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Milhist editorial update update
I've been bold and divided your article into two sections (one per each edition) and pasted the first across into the newsletter. I hope this isn't too presumptuous of me - please feel free to alter anything you don't like up to and including a complete rv! If you're fairly happy though, would you be able to give this month's edition a final look over before it goes out? Thank you! EyeSerenetalk08:14, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not too presumptuous at all. :) I appreciate it; I'm behind on WP:CP courtesy of our latest CCI and the resultant sturm und drang (which is a good thing, even though the chaos of it all has me a bit confused...people are caring! and helping! whoot!), so your input is tremendously helpful. As soon as I get enough caffeine in me to be sure I'm making sense, I'll go have a read through part 1. :) --Moonriddengirl(talk)10:47, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the editorial—it was highly informative, yet easy to read. I'm not sure how many people will see it right away, but the cool thing about having this written down is that I (and others) will link to it whenever we are trying to explain copyrights to an editor. It's much easier to point them at your article then trying to type it all myself. ;-) Ed[talk][majestic titan]00:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw your editorial in the Bugle, too, and I must say it's a beautiful contribution: clear, concise, cogent, ... um "cozy", just to have a fourth "c" word? ;-) Thanks, it's very nice work, indeed. Best, – OhioStandard (talk) 16:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
MRG, I tagged File:NammaMetro.jpg under {{db-nopermission}} because the source link still says "All rights reserved" and the copyright logo and "All rights reserved" are also included in the image caption on flickr. However, in the comments section of the flickr image the editor who uploaded the file on to WP has asked the photographer if they can upload it to Wikipedia under the sharealike license and the photographer has responded "ok". I take that to mean, ok, I'm open to that, but something that the photographer hasn't followed through with. What's the verdict on this one? There are some more images like this that may have to be tagged suitably if my interpretation is correct. The conversation is at User_talk:SpacemanSpiff#File:NammaMetro.jpg. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff07:53, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info, image deletions was one area that I was going to actively avoid, but I've been sucked into it for {{WP India}} pages as there seem to be a lot of problem images on there. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff11:56, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
RE: Copyright problem: Antonio Paoli ---> Casa Paoli
Hi -
yes, I used the material also in Amalia Paoli and maybe nowhere else since it only seemed applicable to those articles. Anyway, I went to Amalia Paoli already and fixed it in a way that I believe makes it compliant. If I am not doing it correctly, tell me and maybe Marine can work on that one too, although I'd like to learn how to fix this problem by myself.
Is it is possible that I could myself try to fix this Casa Paoli article that you blanked the way Tony The Marine fixed the other article (Antonio Paoli)? Maybe you could tell me which was the last version that seemed good like you did before and give me a TEMP folder like you did Marine. Thank you, Mercy11 (talk) 21:16, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Just let me know if you'd rather I roll it back now or if you would prefer to rewrite it first." Well, which way did Marine choose? I prefer to do it that way. Just tell me whcih one, do your rollback or whatever thing it is you'd need to do, and then I will work on the article. Is that fair? Also, did the Amalia Paoli pass your review? So I start budgeting my time for that one also if it still didn't pass and you had to blank it too. Thank you, Mercy11 (talk) 21:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I had just "gathered my energy" to start working on those two CR-violation articles (Casa Paoli and Amalia Paoli) when I went in I realized you had touched up the latter apparently just enough to pass the necessary review. This was truly a huge relief as I can now concentrate on the other one (on Casa Paoli). I wanted to thank you. And going over to the fixing the problems with Casa Paoli, it seems that a lot of the in-violation stuff I added was about Antonio Paoli and not the house itself,,, so I expect to be able to produce rather quickly a version that does not violate CR. My POA is to take the last acceptable version and work on it offline, make CR-acceptable additions, etc, and then present it to you for approval. Would such plan be acceptable? Thanks, Mercy11 (talk) 23:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Having recently implemented (badly) my first range block, I may be up for this. But I'd need to identify his range. :) Let me see what I can figure out, based on previously SPI. --Moonriddengirl(talk)11:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can't block the entire range, as it would potentially block 134,217,728 users. I've done another narrow range block and