a company can be considered notable by Wikipedia standards. If you keep adding your company's link without demonstrating its notability, then this is considered spam (see this link for the relevant Wikipedia guidelines). If you keep spamming, then you will be blocked from editing sooner or later. Please, don't make it come to that. --Icarus 21:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

image

The Pink Marshmallow Image is possible the worst photo of a marshmallow I can imagine. You can barely tell its shape, and as the caption says, it's an uncommon colour. Can anyone help out? -- TheMightyQuill 14:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eggs come from chickens...

So would that not that not mean that the 'original' recipe for marshmallows would also be non-vegetarian? No meat! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.50.67.228 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 4 June 2006.

Eggs are an animal product but they are not "meat." Vegetarian societies almost always use eggs and milk, and most chicken eggs consumed are not fertile, if you want to take the further step of concern on eating something that could theoretically turn into an animal. As the article explains, "vegetarian" marshmallows can contain egg whites, but "vegan" marshmallows do not. -- Cecropia 03:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Aw man, Cecropia beat me to it! But I wrote my whole little response before seeing the dreaded "edit conflict" notice, so I'm going to go ahead and post it anyway :-P
Eggs are not vegan, so traditional marshmallows (and marshmallow fluff) are not vegan. Eggs are vegetarian, however, so gelatin-free marshmallows are indeed vegetarian. Eggs are not considered meat by vegetarians because they do not require the chickens to be killed. The eggs used in Western cooking are not fertilized, so calling them meat would be like calling a woman's monthly period an abortion. (Sorry if that grosses anyone out for any reason, but it's the most accurate analogy.) Some vegetarians choose not to eat eggs for various reasons, and some cultures do consider fertilized eggs to be a delicacy, but in general eggs are suitable for vegetarians. --Icarus 03:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As a lacto-ovo vegetarian, I can confirm that the vast majority of vegetarians eat (unfertilised) eggs and milk products, and those who do not are generally vegan, have allergies, or do it for a religious reason (I know Jains who are lacto vegetarians, and do not eat egg products). Joseph Sanderson 00:08, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deaths section

Is that really relevant?

If it is, it probably doesn't need 5 references. I suspect that the content could be better placed elsewhere, since I don't feel it merits a section of its own. Perhaps it would be better placed in a Chubby Bunnies article? Joseph Sanderson 22:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the information shouldn't necessarily be in this article. I propose that we merge anything not already in Chubby Bunny and add a "See also" wikilink to the bottom of this one. Because of today's drama, though, I think the merge should be put off for a couple of days to let things cool down before making any major changes. Just to be on the safe side. --Icarus (Hi!) 22:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Before removing sourced statement you should discuss it. Deadliness of marshmallow has a section of its own (with 5 sources). This aspect of marshmallow has multiple sources. In fact it's the only sourced section. So this means that it is of great importance and should have its place in the header.

With your logic, every article that is about an object that can cause someone to asphyxiate should include information about people choking on them. That's right, an article on Car keys should include such. :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 14:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I also was thinking likewise, but I was naive. First, I removed this fear mongering non-sense, but fellows above, commited to marshmallow awareness, reverted my edits. I've try to reason them with examples that we don't have Death by Pizza section in Pizza, nor Death by Hot Dogs in Hot Dogs, but with no result. They have convinced me that to deny deadliness of marshmallow is an act of vandalism, so if that is Wiki consensus, it is fine with me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.118.108.138 (talk) 16:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The section is completely stupid, has been removed and will stay removed. People can choke and die on anything (and do.) We already have the Chubby Bunny article to cover marshmallow-related stupidity, and I've added a Chubby Bunny link in the "see also" section. The "danger" does not need to be present in the main marshmallow article unless someone has reliable information that marshmallows are, in fact, inherently more dangerous than most other types of food. --Lode Runner 05:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proper toasting technique

"A popular, traditional treat is created by toasting marshmallows usually over a campfire or other source of open flame."

