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A question

Got a question for you! I am considering doing an article on a single regular season baseball game, the July 10, 1932 Athletics-Indians game, which is interesting for a lot of reasons, due to the "blue laws", the Athletics had to play on the road on that Sunday, for a one game series with the Indians, meantime they were playing 4 home doubleheaders on the days around the game (9 games in 5 days), so Mack took only two pitchers (he was also saving on train fare), Lew Krausse Sr. left the game after an inning (supposedly knocked out although I am not sure, more research needed), and Eddie Rommel came in, and pitched the rest of the game, which ended 18-17 Athletics after 18 innings, and all sorts of records were set. It may also have led to the abolition of the Pennsylvania blue laws (more research needed). I'm concerned about the possibility of an AfD. Thoughts? Thanks,--Wehwalt (talk) 11:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to get you started, here's the Retrosheet game log for the A's in 1932:[3] which shows they played 6 doubleheaders in the space of less than 2 weeks - in late June and early July, in the daytime, which must have been fun. NOT. "Knocked out" could mean literally or could be figuratively "knocked out of the box", which left that poor sap Rommel to pitch the other 17 innings (although surely they could have brought a position player in to pitch if it came to that). I recommend starting the article as a sub-page under your user ID, which will keep the deletion-happy editors away from it, and accumulate information until it looks good and "notable". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:03, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I googled [cleveland indians july 10 1932] just to see what would turn up. It seems that Johnny Burnett (baseball) set a single-game record by collecting 9 hits that day (a fact documented in his article). A list of records set in that game would be a good bit of info, especially any records that still stand, such as Burnett's. Another interesting one-game situation, noted in the the Billy Maharg article, was the game the Tigers played against the A's in 1912 when the Tigers players staged a one-day strike after Ty Cobb was suspended for attacking a fan. On that occasion, the A's pounded the rag-tag team the Tigers put together. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know, and Jimmie Fox hit 3 home runs, and the 29 hits against poor Rommel were a major league record too. I am hoping to go to Cooperstown and spend a day researching there, perhaps in November. I am hoping I can tie the game to the abolition of the blue laws, which helped lead to the ridiculous situation. I agree, I will do it in my userspace. I've been looking for a sports topic on which to do a FA from scratch, and this game has been my best candidate. It all depends on how much in terms of articles and so forth they have up there. Thanks for the sheet. I think Krausse must have been injured, I can hardly see Mack going to the bullpen so early with only one pitcher out there for any other reason. Mack was obviously unwilling to invest many resources in winning this game with all the doubleheaders going on. Incidentally, with the win, the A's got as close to the Yankees as they ever would get the rest of the season. Lots of interesting stuff, and I'll keep you posted on it!--Wehwalt (talk) 23:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know for sure what the National Baseball Library would have on it, but you could probably find out a fair amount by getting hold of newspaper coverage via microfilm, for Cleveland and Philadelphia, at least for the game itself. I have a 1970s book called The Scrapbook History of Baseball, and on page 138 it has a "clipping" about that game, titled "Records Flop As Athletics Take Indians". Unfortunately, it does not say why Krausse was taken out in the first inning. As far as blue laws are concerned, the first legal Sunday home games for the A's were in April of 1934, and it's possible contemporary newspaper coverage would have spoken about what led to the abolition of that particular blue law. There's a book from the 1990s called To Everything a Season, by Bruce Kuklick, which discusses the blue law situation on pages 70-72, but it does not mention the 1932 game. It does say the A's tried various tactics to pressure the government into abolishing the Sunday baseball ban, and that for 1934 the state gave local governments the option to override the state blue laws. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see you wrote the original article 3 years. What was your source for "knocked out"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't remember, I was a lot sloppier back then. We're talking about the Krausse and Rommel articles? I would expect that the Hall of Fame would have a large number of clippings from that era, that kinda thing. I would get in touch with them first. I've read the NY Times article as I have access to their archives, it is fairly uniformative.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:16, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a Google Books reference to a Baseball Digest article on the game.[4] It doesn't shed much additional light. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, but it is a good little article which catches most of what I had learned (except that it doesn't say that Mack's goal was also to save trainfare). And it still doesn't say why Krausse was relieved. I do like Mack's comment at the end of the game ... I would like to have seen BD's bibliography on this.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In searching for this game, I haven't seen anything to suggest that Krausse was literally "knocked out", just that he didn't pitch well and Mack replaced him, which he might not have done if he knew the game was going to go so long - but if he had left him in, maybe it would have finished in 8 1/2! ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, obviously Mack had no idea what would happen, and it was 1932, when pitchers were expected to finish the game, so Mack believed Rommel would do what was necessary, which he did. Just a bad managerial decision that wound up turning out OK. I wonder if the sportswriters following the team dared ask Mr. Mack any questions about it on the train ride back to Philly.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Given that he was constantly trying to get the officials to lift the blue laws, he might have done it on purpose. But they crossed him up, by winning. I think your best bet would be to look for local coverage, in Cleveland and in Philly, the day after the game. They would probably have more info than the N.Y. Times would. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:16, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and the day after that as well, the sportswriters may not have had time to file all their thoughts before jumping on that train. Fortunately the game only took 4:05, and there were a lot of trains in those days.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

