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July 12

internet radio

how can i get gaydar radio, an internet radio station, in my car? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.217.122 (talk) 09:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Get an internet-capable device like a Droid phone. Tune into the internet station you like. Get a walkman/ipod-to-radio converter. If your car has a tape player, you can use the real cheap one that has a cassette tape on one end and a headphone jack on the other. Otherwise, you may have to get the radio converter that broadcasts a very weak FM radio signal and tune into the signal. Then, you just turned your car speakers into very expensive headphones and you can listen to any internet station you like. -- kainaw ™ 11:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This might not be a good idea. You might hit your bandwidth cap very fast. APL (talk) 16:35, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gaydar is also available on DAB radio so you could get one of those in your car. --Half Price (talk) 10:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cloning in films

I graduated high school in 1995 and so wasn't in a state to judge, but it seems to be that the ridiculous premise of the film Multiplicity would make it so bad that not only would it generate extremely poor box office returns (which it did) but it shouldn't have even made it past the drawing board. I mean, come on -- cloning someone by taking some blood and having them lie on a bed and a fully grown clone with complete memory just pops up from some plastic mold -- I think it'd be hard to conjure up a less scientifically-based, more ridiculously prepared concept for a movie. Dolly was apparently cloned in 1996, but what was public knowledge of this back then that allowed this project to even get off the ground? It just seems like such a dumb idea. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 13:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Entertainment is not required to be scientifically accurate, and the scientific premise is rarely the selling point. George Lucas did pretty well with his hokey religions and slower-than-light exploding laser guns, after all. — Lomn 14:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many movies depend on suspension of disbelief. Astronaut (talk) 14:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why has the Entertainment desk turned into the "DRosenbach complains about things he doesn't like" desk? Adam Bishop (talk) 15:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why does Adam Bishop think that his comment is any more appropriate than my questions just because he used small letters? DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 16:04, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can say it in big letters if you'd like. Adam Bishop (talk) 16:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Accelerated growth clones and memory-copy tropes are commonly accepted premises in science fiction. In fact, it's very common in science fiction to start a story with an impossible or very improbable premise and follow it logically to its conclusion. (Warp Drive, Time Travel, The Force, etc)

Audiences rebel when the plot is ended with a previously unmentioned impossible technology, but including impossible technologies in a story's premise is pretty much the whole point of the genre. APL (talk) 16:34, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In one of Bill Cosby's 1960s records, he mocks the radio show Lights Out with the story of a chicken heart in a lab, which escapes somehow, grows to enormous size on its own somehow, and eats up the state of New Jersey. There aren't all that many "new" ideas out there. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be interested, though, in a Wikipedia article about cases where audiences rejected storylines for this, or at least cases where 99% of critics did. Independence Day when Jeff Goldblum uploaded the virus to the alien ship was a notably awful abuse of the audience's ability to suspend their disbelief. Of course, this didn't prevent the film from becoming the #2 grossing movie of all time, at the time. Comet Tuttle (talk) 17:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With that many big laser explosions, how could it not be? Googlemeister (talk) 20:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Of course, it would have to omit comedies in which the lack of disbelief is part of the joke. -- kainaw ™ 17:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That wasn't as unbelievable as people make it out to be. People joke about beaming a virus from a mac to an alien computer. Really he was just using the laptop as a user interface for the recovered craft they were in. The virus was being transmitted from their stolen alien ship to the alien mother-ship through normal alien telecommunication channels. All this had probably been worked out by human scientists previous to the alien invasion. (The recovered craft had been recovered in 1947.)

(Presumably the alien culture includes no criminals or practical jokers that would prompt them to invent virus protection.)

