User talk:Dolfrog/Archives/2010 1

Dyslexia research

"As you probably have no understanding of the issues which cause me to be dyslexic, then I consider your actions to be vandalism, if you want to help edit the article please do so but do not just delete bits because it does suit your person way of understanding issues"

Maybe you should start your own page if it is your desire to talk about yourself. The page I was editing is about research in dyslexia, and it is not written very well. There is more work to be done in terms of content and how the content is presented, so maybe you should focus on explaining the issues more clearly if it is your desire to actually allow a reader to understand the information presented, rather than attacking someone who is trying to accomplish that goal. Ninahexan (talk) 04:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Please don't start your own page, Dolfrog. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which means it is about notable subjects based mostly on secondary and tertiary research. If you, yourself, and your dyslexia are notable, and they are written up, then a new article can be started. It is generally recommended that you do not edit an article about yourself, even if you are notable, as this represents a conflict of interest.

No editor is required to understand the issues which personally make you dyslexic, Dolfrog, in order to edit wikipedia. There are probably on-line support groups where you can discuss that issue. Wikipedia rightly encourages editors to stay away from the personal, this includes the issues "which cause you to be dyslexic." They have nothing to do with editing wikipedia articles. Thank you. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 04:17, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I have no intentions of starting my own page.

I am dyslexic and as I have discussed over the lat few months or so on various Wikipedia discussion pages , due to the underlying cause of my dyslexia I am able to research dyslexia and understand the meaning of the research, but i am unable to paraphrase the research papers or copy edit the specific wiki articles. To this end last summer I summerised the main dyslexia article found the research papers to support the existing content, and correct the existing content to correspond to the content of the research papers. I then created a series of sub articles which was the intention of the editors Wikipedia dyslexia project. The articles which Ninahexan is currently editing do need editing, as i have mentioned I am not able to paraphrase and copy edit, so i rely on others like Ninahexanto perform those tasks. But I do understand the actual content, which requires copy editing and adding to Not deleting. So other editors do need to understand the limitations my disability impose on me with regard to editing a wiki article. ~From my experience of many Wikipedia editors they see themselves above the all others who have communication disabilities and actively promote disability discrimination against other editors who do not have the same abilities as themselves. So I have stopped being an active editor on Wikipedia to avoid this type of disability discrimination which causes me too much stress.

On my user page there are links to a wide range of Research paper collections including some 23 regarding different aspects of dyslexia. the causes of my dyslexia should not be the subject of any Wikipedia article, but it should be part of the consideration and understanding of other Wikipedia editors. I am prepared to discuss any technical issue about dyslexia on a discussion papge, but i will no longer add content to existing articles. Waht i object to is other editors deleting content without prior discussion about editing or changing the wording a skill which i have mentioned before i do not have. I am a team player where others in the team carry out the tasks I am unable to do. Wikipedia does not appear to be a team player working environment, more driven by editors personal ego. dolfrog (talk) 00:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Your response shows you understand exactly what I am saying. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 02:37, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

So you saying, Wikipedia does not want dyslexics as editors of their articles, please correct me if I am wrong. dolfrog (talk) 02:45, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

People with dyslexia do not own "their" articles. Dyslexia belongs to everyone regardless of disability.

Competence is required for all editors, regardless of disability status. Anyone who is able to work productively is welcome. Anyone who is unable to work productively in Wikipedia's environment should stop editing. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

WhatamIdoing I do not want to own any article, especially any article on Wikipedia, I only use Wikipedia now for the research paper references some of the more informative articles provide. The problem with so many Wikipedia editors that they have very little competence in understanding the content of the articles the are trying to edit, and more interested in their own small town interests. I have more important things to do than engage in such futile exchanges. I am only interested in scientific based information and theories and not the subjective nonsense which pre-occupies so may on Wikipedia. Your attitude and the attitude of so may others on Wikipedia would appear to discriminate against those who have a disability, under the misapprehension that you are vastly superior. dolfrog (talk) 15:12, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Dyslexia research

