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Good article on Australian singlets

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/singlets-part-of-the-game/2005/10/07/1128563002355.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.60.25 (talk) 09:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

This is the better article to merge into, because it is about the article of clothing, rather than a specific terminology for it. The specific terms can redirect to this page, and any issues regarding those specific terms can be put into sections on this page. Kcumming 02:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-- The "wife-beater is a specific term for a ribbed sleeveless undershirt. It is important that it have its own article, as it is distinct from a tank top.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.106.202.169 (talk)

The term "wife beater," while common in the vernacular, is not the technical name for the article of clothing in question. I think renaming this article to reflect the retail name of the product and discuss other terms used for it within that article. It makes more sense to merge. 71.199.186.236 02:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-- These articles are so similar and short (except the wife-beater article) that they should be put together. I think a combined article could benefit from a lot of its content being about the similarities of sleeveless t-shirts, with sections on the differences of specific types. Slippyd 19:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree to merge it - I'm an Aussie - and never heard this reference before. FoolesTroupe 12:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another vote for merge: simply have a separate section on the use of this particular term. Sholom 15:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the merge. The wifebeater article is just about a slang term for the same thing. Spylab 11:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-- Suggestion to add term "Dago-T":

A friend in Chicago asked, "Have you any idea what article of gangsta-type male clothing a 'wife-beater' is? ..."

When I sent her the Wiki Sleeveless_shirt link, she replied, "Oh, a 'Dago-T', which the Wikipedia article doesn't mention. That's what they've been called in Chicago as long as I've been alive [1940's]... So, they can call this shirt a 'wife-beater' but 'Dago-T' is off limits? Interesting dichotomy..."

Google of Dago-T returns ~1720 results.

And in Scotland, underneath your "sark" (shirt) you would wear a "semmit" or vest.

WoodenBooks 18:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion reigns

All of these terms seem very contentious. After reading the discussion at the Wifebeater (shirt) article and here I can't help feeling that all of these articles are too US-centric. I have never heard the term wifebeater used to describe clothing in Australia and although manufacturers might call some of these articles A-shirts no one here would know what they were talking about.

To me there is also a big difference between a singlet (which originally was an undergarment only, has narrow stips of material going over the shoulders and a low neck) and a sleeveless t-shirt (which is exactly that - a t-shirt without sleeves). Singlets are also called tank tops in Australia, but the name has a somewhat outdated 70s feel to it.

☸ Moilleadóir 05:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC) ☏[reply]

For the section entitled "A-shirt", I'd vote for changing that to "tank top" seeing that term is recognised internationally by English speaking people for the style that section describes, whereas "A-shirt" is certainly not.OzoneO (talk) 15:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tank top, AmE vs BrE

There seem to be three definitions here: the one worn under a shirt, the one worn as a shirt and the one worn over a shirt. I've occasionally come across the term used here in Britain to mean the one worn as a shirt, though it probably isn't very common. Indeed, I don't think it's overly common under any meaning here and now. And I don't think I've heard before of "tank top" used anywhere to mean the undergarment.

I think we may need some clearer viewpoints, both British and American. No doubt some of you out there have good first-hand experiences of the term and could clarify what you understand by it.... -- Smjg 11:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Squared sport tank?

There is an increasingly popular style of sleeveless shirt referred to here as a "squared muscle tank" (it is visible better if you select white). I think there is another name for them, but I can't find it. It has *thick* shoulder straps and is squared off on the neckline and on the back. Anyone familliar with this? --Kidd Loris 15:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would consider that a wider spaghetti strap tank top. - hmwith talk 20:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tagliatelle strap? -- Smjg 16:34, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What? hmwith talk 22:34, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

removing text that does not appear on "edit" page

Could someone more well-versed than I on editing removing the phrase that has been inserted into the first line of this definition? (Phrase should be obvious, begins: "it is used to wipe...") I went to edit to remove it, but it does not show up on that page - don't know how that's done or how to undo it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.78.178 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC) ETA - went back to definition - already done - thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.78.178 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fix photo caption

Whenever I change anything in WP it gets reverted, so this comment is just a note to point out that the photo is of a gentleman wearing an A-shirt, the caption incorrectly identifies it as a muscle shirt (which itself brings two types of clothing to my mind- sleeveless tees with finished armholes (the "muscle tee") or tank tops. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.216.237.157 (talk • contribs)

Which a-shirt photo?