This isn't some kind of fan justification because 1) I'm not at all a fan of that film, and 2) If I recall, it was presented pretty clearly in the actual film. APL (talk) 18:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talking of unbelievable technology, I used to watch "The Time Tunnel", and I was always bemused, not so much by the primary premise of the show (if you didn't suspend disbelief about that, you wouldn't be watching it to begin with), but by the control panel, and the earnest-looking white lab-coated Lee Meriwether who operated it. At the right moment, she would slide levers, turn dials, press buttons and flick switches in some complex order, and hey presto, Tony and Doug would disappear into the past/future. I'm sure if we analysed old footage, we'd find her sequence of operations was different every time; in other words, made up as she went along every time. I used to watch for those parts of the show, and laugh uproariously at the utter stupidity of it. That, and a look at eye-candy James Darren, made the show well worth watching. The rest was complete rubbish. Having just now checked the article, I can't believe it was only on for 1 year; it seemed to go for years on Australian TV and I was never aware of watching repeats. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 20:13, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One of my favorites was when they landed in ancient Greece and everyone was speaking perfect English. Unless they were using a Babelfish and just didn't bother to bring that up. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And with American accents to boot. Somehow, absurdities such as this are more acceptable to non-American ears when they're speaking in British, specifically British, accents. Not Cockney or Yorkshire or Lancashire or Scots, though. That would be completely off the planet. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 21:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Probably upper-class British for the rulers, and Cockney or Irish for the peons. That would figure. Hey, it worked in Ben-Hur. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Doctor Who has taught me that aside from the very occasional American, everyone in history, both future and past, speaks in some sort of British accent. APL (talk) 03:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And we all sleep better knowing that. It really is very reassuring, isn't it, APL. :) -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 12:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, that's handwaved with the Tardis translating everything. It could either be a sign of the Doctor's soft spot for modern Britain that he has the Tardis translate into those accents, or we could be hearing what the companions hear, which would be translated into accents they were familiar with. I recommend watching the season 4 episode (of nuwho) where they go to Pompei for more on the way the translation manifests. For example, when Donna speaks Latin to Romans. 86.164.57.20 (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The machine wouldn't even power on. Even then, to expect we could have had a virus that would work on the alien mother ship is completely ludicrous. Ludicrous. There is no scifi explanation for it. You can say oh yeah we invented the warp core 50 years ago. But there is absolutely no circumstance where this is possible. --mboverload @ 01:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was actually a Beta version of Windows Vista, not a virus per se. Googlemeister (talk) 19:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name of movie?

What is the name of this film? A well-to-do older gentleman who is an expert in, and a collector of, a certain type of porcelain object d'art, has his entire collection destroyed because he realizes that it won't be long before the Nazis confiscate his collection. He actually instructs a young female employee of his household to throw the objects one by one to the ground, breaking them. The movie I would guess was made about 20 years ago. My guess would be that the collector (I don't know if he is fictitious or based on a real character) lived in Germany or Austria. He is a collector and connoisseur of these particular objects so it is a particularly poignant moment when he begins to instruct his very reluctant employee to take the first object, then the second object, one by one, off the shelf and destroy it. As the scene develops there is a great sense of relief evident on both their faces as they joyously proceed to destroy precious objects. Bus stop (talk) 17:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Utz (1992), based on a novel by Bruce Chatwin. See here. --Xuxl (talk) 17:52, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Utz! Thank you! Bus stop (talk) 18:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

July 13

What Kind of Tours Do I Need to Include In the Infobox for Cyclist Riders?

Hello,

What kind of tours do I need to include in the infox in the profiles of cyclist riders? I am assuming mostly Tour de France, Giro d'Italia, and Vuelta a España as they seem the most major ones. However, then do I just leave those minor ones under "Career Highlights" section of the page? please correct me if I am wrong.

In addition, do I need to sort them by any specific order or not?

Thanks,FrostBlaze (talk) 02:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a cyclist rider profile, Andy Schleck, which I edited and I believe it looks good , please take and tell me what you think.FrostBlaze (talk) 03:21, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The best place to ask this would likely be at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cycling. Either that or at the Help desk. The Ref Desks are generally for finding answers to questions outside of how things on Wikipedia work, like "Who was Lance Armstrong engaged to?". Dismas|^(talk) 05:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I figured out it myself. Thanks for the suggestion though. Y.golovko (talk) 23:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

5-7-10 conversion

Anybody made it at pro-level? SwampyQ2 (talk) 12:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is this in regards to bowling? Hemoroid Agastordoff (talk) 16:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt it. There are a few Youtube videos of pros who tried and failed, and an amateur who managed it. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One cool dude. Thanks for your replies, cheers. SwampyQ2 (talk) 07:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What is this song?

Can anyone help? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uP0FKTTdJI hello, i'm a member | talk to me! 16:46, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requiem for a Tower: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI_oWrseTKk&fmt=18. The bit you hear in your video starts at 3:24. Vimescarrot (talk) 19:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1960s movie

What was the name of the 1960s film where the main character was deaf and befriends a girl who lives in the same house as him. One scene was he brought a Vinyl record of Mozart and she went to his room to hear it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.53.184 (talk) 21:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Might have been Gigot (film). ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter (film) too. Oda Mari (talk) 01:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

July 14

Which Jersey Icon Should be for "U23 European Championships" for Cycling?

Does anyone know what the jersey icon should be for "U23 European Championships" for cycling?