I know that the image of someone toasting a marshmellow on a stick over a roaring fire is a popular one, but it's pretty inaccurate (at least, it for those of us that do not enjoy eating pure carbon.) It takes forever to toast a marshmellow over flame if you take care to ensure that it doesn't catch on fire. It makes much more sense to roast the main course (which, unlike marshmellows, is usually not flammable) over the open flame, let the fire die down while you eat, and toast your marshmellows over the flameless (but still very hot) *coals*. Sure, I've known impatient people (mostly kids) who're happy to stick their marshmellows in the flame--usually resulting in nothing more than a gooey center coated by sooty, bitter blackness--but most campers I've met prefer the golden brown, carmalized, quick-and-easy toasting that coals offer. Perhaps the open-flame method is more popular due to widespread ignorance and/or impatience, but the coal method should at least be mentioned. --Lode Runner 22:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most marshmallows are free of eggs

I believe marshmallows today usually do not contain egg whites. My wife is allergic to egg whites yet does not have any reaction to marshmallows. Take a look at http://home.howstuffworks.com/question128.htm for a recipe to make your own (no egg).

Also, look at http://www.itdg.org/docs/technical_information_service/marshmallows.pdf especially where it says that perfectly good marshmallows can be made without egg white. Such egg-free marshmallows are also relatively resistant to spoilage.I cannot BELIEVE that marshmallows are made from animal marrow. I'll never eat a marshmallow again!

History

Some history on the marshmallow would be nice. The page mentions the company that holds the patent and the approximate time period they were invented. A more specific time, place, and inventor would be nice, if known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.161.164 (talk) 14:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Manufacture

How are marshmallows manufactured? Specifically, why aren't they sticky on the outside? ~MDD4696 02:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply] 

they are not sticky on the outside because they are coated with powdered sugar and corn starch

69.119.253.197 (talk) 23:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced information

A popular camping or backyard tradition in the United States is the toasting or roasting of marshmallows over a campfire or other source of an open flame. - This assertion is ridiculous and must be sourced or I will remove it very soon. I am genuinely disturbed by the continual appearance of unsourced information on Wikipedia, and feel that all pages must immediately be pared down to sourced information alone. Otherwise, how are we supposed to believe these marshmallow LIES? There is simply no reliable sourcing presented to back up this far-fetched marshmallow-related claim...as with so many other statements on Wikipedia - which should also be removed unless properly verified by the end of the month. The Encyclopedia Britannica would never allow marshmallows to be slandered like this. Imagine if this appeared in a print edition of Wikipedia, and a poor child in Somalia, having no other information on marshmallows, were to read this unsourced absurdity? Please remove this crap now. NBSTVM 00:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IT HAS ALREADY BEEN ONE MINUTE SINCE I INSERTED THE FACT TAG. THIS GOES TO SHOW THAT THE INFORMATION IS FALSE AND SHOULD BE REMOVED. OMG OMG OMG NBSTVM 00:03, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Surely there are better places to raise a complaint than here, and over this. Kroyw 00:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are contributing to the destruction of Wikipedia by allowing unsourced information to be placed in the encyclopedia. Already, hundreds of children have been exposed to this article and learned UNVERIFIED information about marshmallows - a food they eat every day. What if a child were to die in a fire while attempting to "toast" a marshmallow on the advice of this article? You are wildly irresponsible, and would never be allowed near Encyclopedia Britannica. You have removed a tag requesting sourcing for NO REASON. I demand that this information be sourced or removed. I am initiating a MARSHMALLOW WATCH starting now. So far it has been ONE WHOLE DAY since sourcing was requested...and unsurprisingly, no sourcing has been given. NBSTVM 00:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have left a message on your talk page relating to this matter. NBSTVM 00:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am reverting your edit. Please review WP:POINT before repeating it. --Icarus (Hi!) 04:39, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have reviewed WP:Point and believe that you are referring to the clause establishing that {{fact}} tags are to be used in situations where the content is likely to be challenged. I feel that this content is likely to be challenged, and indeed have a number of questions about it myself. The practice of roasting marshmallows is virtually obsolete, and the dangers involved are obvious, much like those of burning plastic. Virtually no scouting or camping organizations participate in this sort of activity anymore, although a few rogue individuals may choose to do so on their own. I agree that the word "tradition" in the sentence in question is appropriate, since the activity has taken place in the past, but I do not agree with the article's implication that its popularity is ongoing, especially coupled with the complete silence on the dangers of marshmallow roasting. Some of my comments about EB were over the top, but I was giving vent to long-held feelings that Wikipedia is irresponsible, and that, seeing as one of its target audiences is underprivileged children (cf. the stated priorities of Jimmy Wales), Wikipedia should be more careful in publicizing dangerous activities which are not even particularly common. Marshmallow roasting is a dying and dangerous "tradition", and the article should source any claims about its currency, safety, popularity, or benefits. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'm sorry if I lost my temper. NBSTVM 23:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You should be sorry for creating the disruption. If this is some weak attempt at humor it wasn't funny the first time. Let it rest, NBSTVM. Kroyw 18:06, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In a concession to the obstinacy of certain people here, I have refrained from demanding a fact check, and have edited the entry to a compromise version. NBSTVM 19:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I find the amount of detail in the vegetarian section of the article absolutely unacceptable. It seams that the article is more dedicated to the topic of vegetarian's relation to marshmallows rather than the marshmallows them selfs. I mean, good god, this isn't vegepedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.216.89 (talk) 01:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

