Template talk:The Beatles/Archive 3
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Alphabetization
Why? How can this be the "order they came together" if it's a band? How could John be a Beatle prior to Paul? That doesn't make any sense. Alphabetization is a non-arbitrary way of organization, so it is preferable if there is no outstanding reason to discard it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- It's simple. John started it all. He was the chief Beatle. Steelbeard1 (talk) 22:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
- Huh? "Sacred order?" "Chief Beatle?" "Blasphemy?!" This is ludicrous. Again, if you want to be consistent, you could list the members in the order in which they joined, or you could use alphabetical order. You're using neither and appealing to a quasi-religious Beatles devotion, which is barely intelligible, let alone convincing. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
- I AM using the order that the members joined the group. Read the message in your talk page. You are about to lose a war with the entire Beatle Wikipedia community, whom I've asked for assistance. Steelbeard1 (talk) 22:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
- Alphabetical order is better. GoodDay (talk) 00:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- Steelbeard1 is right. John is who started the Quarrymen, then came Paul, then George, and finally Ringo (though I wouldn't go as far as to say he's the "Chief Beatle"). Besides, that's the order you would normally see their names. Democraticmacguitarist (talk) 15:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- Alphabetical order is better. GoodDay (talk) 00:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- I AM using the order that the members joined the group. Read the message in your talk page. You are about to lose a war with the entire Beatle Wikipedia community, whom I've asked for assistance. Steelbeard1 (talk) 22:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
- Huh? "Sacred order?" "Chief Beatle?" "Blasphemy?!" This is ludicrous. Again, if you want to be consistent, you could list the members in the order in which they joined, or you could use alphabetical order. You're using neither and appealing to a quasi-religious Beatles devotion, which is barely intelligible, let alone convincing. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Samuel Ames
Who is Samuel Ames and why is he listed as a member of the Beatles? I can't find anything about this person.Eric (talk) 19:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Peter Shotton
I would urge that Peter Shotton be added to the related persons section. I cannot do so as the page seems to be protected. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- Oh and ditto for Julia Baird, Lennon's sister, biographer and active in Beatles preservation in Liverpool.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Studio albums
Why is there only one box with just the UK albums, shouldn't there be a separate box for the US albums? It is very difficult to navigate the US album articles without having them in the template. 68.37.78.9 (talk) 15:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Other EP's
Hello all! I have noticed that some of the EP's that the band did are not in the Extended Play part of the template. Is there a reason for that? Just wondering. Thanks! CarpetCrawler (talk) 17:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- Presumably the decision was taken to only include the two EPs which contained new material (all the rest contained tracks previously issued on singles or albums). This seems sensible to me.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- I hadn't seen this discussion before I made my recent edit - I still think it makes sense as it is now. (John User:Jwy talk) 23:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
- I made it clear in the template that the EPs listed have exclusive content not available on any other British Beatle LP issued while they were active as a band. Steelbeard1 (talk) 00:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Actually think that unnecessary (and complicates the template) as anyone clicking through the link will see the explanation right away - and most will simply pass right over it. But I'll leave that to you (or others) to decide. (John User:Jwy talk) 02:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- I made it clear in the template that the EPs listed have exclusive content not available on any other British Beatle LP issued while they were active as a band. Steelbeard1 (talk) 00:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- I hadn't seen this discussion before I made my recent edit - I still think it makes sense as it is now. (John User:Jwy talk) 23:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
noinclude
Looks like an extra </noinclude> was inserted and many pages with the template were auto sorted as Beatles, The (among other things). I think I have fixed it but the caching is keeping me from confirming completely. (John User:Jwy talk) 18:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to add First Live Recordings to this template? Neelix (talk) 22:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Ivan Vaughan
I'd like to recommend adding Ivan Vaughan to the "Related Persons" section. He is responsible for introducing John Lennon to Paul McCartney for the first time. He may not have had the most significant effect on the Beatles' formation, but he certainly had the earliest, and for this, I believe he deserves to be added to this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.212.225.220 (talk) 05:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Filmography vs Videography