Y.golovko (talk) 02:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian God Bless America Equivalents?

Watching the All-Star Game, something occurred to me while they were singing "God Bless America" in the seventh inning stretch. What happens when they have the All-Star Game in Toronto? What song would they sing? Not "O Canada", because that's the national anthem. Is there a Canadian equivalent to "God Bless America"? Or would they just ignore this recent "tradition"? 69.120.0.81 (talk) 03:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They might just do "Take me out to the Ballgame", like in old-timey times (as my son calls the late 90's). UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 12:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't believe we have an article for this. At the Skydome (or Rogers Centre although I refuse to call it that) they sing OK Blue Jays. OK! Blue Jays! Let's! Play! Ball! I don't know if they played that at the 1991 All Star Game, though. Adam Bishop (talk) 13:22, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

God Save the Queen maybe? I know it's the British anthem, sort of, but it's a valid song to sing in Canada, for similar reasons to God Bless America. Aaronite (talk) 14:25, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most likely they played "Take me out to the Ballgame", as the "God Bless America" stuff didn't really start until after 9/11/01. Although I recall at Wrigley Field in the late 1960s (at the height/depth of the Vietnam era) that the organist would play "God Bless America" as the people filed out after the game. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, as songs, "O Canada" and "God Save the Queen" are closer in sentiment to "God Bless America" than to "The Star-Spangled Banner". The latter might be closer to "Rule, Britannia" in sentiment, taking all its verses together. I kind of doubt that Canada has a similarly self-puffing song, but I could be wrong. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, seriously, no one plays God Save the Queen in Canada, especially not at a baseball game. As I said, the Blue Jays have their own song they play during the seventh-inning stretch. Adam Bishop (talk) 19:25, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After 9/11, "God Bless America" was played at all Major League parks in seventh inning stretches, including Toronto's. This was an order from the league, and the Blue Jays were not given the choice of declining. Canada's unofficial No. 2 patriotic song is "The Maple Leaf Forever," which was sung by Michael Buble (in Mountie costume) at the closing ceremonies of this year's Winter Olympics. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maple Leaf Forever? I've never heard it. I think the opening theme of Hockey Night in Canada would be your best bet (we could hum it). Clarityfiend (talk) 02:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's lame. Apparently this was Paul Godfrey's doing, which is not surprising. Fortunately they don't do that anymore. Adam Bishop (talk) 02:07, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No one plays "God Save the Queen" in Canada? Too bad. Years ago ('70s) they used to play in movie theaters at the end of the film (or maybe the end of the last film for the evening). Everyone would stand in place 'til it finished.

They did the same in Australia. And they played it at orchestral concerts and similar events. Always at the start of proeceedings, never at the end. But the practice was abandoned about 10-12 years before we dropped GSTQ and adopted Advance Australia Fair as our National Anthem (1984). -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 21:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My Sims Kingdom

Okay, I know Wiki really isn't for video-game cheats, but I really need the help!

I've been playing "My Sims Kingdom" on the Wii, and I'm on the Rocket Reef, I'm trying to build the rocket currently, but whenever I go to one of the Scientist people (Alexa, Dr. F. and Vic) they just go about their business and they don't give me a scroll or even mention the rocket. So I can't even build the Rocket. How do I get them to give me the scrolls? I already build the robot's Diner, he put the signs up and everything. Please help me, it's driving me insane! thanks.

Moptopstyle1 (talk) 03:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is the site that I usually use for game questions. Dismas|^(talk) 03:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but if I don't find my answer, I'll come back here. :) Moptopstyle1 (talk) 03:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They didn't have any cheats or walkthroughs. Any other ideas I can use? I checked a bunch of sites by the way. Moptopstyle1 (talk) 03:50, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I found this on eHow, but all of that'll list, isn't available to me in the game.

Rocket Launch Step 1 Talk to Alexa once more to find out that Vic is feeling down. Step 2 Talk to Vic. Cheer him up, then use "Inspirational Text" on him. Cheer him on, and then try to convince him to be a hero. When he's ready for launch, go back to Alexa for another 25 King points. ..............

