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Jmh649

Voice your opinion on this candidate (talk page) (50/13/13); Scheduled to end 07:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Nomination

Jmh649 (talk · contribs) – Jmh649 has been around for a few years now. He has been a content-heavy editor, with some serious contributions to almost every important medicine-related article in the project. He has shown an interest in maintenance and namespace work. There have been a few tough patches, such as a scrap over Rorschach test, but if anything he acted in an exemplary fashion and it will have given him experience in dispute resolution. I think the tools will be very useful in his ongoing contributions to Wikipedia, and I think it highly unlikely that he will abuse them. JFW | T@lk 23:14, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: JFW has been one of my mentors and I accept and appreciate his nomination. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
A: I hope to use admin tools in a number of ways including: protecting pages that get frequent vandalism, blocking vandals, protecting pages with "pending changes" if this tool becomes permanent, and moving pages to articles names that may already exist as redirects ( which requires a page delete ).
2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
A: I have brought four articles to GA. The one I am most proud of is Obesity however am also proud of gout, croup and strep throat. I have uploaded hundreds of images [1] mostly pertaining to medicine and added them to their appropriate pages. During the Rorschach debate I feel I generated positive coverage for Wikipedia on both television and in the international press as seen under media mentions here. User:Lokal Profil and I worked together to create over a hundred maps to illustrate the epidemiology of diseases some of which can be viewed here [2]. Other work I am currently involved in include: efforts to get a Canadian Chapter of Wikimedia up and running [3], a collaborative paper with 19 other Wikipedians from WP:MED regarding Wikipedia's coverage of medical content to be published shortly in the Journal of Medical Internet Research, and arranging the acquisition of a few hundred high quality images of rare medical conditions such as the one I uploaded here.
I exert an effort to increase Wikipedia's visibility in the medical literature. I have provided images to the NHS as seen on page 11 of this document [4] and requested that they include not only myself but Wikipedia as a reference. I have also done the same for the coming edition of Tintinalli to come out in Oct 2010.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I have gotten involved in a number of debates including ones involving abortion, the Rorschach test, and Transcendental Meditation. I find the most important thing is using the best avaliable evidence from the best avaliable sources then getting input from other Wikipedians through either WP:MED or the notice boards always keeping in mind that Wikipedia is a work in progress.
Additional optional question from Doc Quintana
4. Give me your interpretation of when IAR is appropriate
A: I interpret IAR to mean that one should use common sense, that one does not need to know all the rules and regulations to begin or to continue contributing to the encyclopedia. As an example in medical related topics there is a balance between presenting information in a consistent format and presenting information in a logical order. We have WP:MEDMOS which lists the preferred order however sometimes in conditions that are primarily of historical significance the history section should come first, in others the classification of the disease may be do complicated to be listed first and is really only relevant after an introduction to the condition.
Additional optional question from Paralympiakos
5. Could you please explain the use of rollback in edits such as this? Some people choose to use rollback for edits that are self-explanatory. It might be my ignorance and lack of knowledge regarding the subject, but these edits (there are a dozen or so in the last 500 contribs) don't seem like one of those occasions to me. Paralympiakos (talk) 09:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A: (from Jfdwolff) - this is from a series of internal spam-like activity from RXPhd (talk · contribs) who was dumping List of pharmaceutical companies to all sorts of pages. Giving individual edit summaries would have been very tedious. JFW | T@lk 09:45, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A:Thanks JFD here are some difs that explains matters further: This editor added a see also link to List of pharmaceutical companies to nearly 100 hundred pages from erectile dysfunction [5] to clinical trials [6]. A user posted a concern here [7] and requests to stop were posted by a number of users on this users talk page [8] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:48, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Ok then. I saw what looked like a genuine attempt by the "spammer" to discuss the matter, but upon researching, fair enough. I'm happy enough with the answer. Paralympiakos (talk) 09:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Additional optional questions from Salvio giuliano
6. When, if ever, would you block an editor who hasn't received four warnings?
A: I would block those who have have made obvious legal threats. This is something Wikipedia needs to take seriously. I spent 8 months with legal counsel defending myself after the Rorschach test issue as a Wikipedia editor filled multiple real life complaints against me. Thankfully I am insured but not everyone is so lucky. Here BTW is an article [9]. I will comment further as has been requested. A block is appropriate if one has good reason to believe it will prevent immediate damage to Wikipedia. Specific justification is listed here Wikipedia:Blocking_policy
7. When, if ever, would indef an IP editor?
A: IP address should never be indef blocked as the people who use an specific IP addresses change. A year would be a maximum and only after multiple shorter blocks.
Additional optional questions from Beetstra
8. What are the Local spam blacklist and the Meta spam blacklist, what are they for, and which are the (core) policies and guidelines that they relate to. How should this functionality be used (also in conjunction with the Local Spam-whitelist and/or XLinkBot)? What would you look at if you were (to handle a request) to blacklist an abused site (I'm using the term 'abused site' with he aim to span more than plain spam)? And what would you look at when you were (to handle a request) to whitelist a specific link on a blacklisted domain or (to handle a request) to de-blacklist the whole domain?