Left: It's more stereotypical of the style - tight to the skin, showing muscles, etc... Plus, better quality photo. --Dan Leveille^TALK 03:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can't we find one that is better than either of the two? It should be white, high quality, and tight. Someone get a friend to take a picture of them in one (I'm a female, so I don't think it will have the same effect if I did it of myself). нмŵוτн τ 04:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The focus must also be on the shirt, not the model. нмŵוτн τ 16:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the page w/ a third option, hope it shines and sparkles Jlr64 (talk) 20:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which A-shirt etymology?

I notice there are two etymologies given for the term "A-shirt": one, in the opening section, claims that the shirt "resembles the letter A" when laid flat; the other, in the section "A-Shirt", claims that it is short for "athletic shirt". I have no idea which is true (if either). I think the discrepancy should be at least noted, if not resolved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktkeith (talk • contribs) 20:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of term 'wifebeater'

I don't think the people referred to are actually beating their wives *with* these shirts, wet or otherwise, it's just that a lot of guys arrested for domestic violence in warmer climates seem to be wearing them at the time. Perhaps unsurprisingly. The term is also likely offensive to those who regard it as condoning the act or belittling its consequences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.61.160.116 (talk) 12:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the term is offensive, it refers to men classless enough to both beat their wives and to wear this for purposes not intended. In reality, it refers to only the white "undershirt" A-shirt, not to NBA-type jerseys or the like.76.17.118.157 (talk) 05:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I-Shirt vs. Shooter shirt

Is there any difference between an I-shirt and a shooter shirt? I can't seem to find any evidence of the term "I-shirt" being used to describe what is in this article. Paulish (talk) 22:05, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted reference to an "I-shirt" as there were no citations for over a year.76.17.118.157 (talk) 06:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Undershirt vs. Jersey

Greetings,

I think this article needs to make a bigger difference between the an "A-shirt" or mens' tank top as an undershirt an as a sports jersey. White, ribbed-cotton A-shirts are intended to be worn as an undergarment and is a sign of "low" or no class to be worn in public as the main shirt. On the other hand, NBA-type jerseys are colored, made of material other than cotton, not ribbed, and made to be worn in sporting events such as basketball, track, etc. If someone said "wifebeater" it is referring to the white undershirt, not to the sportswear.76.17.118.157 (talk) 05:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article/article cleanup

At the very least, the primary sub-categories used in this article should be terms recognized in the media and used in stores.

Terms such as "wifebeater," "shooter shirt," etc. should only be used as alternate designations.

I have already deleted a lot of the "non-sense." What is an I-shirt? No citations. A "cutoff shirt" could be a T-shirt with the lower part cut off, exposing the navel. Therefore, it's not a real category, so I deleted that too. The act of cutting is usually something done informally...do we see stores selling "cutoff" shirts?76.17.118.157 (talk) 06:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

==Merged "muscle" shirt with "sleeveless T-shirt".

Most sources use the terms "muscle shirt" and "sleeveless T-shirt" interchangeably:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-muscle-shirt.htm

Note that the "product description" for the Russell Athletic "muscle" shirt uses the term "sleeveless T-shirt":

http://www.amazon.com/Russell-Athletic-Cotton-Muscle-Shirt/dp/B0007G96YI

Product Description Show off your body in ultimate comfort with the Russell Athletic® Cotton Sleeveless tee offering a durable construction for active wear.

Also in another example, the term is used for both shirts with slight-cutout for the shoulder area and shoulder area completely covered:

http://www.freshpair.com/mens/t-shirts/muscle-shirts.html

However, the "strap" version is called a "tank."

Where one draws the line? I think, for basic purposes, "A-shirt" and "sleeveless T-shirt" describe most of these shirts, if not all. The only exception might be the kind of sideless shirt, like this one worn by actor Colton Haynes:

http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/archive/2010/01/02/chace_crawford_a_mimosa_man_photos.php?img=10&gfmt=m#alpha-inner

I'm not sure what to call THAT.

If anyone wants to re-organize this mess, go ahead, but I think it's better the way it is now.Ryoung122 06:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sleeveless T-shirt/muscle shirt needs a photo

Greetings,

All the photos show primarily female garments except one (the man in the white A-shirt). A second photo, showing a sleeveless T-shirt/muscle shirt, would be useful.Ryoung122 06:57, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History section

Most of this article is just a description of various wear. A history section that includes evolving uses, benefits, social acceptance (or not), and problems (as mentioned, A-shirts as undershirts don't give as much stain protection as T-shirts do) is needed. References are needed as well (I already provided one above).

There might be a need to split this article into a womens" section and mens' section.Ryoung122 06:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]