User talk:Satrughna02

Hello, Satrughna02, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page provides helpful information for new users - please check it out! If you need help, visit Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Happy editing! Paxse (talk) 14:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lost wax

Excellent find on the lost wax images! I can't believe those have been in Wikipedia Commons for so long without being in this article, it's a major improvement. -Verdatum (talk) 18:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those images are originally from the Spanish wikipedia, so the credit really goes to professor José-Manuel Benito Álvarez. I stumbled upon them some time ago, looking for images for the Dutch Wikipedia. Since no-one caught the hint, I figured I might as well put them on the English site myself. Glad you approve!--Satrughna02 (talk) 18:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sathya Sai Baba

I did abandon the page, as I had lost any and all faith I had once held for the editors that, up until a rather large edit war, I thought were really making progress toward reaching an agreement on several key points on the page. However, after a short wikibreak to clear my head, I returned to the article, and hope that you will join in the discussions that will hopefully take place in the future. Best wishes, Onopearls ^(t/c) 17:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lewis

Hi Satrughna, I contributed to the first three sentences of the Lewis (lifting appliance) article as it currently reads. I also did some work on categorising masonary tools.Gregorydavid (talk) 11:41, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll answer the original question on your own talk page--Satrughna (talk) 17:43, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pointing machine

My fault, I was disambiguating links to [[model]] and assumed that since the second one ("scan a model and can produce it ... in any desired size") implied a scale model, the first ("accurately copy plaster, clay or wax sculpture models into wood or stone") would also - I didn't read the sentence "Enlarged or reduced scale sculptures are not possible via this method" under the heading "Use".

Thus, you've undone my first dab, with comment "A pointing machine is not used for scale models, only 1:1 copies are possible", which is fair enough; but that now links to a disambiguation page again, so it needs fixing again - if Scale model is not suitable, what would be best? --Redrose64 (talk) 09:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Redrose, that was exactly what I was running into, perhaps it would be best to rephrase it. I thought of: A pointing machine is a measuring tool used by sculptors to accurately copy plaster, clay or wax sculpture drafts into wood or stone. But that didn't work out either, neither did sketch and mockup, and to just leave it as sculpture seems irrational: why would anyone take the trouble to first make a sculpture and then copy it? The wording wouldn't explain the process of making a sculpture out of a malleable substance first, before copying it into a more durable material. So I still haven't figured it out, mostly because, as a non-native speaker, I'm probably not familiar enough with the appropriate terms. If you have a suggestion, please help me out in this. I didn't like to refer to a disambiguation page either! So I'm a little stuck here, hope you can remedy it... Anyway, the article needs revision by a native speaker as well. It being an obscure branch of sculpture nowadays, it doesn't attract much attention of other Wikipedians, apart from the occasional bot, so there haven't been any spelling and style edits yet. Greetings and thanks, --Satrughna (talk) 09:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, the articles Scale model and Model (physical) both imply a scale other than 1:1. In the metal foundry industry, the final casting (a positive) is made in a mould (a negative), which is usually made of sand. The sand mould is itself produced from a positive, which in a traditional (ie non CAD/CAM) foundry is called a pattern and is usually made of wood. This pattern is thus an exact representation of the finished article, at 1:1, but wood instead of iron.

If pattern and mockup are unsuitable, try prototype (see also Wiktionary:prototype "An original object or form which is a basis for other objects, forms, or for its models and generalizations"). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redrose64 (talk • contribs) 10:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, that would be the best link. Thanks Redrose!--Satrughna (talk) 11:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed a couple

of captions of pictures that you had been editing. The fellow carving the angel capitol is likely a stone carver not a sculptor. The sculptor would have probably created a clay and then plaster angel (well, a plaster caster would have done that last part) which was then given to a carver who carved it. So I changed the word "sculptor" to carver" but have retained your link. I hope that this makes sense. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Einar, that'll be the language difference: in my native language (Dutch) both are called sculptor, albeit the creative one is just called sculptor and the other one the 'restoration sculptor' or 'construction sculptor', if translated literally. (we do both the design and the execution of it, by the way). I'm okay with that. I only object to both being called stonemasons, because that is something different altogether. But just executing such a work, even in commission, takes a very high degree of skill (and even creativity), so some stone carvers would have been perfectly capable of being good sculptors as well. It is a bit like the difference between the Italian 'artisani' versus the 'scultori', isn't it? I only just changed the name of the picture from stonemason into stone sculptor. I should have known this, then it could have been 'stonecarver at work.jpg' instead of the present title... Greetings, Satrughna (talk) 19:11, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To the best of my knowledge, 'sculptor' refers to both stone carvers and clay modelers. When I studied sculpture at the Art Students League with Jose de Creeft in the 1960s, the designation "sculptor" was used for both. That is in the USA, and in England usage may be different.

Concerning pointing machines, frequently in the past a clay model was made by the artist (sculptor), either full size or less than full size, and the work was copied into stone, using pointing machines, by stone carvers. For instance, of all Rodin's sculpture in marble, perhaps only one small piece was carved by him. All the rest were copied by carvers in studios that specialized in such work from his clay originals. The return to carving by the artists themselves occurred in the early 20th century, perhaps starting with Eric Gill. 173.52.134.182 (talk) 11:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, enlargement and reduction can be done using a pointing machine. At a carving studio in Florence, I watched the carvers there doing that every day during the month or so I worked there (many years ago). 173.52.134.182 (talk) 12:11, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These are all good insights and I agree with (I think) everything being said. Having said that, it is my belief that, at least in the USA and probably most of Western Europe the difference between carvers and sculptors gets erased only with the advent of direct carvers such as Gill and then later folks such as de Creeft. And speaking of de Creeft, I wish our anonymous poster were registered because I have a long term project going on that involves, among many other sculptors, de Creeft. I have a picture with 75 sculptors in it from 1949 (??) and am trying to identify them. gotta run. Carptrash (talk) 17:47, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Salve, Carptrash.

I have a user account, but can't actually use it because I have been banned from WP six ways from Sunday. None of the problems that got me sent into wiki-exile had anything to do with the arts, and I still try to fix up some articles on subjects that interest me. My Wikimedia Commons account is still working and, if you should be curious, you can find who I am by going to the Commons site, and checking the last edit to File:Atelier de sculpture-Cathédrale-Strasbourg.jpg. 173.52.134.182 (talk) 18:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]