can expand it incrementally as necessary. But I note that you also talked to User:Tnxman307 about this. If you talk to more than one admin at a time about handling a problem, you may cause redundant efforts. I really appreciate your being so diligent about this sockmaster, but do please make sure you let people know when you're asking about something at more than one place to help avoid that. Range blocks are time consuming for me, because I'm not used to them. I don't mind doing it, but I'd be a bit disgruntled to investigate it only to find out somebody else had already handled it. :) --Moonriddengirl(talk)14:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! And thanks again for keeping such a careful eye out for him. My first rangeblock was for a similar situation: a copyright infringer sockmaster who would not take "no" for answer. Let's hope we've knocked him off stride for a bit; if not, we'll keep trying with smaller ranges. --Moonriddengirl(talk)15:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A new sock has just popped up, User:Nimatehran2010. He is systematically going through edits of the previous socks of Amir.Hossein.7055 and restoring those edits, e.g. here[5], [6] etc. I am thinking that maybe one should just start semi-protecting the pages that this guy has edited... Nsk92 (talk) 10:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Those articles are a great "honeypot" for finding his socks. Semi-protection will just mean that he has to edit a few other articles for a few days before he's autoconfirmed. :/ But we can always give it a shot to see if he can be discouraged that way. I need to find out how that account was created. If he did through request for account creation, we may be able to identify him. If he registered it himself, he's working through an IP we don't know yet. --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:22, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
David Croft (rugby union)
Hi Moonriddengirl, I extended the article after your "cleaning", could you please check for the spelling? English is not my mother tongue so it's very likely you'll find either some mistakes or typos. Greetings from Italy :-) -- SERGIOaka the Black Cat13:02, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. :) No spelling errors, although I turned a comma into a period and changed the usage of a preposition. The only real question I have is what you mean by "He retired from professional rugby in 2008 aged 28, and definitely in late 2009, aged 30." Do you mean that he still played rugby non-professional between 2008 and 2009? --Moonriddengirl(talk)15:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Actually Southern Emisphere rugby union is structured in clubs and franchises. The clubs are mostly non-professional and sort of tank for the franchises that are professional. Croft stopped playing professional rugby union in 2008, still aged 28 (he would be turning 29 in December, but the professional season ends in May in the Southern Emisphere). Then he went on playing for his amateur side for the rest of 2008 and the whole 2009 season that ends in December. Hope it helps to clarify. :-) Regards -- SERGIOaka the Black Cat17:51, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the Darius Dhlomo investigation
Hi, sorry to bother you, but can you check to see if the first sentence in this article created by User:Darius Dhlomo is a copyright infringement. I traced the sentence to this site, but I can't tell if the site copied WP or if it wrote the sentence. By the way, it isn't currently on the list of mirrors and forks, so...
Hi. :) It's no bother at all; you are very welcome! In this case, I think we can safely conclude reverse infringement. One good tip here is that they have copied other content contributed by another Wikipedian: FC Zwolle in the national cup; [7] and Pro Evolution Soccer; [8], for instance. Websites like that seem to take our text to drive up their presence in search engines. :/ Darius might have copied it from somebody, but not from those guys. --Moonriddengirl(talk)21:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be willing to take on 10 articles to shepherd to "clean" - or is that not the way the winds are blowing? I checked WikiStalk and determined that DD hasn't contaminated any of the articles I've worked on. --Lexein (talk) 00:17, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. :) I'm not entirely sure where the winds are blowing at this point. The CCI is running atypically. As I understand it, a bot is shortly going to blank the articles he's created, but my intention is to go through the articles once they've been tagged and restore those which have already been checked and cleared. As long as you log your findings at the CCI subpage, I'll make sure your efforts aren't wasted. They're very much appreciated! We can use all the help we can get. :) --Moonriddengirl(talk)01:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
48
A 48 hour block is rather lenient. I would disagree with an indefinite since indefinite usually means permanent. Consider 7 days. Anything up to 30 days would be ok with me. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 16:56, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Presuming you're talking about my last ANI action, I'm not going to adjust the term of the block myself because 48 hours seemed like a good time to me for a "first" NPA, even one as distasteful as that. But, as I said there, I realize that some may disagree and am very comfortable with anyone adjusting the time of the block for longer, though I would object to it being shortened. --Moonriddengirl(talk)17:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Blue Moon of Kentucky