and so on. I finished ALL OF THE TASKS that have been given to me so far, but yet I can't get those people to talk! haha Moptopstyle1 (talk) 03:55, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to sound like your mother... but if you have to "cheat", what's the point in playing? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For fun. Surprisingly enough. Vimescarrot (talk) 15:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason, Bugs, is that it's as though the player is trying to finish a novel and is physically unable to turn from page 10 to page 11 until the player is able to pass a test. Sometimes it's a reflex test, sometimes a test of the player's tactics, etc. Players often go to GameFAQs and other game walkthrough sites in order to get past these tests, because the game designers were not thoughtful enough to make the barrier easier if the player has failed a few times. The player wants to see more of the game, more of the story, get to other tests that are more fun; and doesn't want to throw the disc in the garbage just because the player is currently unable to pass some reflex test. Comet Tuttle (talk) 16:24, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yet mysteriously if the game lacks any kind of test, it's quite likely they'll throw the disc away. It might be a test of reflexes, tactics, memory, learned responses ("skill"), guesswork, or management (and there are many more flavours than that), but games with no challenge at all are rarely popular. Yume nikki might be one, but even that has implicit challenges if you look closely - there's a challenge to explore everywhere and acquire all the objects. This conflict between wanting to frustrate yourself and not wanting to be frustrated is the fundamental enigma of games, and I'd love to read a discussion of it if anybody knows of one. 81.131.22.238 (talk) 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm the resident game developer around here - I'm actually a graphics programmer. The guys who design puzzles and decide how the overall structure of the game works are Game designers and they are supposed to be skilled specialists. There is a lot of research into what makes a good game - and those guys talk a lot about 'story arcs' and 'risk/difficulty/reward curves' and other scientific-sounding stuff. Very often, they design games with multiple paths you can take through the puzzles (or boss levels or whatever) so that you won't get frustrated by being stuck at a particular puzzle and unable to proceed.

However, once in a while they decide that there is some key 'story point' that you absolutely have to get past in order for the rest of the game to make sense. So Bowser MUST capture Princess Peach and Mario MUST fail to prevent that - or Mario has nothing to do. If Mario can prevent Peach from being abducted - then nothing else in the rest of the game makes sense.

Games can't be like movies where the entire plot is 100% fixed, but can be carefully plotted to be exciting all of the time - but they also can't be like real life where absolutely any decision is possible at any point in time, but 99% of people live moderately happy unremarkable lives with no bad guys with guns and helicopters anywhere in sight. We have to walk a fine line between forcing you down one narrow path and allowing the player to have a potentially boring experience.

Now, if those game designer guys are doing their job, then these "choke point" problems that you can't progress beyond without solving them should be relatively easy compared to the stuff you've been happily getting past in the previous gameplay. But it is incredibly hard to know what will trip people up...what seems a trivially easy problem to one person might turn out to be impossibly difficult to another.

However, not all game designers are good at their jobs - and there are some terrible games out there.

Another possibility is that you've actually found a bug - and that some small detail in the things you had to get done wasn't done the way the game design team expected and the software doesn't realize that you've done what you needed to do - but in some unexpected way.

Sadly, none of this is going to get you past that step in the game. I've never played this particular game - and I don't know any of the people who worked on it - so I'm not going to be able to help you there. Probably the best suggestion is that if you have a 'game save' from back before you started to solve this puzzle, go back to that and (knowing what you know now) just straightforwardly do all of the things you have to do - without all of the messing around you did while you were trying to figure out the puzzle the first time around. Failing that, see if there is a forum someplace where people are chatting about the game. Talking with someone who already solved the problem would almost certainly tell you what you're missing.

SteveBaker (talk) 00:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It must be pointed out that, often, games are frustrating or bad not because a game designer isn't good at his job, but for other reasons — bad production schedule or budget forcing a 10-minute decision, or a lack of iteration after the initial design; or no focus testing, and the design group was just wrong; or inexperienced gameplay programmers, which are usually every bit as important as designers. At some companies, of course, notably Valve Software, nobody has the actual title "game designer" and it's acknowledged that everyone on the team designs the game, to some extent. Comet Tuttle (talk) 04:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What have I started????..................Thanks everyone, I found a walkthrough that I followed and it got me past that certain Level. Thanks. Moptopstyle1 (talk) 03:56, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ben 10: Ultimate Alien airdates

When will Ben 10: Ultimate Alien return to Cartoon Network? Thirty-two episodes have been produced so far but only nine have been aired. Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz ^talk 07:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

