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Biased

This article seems to be more biased to WWE rather then professional wrestling in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.51.225.114 (talk) 04:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Whenever a wrestler is mentioned, say on a PPV page, it's bull shit that wrestler. I understand it is difficult to find images to use... but it gets very awkward looking. I mean, the recent Slammiversery 2009 page has a picture captioned "the recently returned Raven", for an event that happened yesterday, with an image from years ago. This is just not how an encyclopedia should work.

I think, if you're going to use an image, it should be relevant. If you want random pictures of Raven, click his name. Throwing in random "Randy Orton did this" with a picture of Orton posing with a fan next to a description of his Elimination Chamber match is just not going to cut it. There's no connection, it's illogical, it's misleading, and frankly - after reading a page or two, it gets extremely annoying. The page for the wrestler is where random images should be linked, and the specific event pages should contain images from the specific event.

Shawn Michaels

Shawn should be on the cultural icon list. 64.237.207.36 (talk) 20:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, as great a wrestler he is, he is not a cultural icon. Outside of wrestling, most people would not know who he is. --DanteAgusta (talk) 20:43, 12 October 2008 (

you just allways have to dissagree with me dont u dante? haha72.50.50.54 (talk) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I would love pro wrestlers to get the treatment of other pro athletes, we know they don't. It is only a select few who cross over into main stream. Shawn is one of the best ever, but has never done anything but wrestle. So, unfortunately, the rest of the world just does not know about him. --DanteAgusta (talk) 20:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's because you're not a professional athelete. You're a professional actor. Learn the difference. The former competes. The latter acts according to a script. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.131.62.113 (talk) 01:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

well then bret hart should be taken out of the canada icons because no one knows who he is out of the wrestling ring —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.237.207.36 (talk) 21:10, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He is known across Canada. --DanteAgusta (talk) 22:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

he isnt64.237.200.218 (talk) 01:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really Bret Hart is just a wrestler, nothing else so why is he getting better treatment then Shawn? Hell if it worls like that you might as well toss in Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho on the Canada section64.237.200.218 (talk) 01:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Andre not usa

andre is french not american so you should remove him from the united states cultural icon list. 64.237.207.36 (talk) 22:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It also says "adopted" home country, Andre lives and worked in the US for many years, and is an known and remembered to non wrestling fans. --DanteAgusta (talk) 22:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Objective characterization

What this article truly lacks is an objective characterisation of the events typical to "pro wrestling", placed near the top of the article, informing laymen about what it really is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JeR (talk • contribs) 06:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. It's really quite useless as a Wikipedia article because of all the fanbois like Dante rushing to revert edits and write in biased prose. The point of Wikipedia is to explain what X is quickly, efficiently, and completely to someone who doesn't know what X is. If someone from another country where scripted wrestling matches do not exist but competitive wrestling SPORT does were to look this up, they would not actually figure out from this article that it is scripted theater. The first paragraph, or right after it, is where it needs to be clarified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.131.62.113 (talk) 01:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Independent Section

It needs editing, desperately. It reeks of bias; such as the part about how some independent wrestlers are more talents/charismatic than mainstream wrestlers, it is not needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.250.122 (talk) 00:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It reads very good to me. And it is true, there are some indy guys who are better than some of WWE's top guys. --DanteAgusta (talk) 00:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is an opinion, which does not belong in an encyclopaedic article. It doesn't matter how true or how false it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.250.122 (talk) 02:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree it is merely an opinion. It is a fact. But the problem with Pro Wrestling is there is no real way to give credible sources for facts. --DanteAgusta (talk) 02:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is merely opinion, and propaganda. I mean, come on, take a look at it:

"many of the "workers" aren't as chiseled as the ones on television broadcasts" - That isn't relevant at all. "Still, many local wrestlers are extremely talented, with some grapplers' techniques and charisma surpassing some of those on broadcasts of the WWE or TNA" - Once again, irrelevant. "Independent wrestlers normally have "shoot jobs" and usually wrestle for the love of the business only, since most paydays are pretty low" - Blatantly untrue AND irrelevant.

I have written a temporal replacement until someone can write a better one. It is far superior than the previous one though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.250.122 (talk) 21:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stop removing my post

i keep adding hhh, taker and hbk and someone keeps removing it. Theres allot of nerds here but that one specific nerd should cut it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.224.149.195 (talk) 19:40, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Those names are not house hold names. Read the whole sentence. The ones posted are known by non wrestling fans during their respected times. People who know nothing of wrestling knew something about that person. Triple H, Undertaker, HBK are all great wrestlers, but they are not known outside of wrestling to the degree that the others were/are. --DanteAgusta (talk) 21:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

oh please like bret hart's a house hold name —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.50.53.157 (talk) 21:23, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It has been confirmed that in Canada Bret Hart is a house hold name. The guy was on the Simpsons for Pete's sake. --DanteAgusta (talk) 22:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adhering to kayfabe

I've noticed that most wrestling articles (I'm putting this in this article because it's the centerpoint of the wrestling articles) are writting a manner that adheres to kayfabe. For example, many wrestlers' biographies are written in a style that you would normally expect to find on kayfabe websites.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this mean that the articles are written in an in-universe format? I haven't been on Wikipedia for long, but long enough to know that in-universe style of writing is frowned upon. Sure, there are some articles on fictional characters that are mostly in in-universe format, but the doors are wide open for anyone who has sufficient sources to rewrite the article in an out-of-universe style (such as talking about how the character is written, as opposed to what we see on TV).

Shouldn't these wrestling articles be rewritten in a similar manner? For example, Petey Williams didn't loose the Off-the-Wagon Challenge; the TNA writers used it to write out his character to cover up for his release. I think this would be a drastic improvement in the quality of wrestling articles, to the point where some may get nominated for featured articles. Thank you.Wikieditor1988 (talk) 01:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can't you just put in parenthesis why he lost the match? It treats them like it treats TV shows. It doesn't mention "so and so was killed off due to a contract dispute."71.185.250.142 (talk) 03:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)belthistoryguy[reply]

Add some warnings?

I think "don't try this at home" warnings should be added. Or at least it should be explained that the moves (if done for real) can be very harmful and even lethal. While you argue if it's "fake" or not, someone could try to jump from 2m and hit someone else in the head with his knee.. (188.126.10.8 (talk) 00:25, 22 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]

I don't see the point of putting warning signs everywhere. Everyone in their right mind will know that it is dangerous to jump of a ladder face down. Also, most people who read this are either fans or haters. Either of them will know this. Fans see the warnings in each TV show after each commercial break. And, putting in too many warnings will cause the loss of effect for real important warnings. Finally, when will all the warning stop? Somewhere common sense needs to kick in. Darwin will take care of the rest... PeterE23 (talk) 21:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, that "Darwin will take care of the rest" mentality also leads to the deaths of children who are too young to know better. You should be ashamed of yourself for saying they should be killed off just because you don't want to have warnings.