Thanks for the message. You know. I have a special place in my heart for editors who, rather than rewrite material that adds important content to an article, paste tags, HUGE tags, at that. That's a lot easier, isn't it, than spending time trying to paraphrase something and not mangle it? In fact this is one of the reasons I am now writing my own book! Don't know if I have the will to deal with it, so delete agway. And, really, thanks for the message. And the world at large, and the founders/admins of wikipedia wonder why interest has peaked. Steve Pastor (talk) 19:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Steve, you might have picked the wrong time and the wrong place to uncivilly remark about copyvio text which has been properly tagged, and the work done by others to remove it. Please note the larger situation around you: an editor named Darius Dhlomo has damaged, through thoughtless copy/paste, thousands upon thousands of articles which must now be either mass deleted or gone over with a fine toothed comb, accompanied by mind-numbingly repetitive content-similarity searches to determine the degree of copyvio. Please note just how strong are the policy and consensus against derivative work based on plagiarized text (the paraphrasing which you seem to think is so easy). Please consider the "HUGE tags" a Call To Edit. And consider the words which inspired master chef Ferran Adria of the Michelin three-starred El Bulli, from the great French chef Jacques Maximin, "Creativity means not copying." (History of El Bulli, p. 29).
Lovely! I'll be happy to pop by with my mop. The CCI process is meant in part to avoid PUF listings when unnecessary; no reason to drag it out. BTW, speaking of image CCIs, I'm organizing Norton's into files that will need looking at and files that don't. Once I get that done, I'm planning to ask for assistance at WT:NFC, as many of them will require determining whether usage of the image meets that guideline. There will also be some images that will need evaluation to determine if they truly are PD by age or whatever criteria is being alleged. --Moonriddengirl(talk)14:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I've been following your progress on organizing that one, I just haven't made the time to jump in and help yet. WT:NFC sounds good for recruiting help, and probably also WP:MCQ since it's the highest-traffic image copyright board. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:17, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No worries about jumping in. :) It's a bit tedious, but not demanding at this stage. Most of his images, as you know, are clearly fine. I could probably do a better job of organizing if I were more comfortable with consensus on NF images of dead people, but as I have had an image for which I wrote just such a FUR deleted, I recuse myself from that judgment. I can't make any sense of when such images are purely decorative and when they are actually encyclopedically useful. :/ --Moonriddengirl(talk)14:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. The only ones I didn't delete were an image on Commons that is a derivative of somebody else's image and seems legit and an image on Commons that I can't delete, but have nominated for deletion. If that's all that is remaining, you can close it out, and I'm off to barnstar GrapedApe. :) --Moonriddengirl(talk)14:36, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! It's now closed. One more down, 34 to go... Maybe the motivation for Darius Dhlomo will stick around and we'll acquire some additional helpers for some of the others too. ^_^ VernoWhitney (talk) 18:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Malke.No, really, the only thing you would be able to do is make a "dummy" edit to the article and put in a new edit summary. It's not really necessary, as the AfD is linked from the article's face. But if you do it, just add a blank line or remove one from the categories or other sections and put in the edit summary you meant. I see that your nom statement includes the following: "Reason Malke 2010 (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC)" You may want to remove that. --Moonriddengirl(talk)17:43, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. That's a relief. I'll leave it as is. Also, I do have concerns about copyright violations on this article. The editor will not provide reliable sources. When I questioned an edit I know I've seen elsewhere, he simply deleted it. I've also seen this edit elsewhere on a Catholic website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_beliefs_on_the_power_of_prayer#Prayer_as_a_source_of_strength. These websites are not duplicating Wiki articles like Wapedia, etc. These are original pieces by laity. Also, a lot of material seems to be taken from New Advent, a lay Catholic encyclopedia but without attribution. I'll get you some links in a bit, I have to go out for a bit.Malke 2010 (talk) 18:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Possible violation?