A.These lists are one of the automated ways that Wikipedia defends itself from spam. The local list applies only to the English Wikipedia while the Meta list applies to all projects. Here is one of the documents that deal with these lists Wikipedia:Spam blacklist they are as stated here as a last resort to deal with spammers. The instruction are laid out fairly clearly in that one would need to consider if page protection, blocking a single or a few users, using XLinkBot or an edit filter would be better. The policies they pertain to include Wikipedia:Spam and Wikipedia:External links. But seriously what I would do is discuss matters with someone with more experience in this domain than I. Much like in real life it is wise to stay within ones competence and currently altering these lists is outside of mine.
(ec, and hence adapted)Thank you for the answer. Both Wikipedia:Spam and Wikipedia:External links are mere guidelines. Of course, a heavy weapon, as e.g. usage of the spam blacklist (but the MediaWiki namespace contains a couple of other weapons like that), would be based on more than just that. What situations would you envisage that would make you use (or ask users who are there more often to use) these 'weapons'; when would you consider that page protection, blocking or XLinkBot would be futile, and would you then make use of these pages? After all, the admin bit does not come with the ability to block, protect and delete only. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:59, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is for widespread, unmanageable spam to a site that has no reasonable legitimate use. Thus if the spam link in question were being added to many pages by multiple unconnected users neither page protection nor blocks would work. And as this link has no legitimate reason for it use XLinkBot would not be the right tool.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]


General comments

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review his contributions before commenting.

Discussion

  • Reporting vandals is relatively straightforward and simple. It doesn't take a genius to do it. I can't believe some people think reporting vandals on 60 occasions isn't enough experience. Is there something that an editor is unable to comprehend until they have a certain number of edits to AIV? This appears to be blatant judgment based solely on edit count. SwarmTalk 03:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support
  1. Nominator support. JFW | T@lk 07:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. --WS (talk) 08:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Strong Support Not only is this editor a strong contributor, but also, has always appeared to show a friendly, professional, and genuinely helpful approach to collaborating. I am sure this can be validated by others who have worked with the articles pertaining to the vast reach of the Medicine Wikiproject, where he regularly helps both new and experienced users with article and task force problems and suggestions, as can be seen at the project's talk page [10] where he is the second most highest contributor. Civil, professional, knows his way around the encyclopedia, and willing to help other do the same. Can only further benefit the project and the encyclopedia as a whole. Calmer Waters 10:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. Jmh has contributed substantially to the project. Fantastic contributor. Good answers. Actually admits to being in disputes (wow!). Well experienced. I would probably trust your average vandal-fighter with the tools in these circumstances, so I absolutely would trust a valuable encyclopedist with them. SwarmTalk 10:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per Calmer Waters. James is exactly the sort of editor we want as an administrator, regardless of how often he will use the tools. NW (Talk) 11:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Longterm user, with clue and experience of a contentious area. Having now read through much of the material that lead up to it, I'm happy to disregard the one short block per time served, especially as it was over a year ago and relates to a content dispute. ϢereSpielChequers 11:59, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support. Looks like a candidate who has contributed a great deal, has made the effort to understand Wikipedia policies and practices, and is good at communication. Answers to questions look fine to me, and I see no reasons at all not to support. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Strong Support. James is an excellent content contributor and understands well how policies apply to articles – and those are the main reason for us being here. More importantly, in my interactions with him, he is always willing to listen to reasoned advice and act on it. No sysop starts out "fully-formed", but I am convinced that James will ease himself into the role of administrator, broadening his experience with the tools as he goes along – and be a better admin for it. I really believe we should be encouraging more good content contributors to take up the mop, rather than expecting candidates to artificially garner huge edit counts at NPP and AIV. The question is actually "Do we trust him with the tools?" I do, and you should too. --RexxS (talk) 13:42, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support, from a brief review everything looks good to me. The odd minor concern is brought up in the oppose and neutral sections, but I certainly don't see anything remotely worthy of withholding my support - a generally competent and well-intentioned editor who would do well with additional tools. ~ mazca talk 14:01, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support Seems positively engaged in and well connected with the editing community. Good talk page correspondence, including well-handled disputes. No red flags I can see. Townlake (talk) 14:40, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support, impressive contributor! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support Thank you for not having hateful userboxes. Keepscases (talk) 16:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Support - impressive contributor, who I am sure would make positive use of the tools. I see nothing in his history to convince me otherwise.  