July 15

Original name of Stade Josy Barthel

Reading the article on the Stade Josy Barthel reveals that the stadium was first built in 1928, but didn't carry the name of Josy Barthel until 1993. Does anyone know what it was called prior to that? I have a hunch that it was yet another Stade Municipal to go with the others in Luxembourg, but I'd kinda like to find something that confirms or refutes this. Cheers, AJ Cham 01:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This page (and this one, possibly) would confirm the hypothesis the stadium has once carried the name Stade Municipal. --Магьосник (talk) 02:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, but they're not conclusive. The sources which support those pages do indicate that the matches were played at a Stade Municipal, and given that they are Luxembourg home games it is most probably the Josy Barthel as that is the national stadium. My hunch was based on similar reasoning from having read other sources, but I'd still love to know if there is something concrete which can put this beyond doubt. AJ Cham 07:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A quick google search indicates that the name "stade municipal" is given to the city's indoor stadium, located on "rue du stade". So Josy Barthel likely had another name before 1993. The stadium is in the suburb of Belair, but I couldn't find any reference to it having been called the "Stade de Belair" either. Someone with access to an older city guide would need to help. --207.236.147.118 (talk) 14:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stade Josy Barthel is at the intersection of ~~Rue d'Anton~~ Route d'Arlon and Rue du Stade. Perhaps there are indoor and outdoor stadiums in the same complex. I googled for maps of Luxembourg City, figuring I might find some older ones. I found several that appear to show "Stade Municipal" at the location where Stade Josy Barthel now is, but in all cases the lettering was too small to have been scanned clearly. Here's one dated 1967, here's one with no date (used in 1998, but I assume they grabbed an older map that was handy), and here's another one with no date. And, most interesting, this one (which is supposed to be current) seems to have originally shown "Stade Municipal" and then had "Stade Josy Barthel" added as an additional label pointing to the same place. --Anonymous, 21:59 UTC, correct 23:01, July 15, 2010.

Good work, my anonymous friend! That seems clear enough to me. Whatever other facilities exist on that complex (such as the Hall Omnisports mentioned above), surely the country's national stadium would be deemed the most important and therefore the one named on a map. Stade Municipal it is then. Cheers! AJ Cham 22:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

July 16

FC Bayern Munich vs SC Preußen Münster

Has the FC Bayern Munich ever played against the SC Preußen Münster? --84.61.131.18 (talk) 07:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to this forum, there was a friendly game in 1994. Bayern Munich won 7:0. Someone asked the same question in the forum I'm quoting, and "Skeletor" actually e-mailed SC Preußen Münster and got the above information as a reply. The link they gave in that forum doesn't show this information anymore, however [1]. ---Sluzzelin talk 09:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The website must have been redesigned. The page about that game is now here. Indeed the result is 0:7 (0:1), and the game on 28 January 1994 is the only one ever to have taken place between the two teams. Xenon54 (talk) 13:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why hasn't the FC Bayern Munich ever played a league match against the SC Preußen Münster? --84.61.131.18 (talk) 19:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To answer simply, they have never been in the same league at the same time.

Preußen Münster was a founding member of the Bundesliga, however the 1963/64 season has been their only one in the top level so far. They spent 1964/65 to 80/81 and 89/90 to 90/91 in the old Regionalliga West, and later the 2. Bundesliga Nord (the first iteration of the 2. Bundesliga, when there were 2 leagues of 20 teams each). Between 81/82 and 88/89 and since 91/92 they have been in lower levels, slipping most recently to the now-fourth-tier Regionalliga West.

Perhaps ironically, Bayern München were not selected to take part in the Bundesliga's first season. In 64/65 they were champions of the new second division Regionalliga Süd and therefore have participated in the Bundesliga since 65/66.

Before the creation of the Bundesliga the top divisions were the Oberligen. Bayern Munich played in the Oberliga Süd, while Preußen Münster played in the Oberliga West. Xenon54 (talk) 20:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the SC Preußen Münster the only club which has ever be played in the Bundesliga, but has not played a single Bundesliga match against the FC Bayern Munich? --84.61.131.18 (talk) 07:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably just turned out that way. Why would you expect there to be others? --Viennese Waltz ^talk 09:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FIlm Copyright on The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas, & Inglourious Basterd (2009)

I need to find out 2 film copyrights, as stated in the email titles,

The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas, plus In glourious Basterds (2009).