I'm sure you've got plenty on your plate regardless, but do you think this article could be a violation? I'm finding nothing via google except for the end list of inducted Oklahomans which was stripped from here. The style seems very much like a biography written for his induction into the hall of fame, or perhaps a similar career retrospective. It's also very unusual that this rookie editor randomly appeared a year after his last edit to create a complete article and nothing more. SFB/talk21:12, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've got nothing, although those lengthy quotes are probably a problem under WP:NFC. Certainly, they're inadequately cited. Given that this contributor is long gone, I think there are probably two good options here: we can rewrite it proactively with sourced content or we can tag the talk page with {{Cv-unsure}}, revisiting it later to rewrite it with sourced content if nobody else has done so. Since it seems to be a BLP (I don't see a death date), I'd go for the former. It might not be a copyvio, but since it doesn't meet our other core policies it doesn't matter much. :/ --Moonriddengirl(talk)21:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Copyright question
Hi. I'd like to ask about copyright in the context of Darius Dhlomo's contributions. I'm not arguing with the decisions made, I'm just trying to understand. Can you tell me, for example, why this is a copyvio? It seems to me that these are just facts. In order for something to be copyrightable, I feel that there has to be some original creativity in the work. - Richard Cavell (talk) 23:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Uncle G. :) Yes, Richard, you might find that conversation helpful. Nobody is saying that all of his content is infringing, though we know a significant amount of it is. If that conversation doesn't satisfy you, please let me know; I'll be happy to go over it further. --Moonriddengirl(talk)23:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm happy. I accept that if some of his content is copyvio, then it's better to err on the side of deleting all of his edits and starting again, since it's impractical to personally assess each contribution. However, I maintain that some of his contributions are not copyvio. - Richard Cavell (talk) 00:05, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, many of them will not be. I've estimated all along that the problematic articles will come down to hundreds rather than thousands. I'm not advocating deleting his content wholesale; we're just requesting assistance of the community in reviewing the content. Work on this has been going quite quickly, so I hope we'll get it all sorted and back into circulation soon! --Moonriddengirl(talk)00:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd offer to help, but I'm lost by some of the terminology, as you are. I wouldn't know how to interpret the information, let alone find whether it's a copyvio. - Richard Cavell (talk) 00:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, some of this you only find out once the FAQ become "frequently asked". :) It had not occurred to me that we would need to repeat the instructions from CCI that people with a history of copyright problems should not undertake this work. It seems that some people are worried about mass deletion. I'll reread it to see if I can minimize that impression. Right now, I'm double-checking our first major snafu to see if other copyvios have been restored. --Moonriddengirl(talk)00:22, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was actually asking Richardcavell, who seems perfectly placed (in not knowing how to help) to explain to us how to make the instructions better — what they aren't explaining and so forth. As to your second point: That's why I put the big green box at the top of the task explanation. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 00:30, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
He is not eligible to help, as CCI clean up can only be done by those with no history of copyright infringement. From CCI: All contributors with no history of copyright problems are welcome to contribute to clean up. At the very least, there's Ventura County Transportation Commission, which was deleted as a copyvio. There may be other issues, but that one is at the top of his current talk page. --Moonriddengirl(talk)23:51, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
I posted a message here 2 days ago, but never got an approved/not approved response. I spent more than a mouse click of time working on something that complied with your suggestions, recommendations etc, but while awaiting your response another user who had worked on the article just went in removed your copyvio and with a mouse click installed an older version. I never received a response to my message. Was my version which incorporated your suggestions verbatim (except for some erroneous info that apparently you missed) not approved? Thanks, Mercy11 (talk) 00:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I'm sorry; copyright cleanup can get hectic, and this past week has been particularly so. I'm afraid I misunderstood your note. Since I had said those were the only lingering issues, when you wrote, "Done, I hope that the new version takes care of the issues involved. Happy editing everyone" I presumed you had put your content into place and thought that the "happy editing everyone" had a bit of a farewell to it. :) But, there's no great harm that you didn't, because you can do so now. Those were the only issues I found. --Moonriddengirl(talk)01:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am pointed to this discussion here by Mercy11, and given another link. Neither this conversation here nor the other link indicate to me that the situation is magically cleaned up. I am involved in the Casa Paoli article too, and feeling