Begoontalk 16:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Support – Great editor that I trust with the mop. —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 17:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Support I have seen this user around WP:MED quite a bit over my tenure here. He is a great contributor and I am confident that he will use the tools effectively. Tyrol5 [Talk] 17:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Strong support: Solid and prolific content contributor with a demonstrated understanding of this site's policies and goals. James has in-the-trenches experience in handling on-wiki conflicts, which should be a prerequisite - not a negative - for admin candidates. I have no concerns, and I think Wikipedia will unquestionably benefit from giving James a few additional tools. MastCell Talk 17:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Strong Support Extraordinary content editor. Strong advocate for sound and consistent application of Wikipedia policies and goals. Extensive experience in highly-contentious areas, always keeps his cool. I would note that this comment below opposing the candidacy is from an editor who was recently subjected to Discretionary Sanctions as a result of an AE commenced by DocJames [11]. DocJames will make an outstanding Admin. Fladrif (talk) 17:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Support Good dude with obviously significant and accurate content contributions. Sometimes seems a bit excitable, but not in an asshole manner like many around here. :P I did mention to him a while back that I would prefer more edit summaries and fewer edits for ease of review, and looking at his contributions he has taken this feedback into consideration. It's particularly important to note when references are added/removed/changed (or content is added without references), as these are the edits which need close review, and he seems to do that pretty well these days. II | (t - c) 19:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Support Great content contributor and good overall editor. More than enough clue to pick up what he needs to know if he decides to get involved in areas where he doesn't have a lot of experience. Dana boomer (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Support unlikely to break the wiki. Pichpich (talk) 19:19, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's virtually impossible to "break" the wiki. Tommy! [message] 19:40, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    If you type "Google" into Google, you can break the Internet, so I guess all you have to do is type "Wikipedia" into Wikipedia (I'm an American, and I love that show). The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  21. Won't delete the main page. BigDom 21:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Support. A good editor with good judgment.   Will Beback  talk  21:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Strong support. Doc James has experience in articles for deletion, helps to maintain and run WP:MCOTW, is already a roll backer and autorights user, with no misuse of these privilages. He is a fast learner, helpful, civil and is very popular among his fellow wikipedians. Wikipedia Medicine Project is unfortunately lacking in admins; it is my view that Doc James can fill this gap of lack of medical admins and I feel that he has more than earned the trust of the wikipedian community and should have been made admin a long time ago!--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 21:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  24. Weak support - great editor who I can trust with the tools. I would've liked to have seen a more complete answer to Q6, though. Airplaneman ✈ 21:31, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Support Sure, you seem competent. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  26. Strong Support - I have worked with this user extensively, and have found him to be trustworthy and responsible. I think he would make an excellent admin. ---kilbad (talk) 22:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  27. Support good general experience, should be fine with the mop. Polargeo (talk) 22:53, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  28. Support What Mastcell says.Fainites barleyscribs 23:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  29. Support, seems trustworthy enough to me. bd2412 T 00:48, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  30. Support Great content contributor, and per Literaturegeek. Mr Bungle | talk 01:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  31. Support I enjoy working with him, and I think he has enough sense and judgment to do useful things and to ask for help when he's not sure. I do not believe that admins need to be perfect from their first edit: I'd rather have admins who will make a good effort to resolve stressful or difficult situations, instead of those who are too timid to do what they can to help. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:29, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  32. Support I don't see the personal-related issues brought up by the opposers as being of significant danger, and there's nothing wrong with you only making a few requests for vandalism intervention or page protection. I've been around for four years now, and I'm sure that I've made fewer requests for protection. You look like someone who's going to do a good job. Nyttend (talk) 03:57, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  33. Support has been around a while and edited in difficult areas. Has been around long enough to show is trustworthy. As with any admin, any admin misconduct can be reviewed by the arbitration committee. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  34. Support I think people use X!'s counter far too much. Looking through this users contributions, I find a more positives than negatives. I honestly don't think users need 100s of edits at WP:AIV and WP:RFPP to understand what vandalism is and when it is appropriate to protect pages. And for the block, I think you learned from it and it shows a lot about your character to see you have not been blocked since. wiooiw (talk) 08:28, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  35. Support I don't need X!'s counter. I've seen his work. He's too libertarian for my taste (per Rorschach test), but that just means he'll wave the wand less than others. He could use spell-check more, so what? He passionately defends evidence-based medicine but applies WP:DUE deftly. Hard working. Anti-drama. Smart. Helpful. Anthony (talk) 13:29, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  36. Support I've followed James before and through the ADHD kerfuffle (which I participated in), less since then. While he's no longer blustery, he's not timid. His improvement as a Wikipedian has been impressive. Unless winning spelling bees is essential to an administrator, he'll be an excellent one. Hordaland (talk) 14:02, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  37. Support. Richiez (talk) 14:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  38. Support. Good content editor, and I just have to support any editor who would say they are "proud of gout, croup and strep throat." (sorry, couldn't resist)  –Joshua Scott [who?] 15:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  39. Support. No red flags, one black flag. Go Doc! TFOWR 16:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  40. Have noted some issues, but ultimately, I'm more than satisfied with "Doc James"' contributions. He's done some excellent work in some difficult topic areas. ceranthor 17:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  41. Support Seems like a decent content editor who writes well and can carry himself maturely. Net positive. Orderinchaos 17:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  42. Support great content contributor who knows his stuff. Only concern that he has been on occasion a bit too combative. On the other hand, I fully agree with the positions he has taken and trust that he will use the tools carefully. Boghog (talk) 20:18, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  43. Support Net positive. This user is unlikely to abuse the tools, delete the mainpage or break the wiki. He's not afraid to speak out when something needs done even when it means stepping on toes. This is a quality which is, contrary to the beliefs of many around here, A Good Thing. While some of the opposes are ridiculous, some are valid and I hope this editor will learn from what has been expressed there and note for the future how that may affect his abilities to be a competent admin... but there's nothing there that would even make me think about not supporting. Trusilver 20:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  44. Support Seems level headed, but not afraid to step on toes to do the job. Triona (talk) 21:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  45. Support, looks like a net positive. Not really put off by the arbitration stuff; quite honestly, sometimes a bit of a firm hand is necessary against people trying to civilly POV push woo-woo crap. If his hand got a little too firm, his heart's still in the right place. Also not concerned by the "lack of AIV edits"—it doesn't take a ton of experience to ask "Are the edits vandalism? Did the vandal get warned? Have they vandalized since then?" I would advise the candidate to observe and carefully review the protection policy before starting work at RFPP, but I have no doubt that this will occur. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:46, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  46. Support - per above. Fridae'§Doom | Spare your time? 22:33, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  47. Strong Support An excellent contributor, good answers and abundantly evident intelligence and clue. Has consistently defended the need for scientific integrity and taken on contentious areas against POV pushers who have honed passive-aggressive to an art form whenever their fraudulent woo and quackery is challenged. Anyone who has come up against the snake-oil contingent - whether here, on another web place or IRL - knows they will not, cannot, be persuaded to voluntarily quit evangelising their pet assertions. It takes stamina, integrity and dedication to take them on, especially in the face of the "play-nice-at-all-costs" contingent all too quick to flex their punitive powers without really understanding what's at stake. I wouldn't be surprised that some of their enablers (and wannabes) below have not even read through the Arbitration case that has got their flags flapping. Plutonium27 (talk) 02:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed but also worth noting is that he will give fair weight to minority viewpoints in controversial articles, which are not out there crank stuff. He is not a singular mainstream truth POV editor but rather he in my view is a NPOV, UNDUE as well as MEDRS motivated editor. :) I can give a couple of examples if people like.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 02:44, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed but also worth noting is that I'd already seen (below) various samples of your examples and they may even have influenced me - just not in the way you intended. Anyway, I guess you've got a shit-ton more of these "in my view" gems ready to go - and there are plenty of comments and Supports still bereft - so you knock yourself out. Plutonium27 (talk) 03:19, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  48. Strong support - so what if in some distant time he was a little heavy handed in an edit war over a controvertial topic and had wrists slapped, people learn and in wikipedia get better at handling difficult disputes. Since then he helped defend freedom of speech at wikipedia and for wikipedians not to be sued by simply publishing what was in the public domain (involving as I undertstand both legal threats and professional misconduct accusation) - the guy deserves our deep & humble thanks (please accept this as my late offering). Strong content contributor and on basis of our beloved founder's "not a big deal", experienced editors who are willing to engage in controvertial topics to ensure (what they have learnt) of our policies & guidelines are adhered to, deserve to be trusted with the contents of our mop cupboard. He has indicated he appreciates that he wont be toying with all that this grants ("Much like in real life it is wise to stay within ones competence..."). So moving on from one reprimand over a year ago, and reclusing the topic-specific objections of those sanction by ArbCom I fail see any current or pending fatal signs being reported (ISQ & NAD) :-) David Ruben Talk 03:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Support, know this user to be adequately knowledgeable about Wikipedia intricacies. Also a mediation >1 year ago is not a reason to oppose for me. --91.177.152.99 (talk) 11:47, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Log in needed Tommy! [message]
  49. Support - good, active long-time contributor to the site, and has shown to be a valuable editor. So of course. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 11:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  50. Support - a careful, calm editor who understands the importance of reliable sources and respects them. Some of the "oppose" comments seem to be concerns over the possibility of admin tools being used to support a POV on a specific page. That's a universal concern, but one that administrators tend to respect and thus go through the appropriate process. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. Although I sympathise with you for the Rorschach test issue and although I deem you an experienced user, I don't think you're experienced enough in admin-related areas to be handed the mop: I'm not entirely satisfied by your answers and 60 edits to AIV and 13 to RFPP are a little too few, if you want to work in those areas. Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 12:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose. While I often agree with his content positions, the candidate's conduct as described in the ADHD arbitration gave me a negative impression of his interpersonal skills. Skinwalker (talk) 15:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Those issues are all at least 12 months old, many are 18-24 months old. Considering that a number of people in the support section who have worked with him before see him as "friendly", "professional", and "willing to listen to reasoned advice", do you think you could provide some more recent evidence? NW (Talk) 16:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes I misspoke and apologized. This was when I was just starting out as mentioned a couple of years ago.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Strong Oppose I don't think this user understands some fundamental aspects of Wikipedia. If he does understand and acts as he does then I have some concerns with misrepresentation. I think he needs more time to improve his understanding before he's given admin tools. (olive (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2010 (UTC))[reply]
