Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Company of Death

Company of Death

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I have check on Google for search results for the article, all it turns to be a catering company based in Manhattan, New York City, New York. I suspect that the article may be a hoax. I suggest this article should be deleted because of that. Also, Cunibertus should be blocked for disruptive editing. --JJ98 (talk) 01:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

user Jj98 should be blocked because he is incompetent and consequently unapt to do anything useful on wikipedia or an hoax himself, if he would be somehow limitedly competent he should have looked for medieval historical matters or also for classical theater operas as I would suggest him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_battaglia_di_Legnano facebook would be also a useful source for him, considering his cultural limits http://www.facebook.com/photo_search.php?oid=49135283761&view=all if mr JJ98 had any interest in military history I would also suggest him http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/battleswars10011200/p/legnano.htm http://burnpit.legion.org/2010/05/battle-of-legnano-italians-defeat-frederick-barbarossa%E2%80%99s-germans/ but the links to the related articles of the battle of Legnano and Alberto da Giussano are also clearly present on the page of the article. I would also ask why people whose specific interests, and I would hope competence, is in totally different areas of expertise, as for Mr JJ98 in tv soap operas or another one in eastern european matters, would say anything in areas where the same individual hasn't clearly any notion about as is the medieval history of Italy frankly the absurd number of incompetent individuals I have to increasingly suffer on wikipedia is quietly annoing and a bigger minus for the whole project itself. Cunibertus (talk) 01:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as hoax. Supposed founder Alberto da Giussano is probably fiction, as says article about him and fictional person cannot establish company. If it not hoax, this Company lacks notability. --Yopie (talk) 07:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't assume that the unit is a myth just because the person is a myth. After all, Bugs Bunny is an Honorary United States Marine. Fiction could have been applied to a real entity well after the fact. As to the veracity of the hoax claim itself, it's hard to tell since I can't read Italian, which all three sources are written in. I'd lean towards not, since the has survived since September 2007. bahamut0013^words _deeds 21:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. —Yopie (talk) 07:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know many historical persons are considered legendary including William Tell, Zoroaster and Bogomil ? According with your no-logic you should propose also the delation of every article related to Switzerland as it has never been created as its legendary founder is a fictionous personage evidently someone ignores that in pre-modern times the use of a collective pseudonym was quietly common to designate the related realizations of a group of individuals, evidently someone never read the jewish or the christian Bible (forex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah#Authorship) and for a better research about the Company of Death, which is simply a spinoff of the article of the Battle of Legnano ((Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL), (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL), (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)) about the relevance of the Company of Death, "Battaglia di Legnano" picture made between 1860-70 by Amos Cassioli, Florence, Galleria d'Arte Moderna di Palazzo Pitti portrying a Knight of the Company of Death with the symbol of the skull and bones on his suit it is related to the main article to which it is linked, The Battle of Legnano [1] and of course to the Barbarossa, the History of the Holy Roman Empire. In the long term the decline of imperial power would divide Germany until the 19th century the Investiture Controversy. The dispute did not end with the Concordat of Worms. There would be future disputes between popes and Holy Roman Emperors, until northern Italy was lost to the Empire entirely. The Church would turn the weapon of Crusade against the Holy Roman Empire under Frederick II. According to Norman Cantor: The investiture controversy had shattered the early-medieval equilibrium and ended the interpenetration of ecclesia and mundus. Medieval kingship, which had been largely the creation of ecclesiastical ideals and personnel, was forced to develop new institutions and sanctions. The result during the late eleventh and early twelfth centuries, was the first instance of a secular bureaucratic state whose essential components appeared in the Anglo-Norman monarchy."[14] Once again I have to complain about the interference on wiki of poorly competent individuals in matters they haven't any notion about. Cunibertus (talk) 09:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 14:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Woah, stop folks. It's not a company as in business, it's a company as in a band of brothers. What on earth makes you think it's a hoax? To me it looks like a piece of italian historical research, badly phrased in English. Keep and rephrase slightly. Chris (talk) 15:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chronicon Vincentii Canonici Pragensis in Monumenta historica Boemiae by Fr. Gelasius Dobner (1764)

apparently we have a czech who ignores his country has been a vassal state of the Holy Roman Empire (and in the specific of the Hohenstaufen dynasty who prized them with the dignity of the Kingdom of Bohemia), his clergy had served Frederick I Barbarossa and Frederick II Hohenstaufen (and wrote chronicles about the events they directly partecipated, as a Vincenzo canonico di Praga or in latin Vincenti Canonici Pragensis , who were later used by more recent historians as Pietro Verri for their histories of Italy and Milan, see http://www.enricopantalone.com/ladistruzionedimilanoelesueconseguenze.html), that a chosen guard of 300 czechs knights usually served the above mentioned emperors in the italian campaigns and the same knight guard leaded the imperial forces who stormed Milan in 1162 AD (http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Storia_di_Milano/Capitolo_VII). An interesting detail from a czech who would claim to be an expert of medieval italian history and apparently isn't, of course he could be somehow aware that italians and czechs are ennemies traditionnels or nemici storici, as the traditional friends of Italy in eastern europe have always been Hungary and Poland, but that could also raise the light suspect that the above mentioned individual is pursuing some personal weird agenda with political connotations in the event he isn't simply ill-informedCunibertus (talk) 22:12, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]