some responsibility to see that it is cleaned up properly, given my personal contact with NRHP nomination document author and photographer. I reverted the article to an earlier version before the long passage noted at Talk:Casa Paoli was added. I want to see that the article does not contain close paraphrasing without proper attribution (which would usually involve NOT close paraphrasing, or exact copying plus use of explicit quotation marks). The article was pretty good when it was DYK. I don't see need for copying or near copying of material. Anyhow, I will follow at I'll follow discussion at Talk:Casa Paoli. --doncram (talk) 03:57, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. As I'm doing that whole "uninvolved admin" bit, my only concern here is whether the content is copyvio clear. Other than that, I leave it to involved contributors to oversee the development. --Moonriddengirl(talk)15:42, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as I said here, you start by following the steps at Help:Merge#Proposing a merger. Note that it directs that if you think the merge will be controversial, you should consider listing the merge at Wikipedia:Proposed mergers. As far as notifying the project is concern, a lot will depend on the circumstances. A brief, neutral notice that a merge discussion has been launched might not be inappropriate if you fear that the conversation will not attract responders. The thing is to keep it limited and neutral and to make sure you don't cherry pick the project to get the result you want. Hard to come up with an example of that, so I'll fictionalize one. If you wanted to propose the merger of Wal-Mart (Store 12 Des Moines, Iowa) into Wal-Mart, you wouldn't notify Wikipedia:WikiProject individual stores should not have articles. That would look like you were deliberately choosing a project you expected to support you.
We need to retrieve information from a insertion you deleted, according to the site. The article was regardign author Gary Alan Wassner. How do we retrieve the information? Thank you. 96.232.208.153 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC).[reply]
Would you mind investigating whether Central place theory is plagiarized or not? I came across a report on the talk page that it might be, but I don't have time to properly investigate. I saw this while demo-ing Wikipedia for a class for the Public Policy Initiative, so it would be nice to report back to the class that we did something about it! :) Awadewit (talk) 19:55, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Whew, that was a bit of a slog. :) I'd say "unlikely" and I've commented at the article talk page. I'd need to see more sources to be really sure, but I think the structure is the standard way anyone would describe the theory. The ordering and development of the concepts look subtly different as you read farther down, if someone was being lazy, they weren't being lazy enough. :) The original publication of the theory would be of great interest, but it's likely in German anyway. Franamax (talk) 20:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I just wanted to convey my gratitude to you for putting so much effort into a project like Wikipedia. Lord Bless you and I hope you always remain happy and that you receive the recognition that you well deserve.
41.239.83.166 (talk) 21:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
you had once suggested that its better to make a seperate page Rajesh Khanna Filmography.
iam not aware as to how it should be made or edited.if the page is created i can definitely help you update the filmography.
it would be better if Rajesh Khanna Filmography is created seperately with 6 columns Year,Film,Role,Actress,Director,Other Notes.
the reason being that many things about khanna is missing from the wikipedia article right now, but if information is added then page will look longer so seperate page of filmography is the need of hour.
Hi. I'm not intending to make a filmography for this individual, but good luck to you should you choose to do so. If you have not yet found a mentor, as I've suggested in the past, a mentor might be able to help you with formatting. Alternatively, you can visit the help desk. I'm afraid I still do not have time for taking on new duties at this point. --Moonriddengirl(talk) 13:33, 14 zSeptember 2010 (UTC)
atleast tell me how should i create tht page in such a way that it does appear in that link under R to the world.i cn fill up all those six columns viz. Year,Film,Role,Actress,Director,Other Notes. by myself but only if iam able to create that page.Shrik88music (talk) 18:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have crrated a seperate page Rajesh Khanna Filmography.
iam not aware as to how it should be edited that there would be 6 columns Year,Film,Role,Actress,Director,Other Notes.
i wil by myself manage to fill up all details if u dont have time but just create that page with those 6 columns atleast.
if you would be able to fill up the columns actresses,year,role with help of the already created filmography by me at present it would be great. gradually i will fill the columns roles,other notes,director.Shrik88music (talk) 19:23, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I do not wish to be unhelpful, but I'm afraid that I don't even have time to do the work that I need to do. I have suggested mentorship would be helpful for you. If you don't want to seek mentorship, that's fine, but we do have a help desk with volunteers who do have time to help you and will be happy to do so. --Moonriddengirl(talk)19:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry – I've sorted it. I'm sure you've got enough on your plate with the Darius Dhlomo work. I really admire all the hard work you put in. Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 21:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, MRG!