breakfast cerial

What do they call the little marshmallows that they put in lucky charms and other breakfast cerials? I think this information should be added to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.4.252 (talk) 03:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The marshmallow history

Everyone should know where they come from, and that they were invented by the Egyptians!! why would something like that be removed, repeatedly!!??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.30.19.81 (talk) 21:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vegetarians and Gelatine

"Vegetarians" don't eat gelatine, it's made from dead animal, a Semi-vegetarian might. See: http://www.kurma.net/faq/ask30.htmlOosh (talk) 09:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Award-winning book

Marshmallow by Clare Turlay Newberry (Harper) 1943, caldecott honor
~ender 2008-11-18 2:32:AM MST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.240.12.80 (talk)

Pre-softened?

Is it really necessary to say PRE-softened? It's just another abuse of that prefix in contemporary (American?) English. "Softened" is a past participle that indicates that something has been done before something else. To say that the gelatin is softened in water means that it has been softened before being added to the mixture. It would be rather difficult to soften it in water after it's been added! Caeruleancentaur (talk) 16:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quite right, I have changed it, next time just be bold :) StealthFox 21:15, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are they bad for animals?

I was wondering if feeding marshmallow to animals is bad for them? Im wondering because when people have marshmallow guns and shoot them out side I was wondering if the animals that comeby and eat them would get poisoned like dogs when they eat chocolate.sorry im not logged in but my computers internet is really slow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.82.158.206 (talk) 22:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chocolate is only dangerous to animals because of the theobromine content of cocoa products (see Chocolate#Toxicity_in_animals). So I imagine unless its chocolate marshmallows, it's not an issue StealthFox 00:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SI/Imperial

Should the units used to describe the mass of mashmallow consumed yearly in the US not be quoted first in metric and then in imperial, due to the difference is values of units of the same name in different countries? Colostomyexplosion (talk) 15:09, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source cited uses avoirdupois units so while I have no love for them over SI, I believe that's what the primary unit used in the article, with a suitable SI conversion for the more enlightened. :p If you're worried about people mistaking it for troy pounds we can turn on links in the tempalted and that'll send them off to the correct unit article. Oosh (talk) 22:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Roasting Marshmallows

Roasting the marshmallows IS NOT a tradition of the western world because in Italy, France, Netherlands, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Greenland, Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Austria, Switzerland, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Slovenia, Belgium, Luxembourg, Andorra, San Marino, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Malta, Faroe Islands, Greece, Cyprus, Monaco, Georgia, Armenia, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Nakhchivan, Chechnya, Turkey and so on IT IS NOT a local tradition and so I modified Western World in North America --Francesco —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.14.79.137 (talk) 22:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, fair enough. The reason it was changed to "western world" was because the list had grown to "United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK and Mexico." Not all of these are in North America, so that isn't a good alternative, either. I'm going to go change it to "North America and the English-speaking world" because it seems like that's the best way to cover all of the bases. --Icarus (Hi!) 04:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Proper English

The article should at least mention that marshmellows are spelt with an e in the UK.Daleks Rule (talk) 20:44, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's the relevance of grey whales?

"According to the National Confectioners Association, Americans spend more than $125 million annually for upwards of 90 million pounds of marshmallow, a mass equivalent to 1,286 gray whales."

I'm not sure I can visualise this equivalency. How much is that in football courts? 84.112.202.36 (talk) 00:16, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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