    "Some fundamental aspects" is a bit vague. Could you please explain further? NW (Talk) 17:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Brought a recent ArbCom enforcement against this user in which sanction were applied against her.[12] Thus I am not the least bit surprised. When one edits controversial topic not everyone will agree. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Per Salvio. Also, some proxies can be blocked much longer than a year; as well as some long-term abuse school IPs. I'd also like to reiterate that you are most definitely an asset to Wikipedia; it's just I have some experience concerns regarding AIV and RPP. Tommy! [message] 17:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Oppose. Per above. Concerns with the answers to questions, fairly recent AE block, and minimal experience in administrative areas. You're a fantastic editor, but I think you would benefit from a little more experience. Sorry, FASTILY (TALK) 18:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    12.5 months is fairly recent now? NW (Talk) 19:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Weak Oppose Per Salvio and Fastily. 60 edits to AIV as well as 13 to RFPP are simply no where near enough to show me that you have enough experience if you plan on working in those areas with the tools. That last (and only) block also scares me a bit. It's over a year ago so enough time has passed to not make me scared in that respect but the nature of it is a bit worrying. The fact that you were blocked in the first place, arbitration enforcement, is not a good thing at all. I look forward to seeing you re-submit another RFA in say 3-6 months and if you stay on the track that you currently are on, expect to see me in the support column :)--White Shadows Nobody said it was easy 20:22, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Just as a note wrt RFPP I sometimes post to WT:MED or make direct requests to admins who edit medical topics. Thus these number we collect are not completely accurate. I do however appreciate your encouragement.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for letting me know :) In that case I'll scratch out the RFPP part. I wish that I could support you but there are just too many red flags that I see. I do look forward to seeing Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jmh649 2 up and running in 3-6 months like I said :)--White Shadows Nobody said it was easy 21:00, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Strong Oppose, Candidate shows continued propensity towards edit warring, although seems to be more careful not to cross the “electric fence” [13][14][15], with a recent involvement in an edit war, barely avoiding being blocked: [16]. This editor has recent complaints that he doesn’t use edit summaries properly: [17]. Candidate has misrepresented facts and issues in a recent TM ArbCom case and fails to assume good faith, one of the most obvious misrepresentations being his identification of me as being an editor who “primarily edits TM articles” [18]– patently untrue, and obvious to anyone who bothers to even glance at my editing history . Shows a lack of judgment on the part of the candidate. Additionally, per Skinwalker and Salvio, this user has had virtually no experience in administrative areas. Needs a lot more experience in admin areas to show he understands and is able to properly judge administrative situations. Dreadstar ☥ 22:21, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    In my view those edits to Transcendental mediation are not revisions of the same content and are seperated by several days. The aim of the Transcendental meditation movement is to establish a new world system based on meditation, so not exactly the easiest subject matters to edit. I think that it is a positive attribute that he is engaging prodtuctively in some of the most controversial and hostile editing environments where many admins would run a mile.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 22:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Ignoring 80% of my argument and focusing on what appears to be solely an "anti-TM" POV doesn't come even close to answering my objections (" establish a new world system based on meditation", really?) From what I'v seen Doc is a POV-edit-warrior, who admits he "won't back down" (eg. ignoring and de-valuing WP:CON}, and one who has been admittedly subjected to a Lawsuit regarding his edits to Wikipedia. Apologies if I don't agree with your evaluation. Dreadstar ☥ 03:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes it is true that the transcendental meditation movement has a World Plan; see this, TM_organizations#World_Plan_Executive_Council. I am not sure if you have read sourcing guidelines such as WP:MEDRS for medical articles but you will see that high quality reviews of studies is prefered to single studies. It is unfortunate that you are misinterpreting efforts in controversial articles which have ownership issues as examples of POV pushing when it is just a matter of trying to eliminate bias and bring articles up to the standards of WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE by following WP:MEDRS.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 10:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes Dreadstar well aware of were you stand on the issue of Transcendental Meditation. Not really the place thus crossed out.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:21, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you Doc, this is exactly what I'm talking about, you have no idea where I stand on the issue of Transcendental Meditation. Never once had I made any comment on where I stand on TM, I've only made comments on editor behavior and Wikipeida Policy regarding the subject, yet somehow you twist my involvement into an "issue" where you are "well aware" of where I stand on a subject, which is impossible for you to have determined. If so, then I challenge you to provide the diffs where I proclaim my stance on the subject of TM - with the exception of my surprise in my edit above that TM's objective is a "new world order". Your comment is only additional proof of your own POV editing and misrepresentation of what other editors say and do. This further underlines my statement that this editor is not admin material at this time. Dreadstar ☥ 03:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I think that the suspicion of where you stand is coming from on the subject matter may in part be due to you mislabeling attempts to bring balance, per WP:NPOV to a biased article by following sourcing standards for medical articles or medical content/claims as POV pushing. In my view the opposite is the case, Doc James is struggling against POV pushers. Please remember balance is not determined, per WP:UNDUE, by giving equal weight to fringe viewpoints but rather by independent high quality reviews and systematic reviews of the medical literature. Additionally editors have made claims that you have problematic behaviour in articles related to fringe and dubious scientific claims. None of us are perfect and I am not saying you do not contribute productively to the encylopedia, I just feel that you are taking things out of context, which is unfortunate.