4:05. What a marathon. Still, it's long compared with the 3:50 that was needed to play those 26 innings in 1920. I would think, though, that the next day's papers would at least indicate why the pitcher was taken out, or at least clarify if he was literally or just figuratively "knocked out". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt he was knocked unconscious, I'm more interested in whether he was injured or not. Besides, I've been to Cooperstown only twice and would enjoy going again, once the summer crowds clear. Of course, the 26 innings was 1-1, wasn't it? I remember going to bed as a 12 year old listening to the Mets-Cardinals game, woke up in the morning the Mets had lost in 25 innings, the longest decision ever.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Local papers might say. More likely than the Times, which would have merely given a game summary. By all means, go to Cooperstown! Even you don't find any new data, at least you were there. Yes, the 26 inning game was 1-1, with both starters going the full 26. I also recall that Cardinals-Mets 25 inning game, from 1974.[5] As I recall, I heard the early part of the game on the radio, then went to my part-time job which ran from 8 pm to midnight, and was surprised to find the game still going when I left work. I think it finally ended around 1:00 a.m. central time. My favorite moment was when the ultra-tired Jack Buck truncated the usual post-game disclaimer by simply saying, "This game is presented under the authority of major league baseball - and is prohibited!" I think the White Sox had a 25-inning game sometime during the 1980s, but it was suspended and completed the next day, which seems like cheating somehow. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That White Sox game was in 1984[6] and it was actually suspended after 17 and they played 8 more innings the next day before the Sox finally won it. And as I recalled correctly, Harold Baines hit the walk-off in the last of 25th. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:07, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Though somewhat shorter, I have memories of the 16 inning Mets Astros playoff game from '86. I watched the first nine innings at home, then listened to it on the train on the way to grad school. Couldn't listen to it on the PATH train, but the final two innings in class at NYU, with the professor very tolerant, especially when I announced the Mets victory.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anyhow, how should the article be named?--Wehwalt (talk) 19:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there enough material for a full article, or should it be an expanded portion of an article on lengthy games? Another angle might be what BBD did, which is to call it one of the odder relief appearances. In fact, is it the longest relief effort ever? I think you should run this by the baseball project page and see what a wider audience has to say about it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dunno. May not know until I get up there. May be best to wait until I do.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you pose the same basic question at the project page, you might find someone who knows more about it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I'll prepare something then.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Corn

Well, if you will, I have the advantage of not being American. :) Please feel free to comment further on Talk:Corn. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't get upset. (I could just as easily tell you that you ignored the questions that I asked...) It's just a matter of being bold to tilt the compromise slightly more in one direction over the other. At the same time, I didn't use my admin rights to e.g. lock it in this position, anyone is free to revert. The end result is still a compromise, and one in which the title of the page users end up at is called the way Europeans call it, so it just can't be said that it's tilted all the way in the Americans' favor. Based on my reading of the discussions (2007 onwards!), it is slightly more appropriate this way. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:30, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just wondering

What ever became of Techmobowl and What's his name? Just wondering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GEbyabe (talk • contribs) 19:20, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User:J1mj4m