Wikipedia is about presenting information in a coherent, efficient and for the most part accurate way. If your writing lacked clarity at any point it should be changed, and citing "disability discrimination" is meaningless in such a context. When stating that someone has referenced particular information you should state why they were referencing it. Your sentence lacked this information, so how could I put in that information? If you are suggesting that you are not capable of writing these things more clearly then don't be surprised when they get changed or deleted. As I said, I will update the page to reflect the various usages of the word dyslexia and the various reams in which the term is used, and this will mean that I delete the reference to Elliot referencing the various usages. I can't imagine that would be a problem, since what you have written at the moment only states that there are a number of different definitions, not that Elliot's reference to that fact carried any new information.06:25, 11 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninahexan (talk • contribs)

I do not have the time nor the inclination to carry this any further, you obviously have no intention of trying to understand the UK debate regarding dyslexia, which created this controversy. personally I am not really bothered about the nature of the debate, but others have requested its inclusion to demonstrate the scientific differences regarding dyslexia. prof Elliot was asked to comment on a more recent media discussion regarding the existence of dyslexia and he referred to the 26 definitions of dyslexia listed in the dyslexia review to add weight to his own research.

the reason I stopped being an active Wikipedia editor was precisely due to this type of discussion. I have a communication disability, which others prefer to ignore with regard to my contributions. Arbitory deletion appears to be the working practice of most Wikipedia editors, which from my perspective is pure disability discrimination. MY only interest is to ensure all content regarding dyslexia is supported by scientific documentation, and that the articles reflect scientific research, and not the opinions of program providers, popular teaching methods, or the myths that have grown up around dyslexia. The clarification becomes less important to me as the quality of research regarding Auditory Processing Disorder as a cognitive cause of dyslexia continues to improve at a quicken rate in recent months. So do what every you want with regard to this issue. dolfrog (talk) 22:25, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Reading instruction by country

Category:Reading instruction by country, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --Orlady (talk) 22:26, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Auditory memory

Please complete the WP:RFD submission process, as detailed on the RFD link. You have done step 1 of the process, tagging the redirect, but the nomination is not complete until you list the redirect on the RFD discussion page and thus start an actual discussion on the fate of the redirect. - TexasAndroid (talk) 15:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

External links

As per the manual of style, external links should not be linked to directly within the text of an article, suitable links should be in the external links section. --Cameron Scott (talk) 17:01, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Also you misunderstand what external links are for - they are for providing resources that help an individual to further understand the topic, so in regards to Dyslexia support in the United Kingdom, it should be (for example) scholarly resources or similar that discusses dyslexia support in general, it's not to promote helpgroups - in the same way that an article on car mechanics would use external links to articles on the principles of car mechanics not to individual garages. --Cameron Scott (talk) 17:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

you have delated all the information regarding the Disability Equality Duty, I added the links in the hope that an editor like yourself who has the skills could explain the techinical infornation and use the links as references now there is nothing dolfrog (talk) 17:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

It's still there in the history. Can you write something about the Disability Equality Duty and I'll format the references for it? If not I'll have a go at writing something. --Cameron Scott (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I have problems doing that part of editing, and it becomes too stressful, I did try for 3 months this time last year, and waht you found in this article is where i got to before it all became too stressful, and i had to stop for my own health reasons. If you would be so good as to create some description I would be very grateful. as you may have seen from my userpage research and understanding issues id my thing, but my own form of dyslexic means i have problems expressing these issues in text. Sorry about any anger, but it is more frustration regarding my APD which causes my dyslexia. dolfrog (talk) 17:37, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm off out for a meal but will take a stab in the morning, I'll also review all of the links I've removed and see if we can add them to the articles as references - that way they will safe from removal. --Cameron Scott (talk) 17:38, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I got caught up in other things but will take a look today - you do realise that makes sure that articles confirm to the Manual of style *is* part of the process of being an encyclopaedia? If you are going to throw your toys out of the pram, do it somewhere else but my talkpage. --Cameron Scott (talk) 06:17, 4 May 2010 (UTC)