I have finally come to a stopping point on the rewrite of this article, which had close paraphrasing.
It is located at User:Mgreason/Sandbox 2, and I'd appreciate another set of eyes reviewing it.
I'm not in a big hurry, but if you expect to be unavailable for a week or more, I will make other arrangements.
Thanks! Mgrē@sŏn03:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I have no such expectations. :) I've put it on my mental "to do" list, but this morning has been crazy already. If I should lose that list, as I sometimes do, please give me a nudge. :D --Moonriddengirl(talk)13:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
WP:WIKIHOUNDING
Hi, sometime ago we talked and you suggested that I should no longer look at the mentorship page you had for Malke, given that I noticed that you had asked her to stop following me. I respected that request for keeping that page semi-private and have not looked there, but Malke wants a reference to that discussion. Instead of looking on there for a diff, could you please comment on User_talk:Malke_2010#WP:WIKIHOUND_warning. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 08:02, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I didn't mean at all to suggest that you shouldn't look at the page. I've only requested that others keep their comments to her main page. That said, I'll follow your link. --Moonriddengirl(talk)11:02, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ORTS
Hi there, If possible please look in to ORTS tickets for following files File:NH 45 Ulundurpet Padalur.JPG and File:Udaipur_highway.jpg. I already sent mail to ORTS today. Thanks KuwarOnlineTalk09:15, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I'll be happy to take a look once I've caught up with on Wikipedia stuff, probably within a few hours. If it has not been handled before then and I find it, I'll process it. --Moonriddengirl(talk)11:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Close paraphrasing
Hello, Moonriddengirl. You have new messages at CeeGee's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Hi Moonriddengirl. I wonder if you could take a look at what this user is saying on their talkpage? They posted a bunch of ozone related articles, two of which are copyright violations (one from an UNEP site, the other of a news article which the user asserts is itself a copyvio of original UNEP text). He/she is saying that they are trying to create the pages and are the original owner, and that they will edit out the copyright violations. I was thinking of offering to move them to userspace for them to work on them, but really my understanding is G12 applies over all namespaces.
Have you had any more communication with Thirdaccount through OTRS about permissions? Looks like another person in his/her office has started OAs Initiatives which is copyright violation from http://www.unep.fr/ozonaction/about/mf.htm (and nocontext to boot, in that if I didn't know what it was about at this point it would be hard to tie the article to the name). I didn't want to act on it in case you had been getting emails from Thirdaccount. Syrthiss (talk) 15:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Boo, this is really troubling. Not only are they creating copyright violations that would be so easy to fix, but all of this leaves a bad taste of using wikipedia for advertising for their initiative. :( Syrthiss (talk) 15:32, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. There's a clear COI. Would you consider filing a notice about this at the COI noticeboard? I've got so much copyright work to do and so little time to do it. :/ Given how little ground I made on the copyright problem with them, I'm loathe to even try to explain WP:COI and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. --Moonriddengirl(talk)15:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine - your restoration was completely proper, especially since you were directly referring to it. The important bit is that you told me after, which is exactly right. No worries, and hope it all works out. UltraExactZZSaid~ Did12:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okely dokely
Here is a "good" question for you. What to do in the case of many possible image copyvios from one user? If it were only a few of them I would just tag them as I did File:64 Eric Pinkett.jpg and not bother you. However as I started to look over the users image uploads I began to notice they were mostly marked the same - "Own photograph"/"own photo". Some are marked as "own artwork" and only one is/was marked as "This is my own personal photograph taken in 1964". So I dug deeper and the user runs a website about "players from the Eric Pinkett era" of the Leicestershire Schools Symphony Orchestra. Now here comes the bigger copyright issue - while the website states No permission is required to download or print any of the items. it also gives gratitude and thanks to all former players who made contributions to the Photo Gallery, and particularly to Nigel Pinkett for the 'Special Collections' section. Wikipedia has no proof that any of the actual photographers signed over their copyright to the uploader so they could license them here via {{PD-self}}. Aside from that there may also be a COI concern (Ok, well there *is* a COI concern) because since October 2009 the uploader (Most likely also I.P 86.144.118.211) has been the main contributor to the Peter G. Fletcher article, which they are mentioned in, and, since May 2007, the main contributor to the Leicestershire Schools Symphony Orchestra. (Possible to also be I.P 86.130.109.46, I.P 86.144.118.45 and I.P 6.130.118.93) There is also some WP:OWN going on as well it seems - "My article has been somewhat decimated."