Hi Baseball Bugs. Hope all is well. I recently came across this report you made at WP:AIV. I know I already blocked J1mj4m as a sockpuppet of LC, but I'm interested in knowing what made you think that this particular user was a sockpuppet. I was asked via email to clarify the reason behind the block, but all I could say was that you had much experience dealing with LC and that I trusted your judgment. I look forward to your reply. Best, FASTILY ^(TALK) 02:44, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My suspicions are based on two things: (1) That he went to that particular IP address, out of the blue, which was already blocked as an LC sock; and (2) that LC has been active tonight in general. If you're convinced he's not LC, you could unblock him. But I would like to hear his explanation of why he went to that one particular IP and posted a fake "unblocked" notice. If he's not a sock of LC, he's a sock of somebody, almost for sure. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I too have spoken to the user in question and I have had a few misgivings but AGFed what he said. He does seem to want a lot of tools but is willing to work for it. If he is Light Current, he is a pretty damn good actor in my opinion. I do think the IP address thing is pretty damning and would support it if you blocked him. If you look at his userpage history, the fact that he created a subsection on me and then deleted it is pretty creepy in and of itself. If the user is indeed a sock, I was duped for two hours of my life on IRC though. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:21, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain

How Lion barmen (talk · contribs)'s edits constitute harassment and trolling. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 03:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He came from nowhere and his first edit was a baiting comment directed at me. He's not a newbie, he's a sock. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Prove it. Their edits after that seemed fine. Or did you not check that?~~ Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:31, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably Light current pretending to be an idiot. But I'm sure you'll figure that out soon enough. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:32, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It may be. OK, I take it back, but if you've seen the amount of people throwing shit at IP/new editors in the past few days that didn't deserve it, you'd probably be agitated too. Sorry. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe that's because a lot of trolls seem to have come out from under their rocks in the last few days. You can fix it now or fix it later, that's up to you. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not really sure what you mean by fix it. I mean, look at this page, for example.[7] I've just come back from a break and the first thing I see is people being excessively bitey. I didn't see their first edit until you pointed it out. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:39, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Steve, can I interest you to read this (compiled by a wise ole' sage)? BTW, BB and I we are frequent targets of such cowardice behaviours by supposedly new users, no prize for guessing who them assless chaps are. Best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦№1185♪♫™} 08:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

user:J1mJ4m

If you think that I am a sockpuppet of Light Current, and J1mJ4m one of my socks, then why have you not blocked J1mJ4m? I have no idea who that user is, and I am certainly NOT a sock of Light Current. Basically, Im writing this message to inform you that I am going to start getting shitty with you. If you accept that I am not a sock of LC, then we are done and I shall never hassle you again. However, if you continue to block me as an LC sock, then I will come back with a new IP from this range. And if you range block me, I will switch service provider. I will not go away until you admit you were wrong. I will await your apology, but somehow I suspect admitting you are wrong in front of everyone else is beyond your capabilities, hence I shan't hold my breath. Like I say, if you do come round, then I shall leave and we can both stop wasting our time. So bugs, are you man enough to admit you made a mistake? 79.75.131.158 (talk) 16:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have no authority to block anyone. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:17, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

For the help rendered, and as you've put it nicely... some Admins can be overreacting sometimes as they fail to check through properly before conducting such overbearing revokes without even batting half an eyelid. Best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™} 17:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A hare's burrow is his castle

I'm sure this ranks as canvassing (although I think it's on the current Centralized Discussion template), but Elmer and the humorless Fuddsters are out to dynamite your burrow again. (No respect for a venerated septuagenarian!) See: Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Does_WP:NOTMYSPACE_apply_to_secret_pages? —— Shakescene (talk) 09:06, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's a song, "Too Much Time on My Hands". Luckily, my not-so-secret page actually is linked from elsewhere, so it ain't much of a secret. But it's good to know the rest of wikipedia is in such model condition that there's time for focusing on such trivia. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trains...

This may be of dubious taste, but it had impeccable comedic timing! I nearly snorted tea out of my nose... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then. Somewhere, Il Duce and Der Fuehrer are doing likewise, but maybe just because the tea they get where they are is really hot. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Socks?!?

Hello BB, mind taking a look at this? Note that his first edit mentioned you and then out of nowhere he pops on my page to troll... so by my dead reckoning, he must be a sock of someone you know. Thoughts~? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦№1185♪♫™} 04:55, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's being discussed on WP:ANI now. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Koochi koochi koo~! =P --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦№1185♪♫™} 05:57, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And blocked now. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 06:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you kindly. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks to you both. --John (talk) 06:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes yes, I would like to thank you three~! (Read up also on WP:OWB#8 & WP:OWB#26.) =P --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦№1185♪♫™} 06:25, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Retirement

I am getting a bit tired of the routine again, and I may retire from the Englist Wikipedia at the end of the hear. This should be bad news for my friends and good news for my enemies. By Baseball Bugs, 8/12/2010.