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Discussion with 86.122.185.22

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Hello,

Are you aware the reason why MGSpot.com was removed from some articles? Davtra (talk) 06:59, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea why MGSpot.com keeps getting removed from different articles I try to contribute. If you could help out I would really appreciate it. (User:86.122.185.22) 08:44, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks for your contributions so far. I've looked at MGSpot.com. I can see it is a new website (created on March 3, 2010). At this stage, it is unknown if MGSpot.com is a reliable source. That's why MGSpot.com is removed or tagged as an unreliable source. Also:
  • It appears there is little or no editorial oversight and may be self-published (for example, the person hosting the website is also the one writing its contents, a fansite which is generally not accepted). Some articles on MGSpot.com have poor grammar and style of writing, and incorrect spelling.
  • Website was recently created therefore has either low or poor reputation for checking the facts.
  • No author is displayed. This isn't a big issue, but most reliable sources display the author. It also helps to determine which author writes reliable articles.
  • Where does MGSpot.com get its facts from?
Another reason why MGSpot.com was removed because some specific contents are already referenced by reliable sites and official information, so it's unnecessary to add an additional reference to that content.
Please do read Video Game Sources. A list of reliable and unreliable video game-related websites are at bottom of page. I believe MGSpot.com will be checked for its verifiability. If you have any questions, please do ask. Davtra (talk) 08:33, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Wow.. I have to say this is much more information then I have expected. Facts on MGSpot.com are found usually on the games or game developers official websites and it is a site under development and constant change. I am new to Wikipedia and trying to learn and understand how to use it properly, funny thing is that I actually thought somebody else, from other sites, are deleting my references. It also looks like I have to get better at English.
Is there any way I can speed up the acceptance of MGSpot.com as a reliable source? I will make some changes in the website as to add an author and see what else I can improve as this website is intended as a serious source of information regarding video games. Any more feedback is welcomed.(User:86.122.185.22) 10:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
No worries. Wikipedia is a very big place and I sometimes get lost. The key to getting accepted is to make sure the articles are reliable. It's also important to keep the articles in a neutral point of view (no bias). You should also read No Original Research. These are long articles, but I think the first half or quarter of the articles is most important for your needs. Follow these guidelines and MGSpot.com will be acceptable as a reliable reference on Wikipedia.
It's best to write dates as May 7, 2010 or 7 May, 2010 on Wikipedia rather than 2010-7-5 or 2010-5-7. It may confuse the international audience because they don't know which is month or day. Format of the date varies in countries.
Do you write the articles yourself? It's a good idea for someone else to edit. It's sometimes difficult to edit your own work.
You should also sign up for an account :) Davtra (talk) 09:51, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I started using the international date format usually "May 7, 2010" on the website but actually forgot about it in the Wiki references and I am writing the articles myself for now as we are only two people working on the website. I am working on the articles and my friend is doing all the page design and development. We both have jobs, in the same company, same office, so we spend a limited amount of time on the website as it can't currently support our financial needs(No ads on the website). But our intent is to grow it as fast as possible in order to support a minimum income so we can dedicate our full time and attention to it.
I created an account MGSpot (facebook/twitter and others style) but you can imagine that it got blocked instantly for representing a website, wanted to create an article regarding our website development and evolution, but I guess I can do that with any account doesn't have to be the same name. I will create a new account in my name soon. i'll start reading those articles you linked me. (sorry for the bad grammar, I haven't used English in over 8 years)(User:86.122.185.22) 10:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Comment by Bravia2

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I made some good changes to fallout: New Vegas, and please don't change it. Bravia2 (talk) 04:55, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello Bravia2, and thank you very much for your contributions! I don't change the content of articles based on my personal feelings. Wikipedia has its own guidelines to maintaining articles. As Fallout: New Vegas is a video game, please follow these standards: Video games/Article guidelines. If the article contents are not following standards, editors will edit or remove content. As stated by Wikipedia, editors agree that their writing can be edited.
I am sorry to say, but your writing is likely to be removed by editors. Your Courier section has already been summarised in the Story section, and your writing for the Weapons section is too much detail with unnecessary information as stated in Video games/Article guidelines. Editors may use some of your writing and include them in other sections of the article. If you have any questions, please do ask. Thanks, Davtra (talk) 07:19, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Also, please do not copy and paste information from websites, such as you did from http://fallout.wikia.com for Fallout: New Vegas. Wikipedia dislikes copyright infringements as stated here. Thanks, Davtra (talk) 08:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Should I Tag Every Sentence?