So where to start? Is there a protocol in place for dealing with this many images or do I just start tagging them all {{di-no permission}} and ask for OTRS's to be sent in for each image on the users talk page? Or should send all the unused ones to PUI and tagged the used ones with {{di-no permission}}? Advice welcome. Soundvisions1 (talk) 14:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good place to start: talking to the guy. Is he still active? If so, drop a note on his talk page politely letting him know your concerns and that if he has uploaded content to Wikipedia from other photographers we need verification of their license. I'd recommend being very friendly at this stage; he's likely to be dismayed by the situation, and a spoonful of sugar surely helps. When the contributor is working on good faith, this is always a good approach to telling somebody, "Hi, you may have created a major problem!"
If he asserts that he is the photographer of all of the images, and you feel you have good reason to doubt him, I think you basically have two options: WP:PuF or WP:FfD. I would not go the {{di-no permission}} process unless he akcnowledges that he is not the photographer but does not within reasonable time verify permission through OTRS. The COI concern is a separate issue, and I would leave it to resolve for after resolving the copyright concern. --Moonriddengirl(talk)14:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't know what to say about this one. :/ I think she's acting in good faith but confusion on the copyright issue, but the whole situation with the ANI report has just gotten out of hand, and it was so unnecessary. :( (massively discouraged) --Moonriddengirl(talk)15:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I thought your summary in the ANI thread was insightful and highlighted the same things I'd observed. Unfortunately, things appear to have flared up after I went to bed. Jclemens (talk) 17:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Your advice at your talk page was also spot on. I hope that these two can come to some accord in their work, if they are going to continue working on the same article types. --Moonriddengirl(talk)18:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Barnstar
Your efforts on copyright problems are greatly appreciated!
I wanted to say thank you for the incredible amount of effort you have put in on keeping Wikipedia's copyright problem under control. It's not always well appreciated work, but it's important, and it means a lot to me that you've been so diligent and involved.
Thank you, so much. Today is a perfect day for it, too. :) (Sometimes it seems a bit overwhelming.) I try, and I'm always encouraged by how many Wikipedians are willing to pitch in to help. --Moonriddengirl(talk)20:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your incredible work on copyrights... I will never have your determination, but you will always have my admiration. (Did that rhyme by any chance?) Renata (talk) 00:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
bot task explanation (to Moonriddengirl and Uncle G)
I've started rewriting the bot task explanation for a more general readership. Please tell me (preferably here) if you think
Just stalking here, but as a matter of principle I frown on asking BAG to make these kind of decisions. Requesting the bot flag is essentially saying "I m going to make thousands of edits without really looking at any of them and I want the special bit that lets me do this without any recentchanges patrollers seeing it (even though it will flood individual people's watchlists and the most common response of bot operators is to steadfastly deny they ever did a single thing wrong, I'm not like that and anyway it's too late to go back once I've run the bot)". Now, I'm philosophically opposed to simple blanking of articles created with a copyvio, because I feel it devalues the subsequent work of many others and paints much to broad of a stroke, so maybe you should ignore me. And I realize my alternative of examining each case and dealing with it appropriately is very time-consuming and I haven't done my share, ao again, maybe you should ignore me. I'd rather see a much more tightly defined task though, like if the article was created with 10 bytes of content and is now 100Kbytes by other editors, will it still get blanked? Franamax (talk) 04:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Franamax, the best place to bring up points like that is Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/CCI, where wider discussion of this operation is happening. I think the point of the BRFA is to get technical feedback about the bot operation itself, rather than to get a bot flag (a separate decision). Re your question about a 10-byte article with 100k of later contributions, yes it would still get blanked, but then anyone looking at the edit history could see what had happened and unblank it. In practice most of these articles have little substantial editing by anyone other than Darius. 75.62.2.105 (talk) 05:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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