What is the difference between the filmography and the videography? What determines whether a film is placed in one category or the other? MCB in Boulder (2/21/2009)67.177.195.177 (talk) 16:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- Not sure actually. Initially I assumed that the former were given a theatrical release and the latter debuted on TV, except that that doesn't apply to Magical Mystery Tour, which is as much of a TV production as the Anthology is. I guess the former are "artistic" works by the Beatles and the latter are merely documentaries?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, but Let It Be is also a documentary! True, A Hard Day's Night, Help!, Yellow Submarine, and Let It Be had a theatrical release. If that is the criteria, then Magical Mystery Tour (which aired on television) does not belong in filmography. If the lack of a theatrical release does not exclude Magical Mystery Tour, why doesn't The Beatles at Shea Stadium (or even The Beatles Anthology) belong under filmography. (Perhaps The Beatles Anthology is excluded because it was created after the Beatles broke up.) What about other 'concert films' that are currently not listed under either category, such the film of one of the 1966 Tokyo concerts (this aired on Japanese TV in 1966), the 1964 Washington Coliseum concert (which was made available on closed-circuit tv in many US theaters in Feb. 1964), and the "Ready, Steady Go" TV footage that was released on video by Apple in the 1980s (I think the video release was called The Beatles Live)? And, of course, there are other documentaries that have been released on video with Apple's authorization, including The Beatles First U.S. Visit, The Making of "A Hard Day's Night," and A Day in the Life. I think we need to clarify what is a film and what is a video and then complete the category. (The more I think about this, the more I think filmography should be limited to the four theatrical releases, and all the others mentioned above should be included in videography. But, I am open to including Magical Mystery Tour and The Beatles at Shea Stadium under filmography.) MCB in Boudler 2/21/2009 67.177.195.177 (talk) 00:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
- If the wiktionary article is correct, videography is analogous to photography and it isn't a term used for a collection of related movies as is filmography. This seems to imply on of two things: that all videos should be under filmography and that there shouldn't be a videography section or that videography should be used for video filmed or produced by the Beatles (probably why Magical Mystery Tour was originally there). —Ost (talk) 19:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- But see also Videography - "Videography also refers to the compiling of an artist's music videos or video releases (compare with "filmography" or "discography")." -- Beardo (talk) 17:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- So where does "The Beatles at Shea Stadium" belong? Like "Magical Mystery Tour," it did not have a theatrical release, and like "Let It Be" it was a documentary. MCB in Boulder 3/21/2009 67.177.195.177 (talk) 03:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- If the wiktionary article is correct, videography is analogous to photography and it isn't a term used for a collection of related movies as is filmography. This seems to imply on of two things: that all videos should be under filmography and that there shouldn't be a videography section or that videography should be used for video filmed or produced by the Beatles (probably why Magical Mystery Tour was originally there). —Ost (talk) 19:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, but Let It Be is also a documentary! True, A Hard Day's Night, Help!, Yellow Submarine, and Let It Be had a theatrical release. If that is the criteria, then Magical Mystery Tour (which aired on television) does not belong in filmography. If the lack of a theatrical release does not exclude Magical Mystery Tour, why doesn't The Beatles at Shea Stadium (or even The Beatles Anthology) belong under filmography. (Perhaps The Beatles Anthology is excluded because it was created after the Beatles broke up.) What about other 'concert films' that are currently not listed under either category, such the film of one of the 1966 Tokyo concerts (this aired on Japanese TV in 1966), the 1964 Washington Coliseum concert (which was made available on closed-circuit tv in many US theaters in Feb. 1964), and the "Ready, Steady Go" TV footage that was released on video by Apple in the 1980s (I think the video release was called The Beatles Live)? And, of course, there are other documentaries that have been released on video with Apple's authorization, including The Beatles First U.S. Visit, The Making of "A Hard Day's Night," and A Day in the Life. I think we need to clarify what is a film and what is a video and then complete the category. (The more I think about this, the more I think filmography should be limited to the four theatrical releases, and all the others mentioned above should be included in videography. But, I am open to including Magical Mystery Tour and The Beatles at Shea Stadium under filmography.) MCB in Boudler 2/21/2009 67.177.195.177 (talk) 00:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)