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 11:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Here is the RfC regarding the Rorschach test [19]. The Wikipedia community was strongly for the inclusion of the ink blots. An editor who disagreed with this consensus filled legal proceeding against me as I supported this consensus. I am not going to back due from ludicrous legal attacks which attempt to infringe on the rights of works in the public domain or my freedom of speech. Wikipedia also received legal threats during this excitement. Thankfully Mike Godwin decided to not back down either. With respect to the rest of it the ArbCom case outlines the evidence [20] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The TM-Org affiliated editors were santioned at AE for edit-warring, not DocJames, over the cited edits at the TM article, and the other involved editor, not DocJames, were blocked for edit-warring at the Abortion article. The cited diff states that the Admin reverted the reverts of Doc's edits, and that Doc's reverts in that article were "essentially productive rather than disruptive." Anyone who reads the cited diffs can come to their own conclusion as to who is misrepresenting facts and issues, failing to assume good faith, and shows a lack of judgment. What the diffs say to me is that Doc is able to inject himself into a highly contentious editing environment where other editors are engaged in an edit war, even without Admin tools, and calmly handle those issues and editors in a manner that is productive without crossing the line into disruption - exactly what we want from an Admin, unlike those who have a meltdown when they don't get their way on Wikipedia. Fladrif (talk) 03:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The comment above and Doc's reference to Dreadstar are pertinent examples of an editor who does not have the Wikipedia maturity to be trusted with tools that would give him power over other ediotrs as an admin eventually has. His "smart" reply to an editor above during a RfAdminship does not reflect well on an editor who is attempting to prove his maturity in an area that can require ability to collaborate well in conflict situations. Further, the AE that Doc refers to will be appealed for serious concerns in procedure, and for the fact that information presented by Doc on me was false. He says I was warned when in fact, he issued a bogus warnig to me when he had moved content in contentious article without discussion, and I had simply moved it back in place requesting he discuss first. [21] [22]. He also requested I be sanctioned for reverting against consensus and edit warring in an RfC that was never closed and in which no consensus was declared except by Doc himself. Further, I explicitely told Doc on the talk page to revert me I would only revert once. Taking an editor to AE and requesting that editor be sanctioned for I revert, and calling that edit warring is a lapse in judgment at best, and using a bogus warning to implicate that editor is a serious misrepresentation.(olive (talk) 04:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC))[reply]
    I don't think that it is as simple as that and I feel that you are omitting a lot of background edit warring. For example arbcom found that you and another editor were tag team edit warring which lead to you and the other editor being placed on an indefinite editing restriction and yet another editor was topic banned for 2 months and placed on the same editting restriction for stone walling consensus building and tag team edit warring. This is the reality of the editing environment that Doc James has stepped into to try and produce a balanced and good quality encyclopedic article. Previously the article was written like an advertisement for transcendental meditation, with a range of biased distortions of the medical literature.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 12:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Quite simply, I feel his temperament when dealing with others is unsatisfactory. His snide remark and accusation of bias on Dreadstar's part is, in my opinion, inappropriate —Dark 08:26, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I respect your viewpoint and right to oppose but the remark was not a snide remark or random accusation of bias. Just one example, Dreadstar's statement to ArbCom claims that Transcendental meditation editors are not the problem or explains away and tries to justify their misconduct Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Transcendental_Meditation_movement#Statement_by_Dreadstar and claims the problem lies with editors who are challenging them. Evidence submitted to the ArbCom by other editors if anything came to the opposite conclusion.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 11:29, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    You've missed my point. If there is bias on Dreadstar's part, it is inappropriate for the candidate to discredit him. —Dark 11:38, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh right, yes sorry, I understand your point now. :)--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 11:57, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    While this is not the place to go into it further, Literaturegeek you are laying out multiple inaccurate and false information points on multiple editors and do so with out diffs as proof. This is unfortunate as it only muddies the waters here, when clarity is of essence. This is about Doc James, and name calling and false accusations are not fair to Doc or to those editors.(olive (talk) 13:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I am confused???? I did add a link to DreadStars statement and see nothing inaccurate in what I said. Please try to accept that I do not agree with you and lets not engage in back and forth bickering. :)--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 13:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    No Lituraturegeek, you're wrong on many points and while I agree bickering isn't appropriate, I'm also tired of untruths and misrepresentations. Tarring editors with misinformation and untruth is not a disagreement, its wrong. (olive (talk) 13:56, 14 August 2010 (UTC))[reply]
    I to am tired of untruths, misrepresentations, misinformation to tar and feather a great adminship candidate, by Transcendental Meditation advocates. I have said nothing untrue and have linked to my claims. This is an adminship request, not a TM campaign page.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 14:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Literaguregeek's assessment is 100% correct. At least three uninvolved administrators expressed strong agreement with the AE sanctions against the TM Editors. [23][24][25] Olive's and Dreadstar's objections to Doc's candidacy strike me as yet more sour grapes for him having commenced a successful AE. Fladrif (talk) 14:32, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The situation here is that this is a request by an editor for administration status. Such a candidate must expect that his activities and interactions on all articles will be scrutinized. The candidate generally can expect opposes and supports, and can expect that editors will have varying opinions about him/her. While any opinion might be questioned what should not happen here is that editors are attacked for expressing those opinions. That's not appropriate nor fair and makes a hash of this process. So thanks, but please, no more comments about the the editors commenting here.(olive (talk) 16:24, 14 August 2010 (UTC))[reply]