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{{helpme}} Should I tag nearly every sentence with inline tags, such as [citation needed], [This quote needs a citation], [page needed] in The King Never Smiles: Critical section? Almost every sentence in that section is direct quote or original research from authors. I've added a specific message box tag to that section (with a hidden message), but adding the inline tags may help editors know where to exactly reference. At the same time, it may appear tag bombing. The tag bombing article doesn't specify clearly what a tag is (message box or inline). Nonetheless, they are tags. Can someone confirm and advice? Davtra (talk) 11:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Personally I wouldn't them to every sentence, because it would become unreadable, and put people off sorting it out, which is what you are wanting to achieve in the long run.
Perhaps put in a couple and leave the sections tagged with {{refimprovesect|date=June 2010}}. Feel free to reply, kind regards Captain n00dle\Talk 11:18, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

About your copy-editing...

Hi. I'm one of the editors that brought Beyond Good & Evil (video game) to GA status, as well as the one who requested a CP. Now, I'm confused. Why are you doing all of those strikings and taggings? Its kind-of scaring me. GamerPro64 (talk) 01:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, there's nothing to be scared about! Sorry, I didn't mean for the confusion. The strike tags are proposed for deletion. As for the tags, please click on "Edit" to reveal my comments. Davtra (talk) 01:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Hm... O.k. I guess I better get cracking on this. Thank you for CP-ing BG&E. GamerPro64 (talk) 01:42, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
No worries. I have never played or heard about the game. If something doesn't make sense, I'll notify you or in the article. I read the Featured Articles criteria and it looks very tough. I'll do what I can do improve the article. Thanks, Davtra (talk) 01:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Re Sack Tapping

Hello, I saw and appreciate your copyedit of Sack tapping. I left a note on its talkpage which reads: I saw the clarification tag and am not sure the "to whom" applies. Several of the cited stories say that charges could be filed but don't go into depth. Since this is most likely a misdeanor at this point, it would be up to the parents to file the case because most likely the local D.A. will not press charges unless the victim/parents step forward. Since the child has been bullied twice, loss of scrotum and removal from school to avoid long-term bullying, I doubt the parents will proceed with charges. Since all the detailed facts were not present and my suppositions would be original thought, I did not include it. How would someone write what I just said to clarify it? If you could look at its talkpage and reply there, I'd appreciate it.

Don't know if you are around but Sack tapping is taking major hits because it is a DYK frontpage item. Could you take a look at it? ----moreno oso (talk) 03:50, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
No worries. I think I can improve the article. Thanks, Davtra (talk) 04:45, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, that would be very much appreciated. I mentioned on its talkpage in the last section that today's bullying is much different and harder than previous generations'. What with Youtube, cam phones, viral videos and the ability to message such stuff - bullying can really take a kid down quickly. Basically, that's what happened with the Minnesota kid who lost his scrotum. ----moreno oso (talk) 04:55, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
The History section follows other WikiProject Psychologic type articles. It's important to show the evolution of fads/societal problems like this. I hope you saved the refs. I'd rather see a restoration as you deleted a large part of the article (almost 10 percent). ----moreno oso (talk) 06:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Don't worry. Nothing is actually deleted. Anyone can view the old content by going into the "View history" tab. Thanks, Davtra (talk) 06:40, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but now the lead is too long and doesn't follow the norm. With a History section, additional variations can be documented. In less than three months since sack tapping came to light, there are already two different variations. ----moreno oso (talk) 06:46, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe the introduction is too long. It summarizes the important aspects of the subject of the article (that is the purpose of the lead section). The only point in the History section was this: It has also been referred to as "Roshambo", a synonym for the game rock-paper-scissors, as a result of that name being used in a 1998 episode of South Park. That needs to be at least a paragraph long. The rest was repeated information. At this stage, I don't think it is important to include in article. Thanks, Davtra (talk) 06:55, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello, Honette. You have new messages at 220.101.28.25's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Hey I just learned how to 'outdent'! {{outdent}} 220 (talk) Contribs 11:05, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, outdent is useful. I have cheatsheet Thanks, Davtra (talk) 11:24, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Gulshan-e-Hadeed

