Talk:Misogyny

Like misandry, misogyny is the pathological hate of a specific sex group, but hate of women by an individual man. Unlike misandry, misogyny has been a major focus to the feminist movement and gets much discussed and investigated. Masculism maintains that misandry has been rampant for thirty years, due to feminist advocacy, and has become a social pathology. Feminism counters that misogyny is a social disease and misandry doesn't exist.

I have removed this entry to /talk for three reasons. First, it seems to be nothing more than a dictionary definition. Second, it is a bad definition: I am not sure that misogyny must be "pathological." Moreover, although some feminists might pathologize their discussion of sexism and misogyny, I am certain that many, and most feminist scholars, do not. The very notion of conflating all feminists into one feminism that has one (simple-minded) view is unconstructive and uninformative. Finally, this entry seems to me to lack NPOV and rather is a veiled attempt to promote a particular point of view. Perhaps there should be an entry here, but this isn't it. -- SR

You answered my question before I could ask it.
Perhaps a single page defining misogyny, misandry, and masculism would work.
Or maybe there's just a strong reaction from men to what they see as unfairness in feminism. The problem is how to express those feelings of unfairness in a NPOV way. I suggest, "According to writer Mr. X, feminism fails to . . ." Or, "Some men also . . ." Ed Poor

I'd like people's reactions to the following statement: Wikipedia is not an appropriate place for the expression of one's feelings.

I have actually met women who hate (or profoundly distrust) men (at least, they made it seem as if it were all men and not just me). I don't particularly like it, but I can't say I completely blame them. I have nothing at all against Germans, but I can understand (even if I don't think it is really constructive) why a lot of people of my parents' and grandparents' generation hate them. I also think there are many feminists, and many women, and many women feminists, who would admit that there are women who hate men. But I don't think they would identify this as a pathology or major social problem. Most feminists I know are not interested in the fact that individual men hat women, but rather in structural inequalities in our society (which I think many feminists believe explains why some men hat women).

Perhaps there is a need and a place to discuss why some men hate feminists, and why some women hate men. I suspect that this is just too complex an issue to lump into one "pathology" One needs to distinguish between hating men, meaning real living individuals, and hating the idea of "men," or "masculinity," or "machismo." Also, one has to distinguish the hatred an oppressor feels towards the oppressed, from the hatred the oppressed feel towards the oppressor (i.e. not all fights are between equals). Also, one has to explore different kinds of oppression (when one person oppresses anothe, when a system oppresses different people in different ways, etc). There is just so much here to explore that I don't think one word can do justice to. Perhaps an article on psychology could explore some dimensions of this, and and the article on feminism or sexism could explore others. --SR