    Well, I have been attacked by you and labeled as spreading falsehoods, misleading editors etc etc which forces other editors to defend themselves against your tenditious arguing. Please see, WP:DISRUPT, WP:BATTLE as well as soap boxing. Your not letting this drop may very well backfire as it will show editors, just what Doc James is dealing with on these articles. Give it a rest, you have said your piece and so have I.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 16:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  8. I do not support people who have been subject to arbitral sanctions (Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ADHD#Jmh649) and who use their user page for advocacy or divisive content of any sort. This does not rule out that Jmh649 may become a good admin in areas unrelated to topics he feels strongly about, but these are just two huge red flags for me.  Sandstein  20:17, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    To which content on the user page do you refer? Most of that stuff looks pretty uncontroversial, including the stuff on libel law overreach. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:54, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The box with this logo. It's not very controversial ... unless you are the party on the other side of that lawsuit, and it's not the purpose of Wikipedia or its admins to publicly take sides in divisive lawsuits. I guess I even agree with the sentiment as a matter of policy - but it's still in-your-face advocacy, which is what Wikipedia is not for, especially not by admins.  Sandstein  08:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Oppose I can't support a candidate that has had sanctions of this nature levied against him or her in arbitration. Per Sandstein, I feel it's too much of a red flag. Vodello (talk) 01:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Those issues are all 15-24 months old. In addition, the content that Doc James was working on still stands today, over a year later. How long should we hold something like this against an editor, especially if they show no signs of having repeated mistakes they made quite a bit earlier in their Wikipedia-career. It took us six months to forgive an admin who knowingly shared his password with another user. Should we hold minor content disputes stretching back three times as long as that against someone? NW (Talk) 01:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Strong Oppose I am an editor with limited experience and am not familiar with requirements for becoming an administrator. However, my interactions with the candidate in editing articles related to Transcendental Meditation left me with a strong impression that his content POV was negative and that he was willing to twist the rules and to use bullying tactics to get his way. This does not bode well for a candidate for administrator in my book.ChemistryProf (talk) 03:26, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Oppose While we appreciate Doc's service to Wikipedia, I feel he does not have the quality of heart to be an administrator. I found him lacking in grace and respect in his interpersonal skills, and at times to be a bully. Perhaps in time, if these attributes can develop he will gain my support as a candidate for administrator. For now, I cannot support his application. --BwB (talk) 13:33, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Weak Oppose Largely per Sandstein. I am impressed by your content work, but am concerned that you may stray too much into advocacy, especially given the administrative areas you wish to work in. Your answer to Q6 in particular gave me the impression that you might use the block button for advocacy. However, I would not be adverse to supporting you in the future if you were to gain experience in other admin related areas, such as deletion. RadManCF ☢ open frequency 15:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Strong Oppose. At this time I cannot support Doc James' candidacy, because of his simplistic, close-minded view of science and the scientific method, particularly as it applies to alternative health modalities. My own brief interaction with Doc James was in the context of the Transcendental Meditation ArbCom proceeding. For anyone interested in the details, here is where I laid out a proposal for breaking the logjam on one of the most contentious scientific issues (TM versus ordinary rest): [26] [27] Doc James' response was courteous but disappointing and unhelpful. He seemed not to understand the deeper issues involved and he chose to respond in a way that was partisan and one-sided: [28] Clearly Doc James is energetic and resourceful and I think that, as he gains more maturity and a broader perspective on what constitutes legitimate science, he should be reconsidered at a later date.Hickorybark (talk) 19:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. Neutral - X!s edit counter....disabled. Can't review contributions to wikispace easily now. Paralympiakos (talk) 09:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Have made nearly 27,000 edits. Primarily to the main space. You can use Wikichecker as a backup. [29] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:24, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    See also. SwarmTalk 09:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    WikiChecker seems down (at least for me). Could you enable X!'s counter, at least for the period of this RFA? Regards SoWhy 09:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    X! disabled it himself, this isn't Doc's work. Paralympiakos (talk) 09:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    My bad, I had a cached version of the page somehow. I apologize. Regards SoWhy 11:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Right, to tag onto my current neutral, I'm stuck. It's clear that you're a fantastic contributor. You have GAs, you've clearly been active at the medical areas of wikipedia. I think you'd make good use of the tools for the redirect/deletion area, as long as you have the wide consensus of the medical community. However, your answer to question 1 basically hints at work at WP:AIV and WP:RPP and you have 60 and 13 edits respectively in these areas. This for me, isn't enough experience. I'll remain neutral for now, so my apologies, but you are a great contributor, so congrats on that. Paralympiakos (talk) 09:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    This disgust me. This is not why I disabled my edit counter. I disabled it so people would actually bother to look at the contributions (god forbid) instead of just making a snap decision with an edit counter. Actually making a decision based on the lack of an edit counter? What if the database was down? What if my account expired? You really cannot rely on this tool like this! There must be other ways, and I hope that you see the light before I reenable the tool