Thanks for looking over the above mentioned article in response to my tags. I saw the tag left behind by you on behalf of your guild that states that the major copy editing is not possible at the current moment. I would greatly appreciate it if you could please find some time to clarify the intent behind the tag to me as I fail to see how could one go about fixing the article without being able to edit it.

Sincerely. Jim Logan Howlett (talk) 02:07, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, Jim Logan Howlett. At this stage, the article has several content issues: it may require a general cleanup, it may cause confusion to readers and material may not be appropriate for an encyclopedia. These content issues must be resolved before a copy edit is performed. You are completely free to improve the article by adding, editing, re-structuring or deleting inappropriate content.
Copy editors are not responsible for the content. Rather, they check for spelling, punctuation, clarity and grammar. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Thanks, Davtra (talk) 02:50, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Much obliged. Sincerely Jim Logan Howlett (talk) 03:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

The Copyeditor's Barnstar
I award you this barnstar because of your work at the Apostles of Linnaeus article! Esuzu (talk • contribs) 08:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Vuvuzela

Just a quick note to point out that the edit made by Rickyrab which you then readded (adding distinguish tag for Venezuela) has already been reverted by two different users, as it seems very unlikely that these terms would be confused (and there's certainly been no evidence provided showing that they have been frequently confused in external sources). Please discuss this issue on the talk page if you feel that the edit was constructive. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 10:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your courtesy message. The removal of the tag is no problem at all. I actually added the {{distinguish}} template to help Rickyrab (the way he did it was by adding a new section), and the reverting editor thought that was vandalism. Thanks, Davtra (talk) 10:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
No problem, just thought I'd let you know. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 10:36, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Vuvuzela

Just a note to thank you for coming to help with vuvuzela. It is clear to me that it is benefiting both from your input and from the further work of others. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 14:53, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments . I believe the lead section is looking very good. It's the rest of the content that needs sorting (and that is going to take days). Before editing, we/I need to know the aim and purpose of the Origin, Use at international tournaments and Controversy sections. If there is no aim or purpose, the sections will continue to be unstructured and messy. Davtra (talk) 23:52, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the article's talk page. Thanks, Davtra (talk) 03:43, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, and good luck with it. For a variety of reasons I am trying to stay away from that article for a while, at least. I am sure it now has a chance of heading in the right direction. Best wishes, DBaK (talk) 06:30, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the new note. I am pleased to see it looking in good shape - well done to you and the other stalwarts who stuck with it. I'm unlikely to return any time soon but I will keep an interested eye on it. Cheers DBaK (talk) 22:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I come bearing gifts!

Hello, per your request, I've granted you Rollback rights! Just remember:

If you have any questions, please do let me know.

--You didn't actually ask for it, I'm just in a good mood, but I can't be bothered to change my template! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:02, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Cheers for the gift  Davtra  (talk) 03:07, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Vuvuzelas

Hey mate can you please take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vuvuzela#Muting_the_sound_of_Vuvuzelas ? Thanks a lot :)

--Ruij999 (talk) 11:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I replied.  Davtra  (talk) 11:14, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Russian anthem

I will go for FAC again, but wanted to see if you want to make more changes before I send it again. I will personally check a few non-grammar things, like dead links. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

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