AS I shall be screening them to a public paying audience,

Remi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.9.30.68 (talk) 21:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is illegal to show them to the public without expressed written consent from the film distributor. Inglourious Basterds is from the Weinstein Company. The Boy in the Striped Pajamas is from Mirimax films. Since both are on DVD release now, you will need to work out a release to show it through both the main company and the DVD distributor - which will likely take many years and end with a refusal. -- kainaw ™ 22:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe not so much, depending on where you are: http://www.film-center.com/ppr.html. 72.2.54.34 (talk) 23:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notice that the Weinstein companies are not in the list of phone numbers to call at the bottom of the page. My negativity about getting permission to charge people for a public performance (which is what the OP stated he will be doing) is not based solely on Hollywood's money-thirst. It is based on the Weinstein's extreme unquenchable money-thirst. -- kainaw ™ 01:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mirimax is now Disney-owned. The Weinsteins are out of the picture there. 72.2.54.34 (talk) 01:56, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Having a Holocaust Remembrance Night I see? Start with the Bitter and end with the sweet. Moptopstyle1 (talk) 02:58, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's perfectly possible to hire films for public paid showings in many jurisdictions, provided that you A) have the appropriate public performance licence from your local governmental authority, and B) that you hire the films from a company (who may require payment in advance and/or other sureties if you are not a regular customer) that is licenced by the film's owners to provide them in this way, and who will pass on part of the (not insubstantial) fee to those owners. This document (found in seconds by googling "film hire") explains the requirements (and lists some suppliers) in the UK, as an example. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 16:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

July 17

Help me find this movie: A pair of princes become frogs in Medieval times, and immortal. They become humans again in the present.

In modern-day London, an American child tourist picks up these pair of frogs near the Tower of London. He takes them home to NY on a jet, and keeps them until he's caught with them by his mother, who orders him to let them go.

Some spell eventually happens, and they're humans again, this time somewhere in Midtown Manhattan.

They hail a horse-drawn carriage in Central Park and get a good tour around. The carriage driver, a nice, young woman, gives a lecture about life in the city, etc. The ride takes a good while, then they ask to be taken to the nearest castle. She says that "You guys are a piece of work!" and drops them off at Belvedere Castle. When the carriage driver asks for payment, the princes give them a coin from their day. They go to a coin collecting agency. Turns out, the coin was worth $6,000 so $5,625 was their change.

Later on, the pair sees a duel taking place on a stage. Thinking the fight is real, they join in, unaware that they're disrupting a practice act. A play director asks if he should call security. The assistant says, "Oh, no! This is too good!" When the princes "win," (surprisingly without drawing any blood,) they have pleasantries with the director, who gets them an acting gig. They do quite well in it.

There's far more to tell about the movie I saw back in high school, but I think the above ought to be enough for now.

Now what is the title of the movie I'm looking for? --Let Us Update Wikipedia: Dusty Articles 08:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't seem to match in every detail, but could it be Prince Charming? Deor (talk) 11:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OMG! IT REALLY IS! I'LL LOOK FOR IT NOW; THANKS A LOT, DEOR. --Let Us Update Wikipedia: Dusty Articles 14:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone have a tech/dance or fast beat song with speaker panning?

A friend and i are playing Audio surf and we want to see what it would look like if we played using a song that has some really good speaker panning from left to right? Does anyone have some nice suggestions?

Preferably something that can be youtubed and perhaps something electronic.

Thanks everyone! 74.117.245.62 (talk) 08:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Part of "Yours is no disgrace" by Yes fits the bill of being split across speakers and electronic ish. It's a long song though. --TammyMoet (talk) 11:47, 17 July 2010 (UTC) Also try the Edgar Winter band's "Frankenstein".--TammyMoet (talk) 11:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Armand Van Helden's You Don't Even Know Me - it has huge amounts of panning (if that's what it's called - infact it is the central theme of the way the song plays out in clubs). It is also one of my favourite dance songs, infact it's cheered me right up listening to it again for the first time in years! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNSpLqmY6K0 ny156uk (talk) 18:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just to note that Youtube link doesn't seem to be in stereo (at least not noticeable through my headphones). Whereas the iTunes download is (and it is 100x better for it) in stereo. ny156uk (talk) 18:18, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

July 18

Numb3rs episode "Thirteen" (4th season) music

Hi! In Numb3rs 4th season is episode "Thirteen", where serial killer kill people like 12 apostols. Every time after he kill, he left same classical music -song playing (I think that it's Mozart or Vivaldi). Does anyone remember what is the name of that song?-Henswick (talk) 10:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

in which cartoon/s is the word 'pixellated' used to mean 'drunk'?

in my recollection, I seem to hear it in Sylvester the Cat's voice, but I might well be wrong. Can anyone help?

Ta

10:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Apparently in Daffy Duck Slept Here (1948)[2], Porky the Pig accuses Daffy of being pixilated. It also appears that he says it in Porky's Hare Hunt (to Bugs) and Porky in Wackyland (to a dodo). 213.122.67.124 (talk) 12:34, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]