Talk:List of Oceanian Jews

Thanks User:Davidcannon for additions. Cleaned up slightly: added dates, removed unnecessary links (see here). One question: does anyone have any external confirmations for Ernest Davis, Pei Jones or Colin Kay? I couldn't find anything online. -Udzu 23:45, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You're welcome:-) Colin Kay is listed as Jewish in Encyclopedia Judaica (I'll have to look up which edition - it was published in the 1980s). Pei Jones - his father was Jewish, according historian Michael King (see his biography on Te Puea), so I've listed him as half-Jewish. Ernest Davis - I don't have any sources, but I remember him being spoken of as having been Jewish. I will try to find confirmation. As for the other two, I'll try to find page numbers in the next few days. David Cannon 01:09, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks again! PS I just found that Pei Jones' father was a European immigrant called Daniel Lewis, which fits in. -Udzu 08:48, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Addition of Religious leaders

A list of Religious leaders were added by an anonymous user in this diff.

The people added were general not of sufficient notability for an encyclopedia, and were focussed on the Sydney chabad community. Few would be internationally known as gedolim to the Jewish community, let alone to the wider community. Wikipedia states that it is NOT an indiscriminate collection of information, and that some things that are true still need not belong in an encyclopedia.

Of recent/current religious leaders, I would have added Rabbi Raymond Apple before any other as he is recognised in:

The Chief Rabbis cabinet [1]
Rabbi Apple was the Chief Rabbi of The Great Synagoge Sydney, which was the first Shul in Sydney and has a few offical Rabbis thats why they call him the chief Rabbi, and he personally makes that very clear. He personally has not that much to do with other shuls in Sydney. Also that page does not mention about the services he started in with the Great to help the comunity and that he retired in 2004. 220.233.48.200 14:01, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the link above, I think you'll find that's incorrect. Chief Rabbi is not a title at the Great Synagogue. jnothman ^talk 13:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

For a much better summary of Rabbi Apple's achievements in the Sydney Jewish community on a whole cf. the RCA Profile at [2]
The Senior Jewish chaplain to the Australian Defence Forces since 1988
The Sydney Morning Herald [3], the ABC [4] and general Australian leadership
His membership as an Officer in the Order of Australia

For more perspective, I would have then put the late Chaim Gutnick.

Can others please add other notable religious leadership, particularly of yesteryear?

jnothman ^talk 12:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rabbi Pinchas Feldman, I have no idea why you removed him, he has done more for the comunity than any other Rabbi with the help of Rabbi Borch Leshes, a few of the majors:

Current years:

Rabbi Feldman brought Rabbis and, students to become Rabbis from overseas (and melb.), which have opened up many of 32 shuls in Sydney, with all of them currently having Rabbis that Rabbi Feldman brought to help Sydney.
Rabbi Feldman this year alone brought 45 men to help the comunity, about 15 of them are studing to become Rabbis this year, with the rest studing to become Rabbis next year. Over his 35+ years of being in this comunity he has brought well over thousands students/Rabbis to help build the comunity, many of which started families in Sydney and are helping it grow.
Rabbi Feldman is considered the Chief Rabbi of NSW as he brought most of the Rabbis to NSW.

Earlier years:

Rabbi Feldman expanded Yeshiva College from a school for 20 kids to hundreds of kids with in the first few years of being incharge, and bought the old Tafe campus to allow the school expand even bigger...
Rabbi Feldman started Yeshiva Kashrus with Rabbi Leshes, to fit with the higher standards of the Rabbis, Rabbi Feldman was bringing, which he latter convinced the Mizrachi comunity to combind their Kashrus with Yeshiva's to form KA, which would follow the stirctness that the Yeshiva comunity followed, so the comunities were not spilt, like what was happening in other places. Rabbi Feldman at the begining was in charge of KA but he steped down as he was needed more in the school, with Rabbi Moshe Gutnick being put incharge.
Rabbi Feldman would send his children, with a few other student-Rabbis (which latter on happened to marry some of his daughters) every festival to lead the smaller comunities around Australia and mainly NSW until he started the RARA program.

I could cont. this list but this is not the place, I am going to move most of this to his page with some editing and cont. there... some time in the future. 220.233.48.200 14:01, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I removed Feldman initially was primarily because your listing of prominent religious leadership was notably from a particular point of view. I still think this applies as to Boruch Leshes who you continue to call Borch Leshes; as a religious member of the Sydney Jewish community, I barely know of him or his impact. I know that Pinchas Feldman has had a large impact on Sydney Jewry, and I think that DOES make him notable enough here, but not as the owner of Diamond Rose, which is itself not entirely notable. jnothman ^talk 00:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I know I am not registered but I think your getting me mixed up with other unregistered users. Rabbi Borch Leshes is the Rosh Yeshiva of the only Yeshiva in Sydney, that it self is a big enough reason, he is the only person that give smicha in Sydney up until recenently when he started to give smicha with Rabbi Perlow, I could go on saying everything he does for the comunity but its 5:30AM. And you say Rabbi Feldman is the owner of Dimond Rose, well your getting mixed up in between him and his children. 220.233.48.200 18:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I should be more accurate to say his wife founded it and son owns it. It is nonetheless not particularly notable; certainly doesn't make Sholom or Pnina notable through it, IMO. jnothman ^talk 13:50, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Groner

Please feel free to take part in the discussion at User talk:Hyim#Groner. Ems2 21:22, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alphabetical order

Should be by surname, in accordance with standard style in encyclopaedic listing of names, as well as that used on the rest of this page. (Comment regards this edit). jnothman ^talk 00:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abraham Rabinovitch?

Is Abraham Rabinovitch a religious figure? I thought he was educational / communal / pioneering / philanthropist?... but not seen as a major religious figure/leader/guide. Comments? jnothman ^talk 00:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He is a religious pioneer. IMO he is the most noteworthy from the whole list. Ems2 11:42, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As in he pioneered in religion? Or he was a religious person and pioneered? He pioneered in Jewish religious education, but I wouldn't say that makes him a religious leader.

And I again contend that Raymond Apple is fairly notable, though without article. As are the Chabad leaders. It doesn't really matter who is most notable, and maybe time will tell, and maybe it won't. At least of Rabinovitch, though, there are written biographical accounts and I might try find something at Mandelbaum House / Aust. Jewish Historical Society and expand his article, and maybe then be able to classify him better here. jnothman ^talk 12:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rabinovitch was a Russian. Ems2 12:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is a bit of infomation on him here. Ems2 13:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, cite it as a reference! Rutland's books was the first place I would look (easier now that she is back in Sydney and I could just ask her). jnothman ^talk 13:35, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

YDG description

A better description is needed. He is NOT the founder of chabad, which is what might be implied from someone without any background knowledge in the sudject. He can't even be called the 'founder' of chabad in Victoria, as Rabbi Chaim Gutnick was there before him. I am going to blank it till a better one is made. Ems2 12:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is leader (and shaliach) of Chabad in Victoria sufficient? jnothman ^talk 12:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It would be better to put what makes him noteworthy as a description. Is there anything, that he is noteworthy for that can be said in the same fashin as everyone else in that section? Ems2 12:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]