next Tuesday. (X! · talk)  · @931  ·  21:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    +1 I'm not totally sure X! should renenable it tbh. James (T C) 00:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Neutral I'm not impressed with the candidate's answers so far, but I haven't seen evidence that the candidate would be a detriment to Wikipedia if they had the tools yet. Doc Quintana (talk) 11:21, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Neutral – I'm not really sure whether to oppose or support, but I really would like to support. User in question has been in arbitration one time in 2009, which led to his 48 hour long block in July that year. His edit restrictions were revert-related, with only one revert per page per week. On the other hand, this user has made almost 30000 contributions to the English Wikipedia. I take the safest by going with neutral. /HeyMid (contributions) 12:33, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Neutral (I explained elsewhere why I don't feel a strong obligation to vote support or oppose), though I am not impressed by the answers. IMHO, there are several cases where blocks are given without the total 4 warnings, there are cases of IPs blocked for >1 year (though sporadic), and cases of links being blacklisted even though there is only one editor using that specific link in its sole edit. You seem to know policy and guideline well, or read them well, but also there WP:IAR needs to be used to apply exceptions to the cold rules that are laid forward. I've not seen the imagination necessary to see that cases can be so blatant that waiting to handle is a waste of time, or see further than the one edit that is evaluated, which even (may) result in continuing damage. --Dirk Beetstra T C 14:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Neutral Some of the answers aren't complete (for example, Q6). Good work writing, though. —fetch·comms 16:48, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Neutral X!'s edit counter was a good place to get ideas of the pages and areas we need to look out for. As such, I will not support any candidacy started between the 13th and the 17th, because doing enough research to be confident that a candidate passes would involve an unreasonable amount of work. If it were disabled permanently I would obviously have to reconsider my position, but my belief is that doing so would enhance the weight given to diffs that may or may not be isolated incidents. In answer to the rationale for the pause, I would say that even as a regular in the unpopular column, opposes based solely on editcountitis can be, should be and are already ignored by crats. --WFC-- 18:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Neutral. I've been arguing for less stringent RFA criteria recently, but the block appears to be alarming, so I can't support. Esteffect (talk) 21:40, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Adding arbitration sanctions to my reasons for neutrality, and leaning toward oppose somewhat. Esteffect (talk) 22:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  8. I like the contributions, but I can't support because of your too recent block. Sorry. ~NSD (✉ • ✐) 00:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Wasn't that block over a year ago?   Will Beback  talk  00:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Yea, this is really sad, people refusing to support because someone else's tool is down and the candidate was blocked for 48 hours over a year ago. Perhaps some of you are not aware that we had RFA before that particular tool even existed. I know, that must have been like, when cavemen walked the earth with their stone-and-twig laptops... Beeblebrox (talk) 02:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Neutral, leaning support. Your contributions are excellent, but the edit warring is a little troublesome. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  10. I will not support a candidate until I can fully analyze their edit count.  ℳono  07:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I can sympathise with that, I recently met an oldtime wikipedian who told me he stopped !voting at RFA when we started getting candidates with over 2,000 edits because it took to long to analyse them. May I suggest you do what I do and only check a sample? ϢereSpielChequers 13:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Neutral leaning oppose The candidate has been around a long time and has >27,000 edits; however, the legal trouble involving Rorschach test, a 48-hour block in July 2009, and some pretty basic grammatical and syntactical errors (e.g. spelling the word grammar-->"grammer") causes me to have concerns.--Hokeman (talk) 12:18, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Blocks, plural? Hordaland (talk) 14:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I've checked, the candidate still only has one block from over a year ago and no recent blocks. ϢereSpielChequers 14:32, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Neutral for now. I don't normally go neutral, but I'm really not sure about this one. This user is clearly an excellent content contributor, and we should all be thankful for that; but I'm not quite sure if he has the right attitude to be an administrator. I'm not too impressed by edits like this one to this RFA[30] (although he has now retracted it), and he doesn't use edit summaries as much as I'd like to see. I haven't seen anything serious enough to rule him out from being an admin, but I haven't seen anything that gives me great confidence in him as one either. Robofish (talk) 17:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Neutral leaning oppose. Normally, I would very much like to support a candidate with a background editing in controversial medical topics. But when I look at the ArbCom restrictions, I see cause for concern that we could have the kinds of conduct issues that make me wish we had a better recall process. I don't buy the argument that this was a while ago so it shouldn't matter. One doesn't get to the point of being restricted by ArbCom just by having a bad day. I think the argument often made in RfAs, that something bad doesn't count after some period of time, is one of the least persuasive arguments I've seen. Part of me would really like to have a reason to support. But here is a concrete example where I might support per AGF if we had a better sysop recall process, but I'm not going to support, because we don't. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Neutral. There's lots of weak reasons to not support an RFA, but arbitration sanctions is one reason that holds water still. Probably wouldn't be a bad administrator, but I can't support somebody with such history. Esteffect (talk) 20:49, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Indented double-!vote. Sorry Esteffect but you were also caller #7 above . Regards SoWhy 21:21, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    So I did, I must be getting confused with there being so many candidates right now! Two different reasons, too. I'll add this reasoning to neutral #1. Esteffect (talk) 22:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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