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Deletion of celebrity list

The list of celebs who have OCD seems very speculative. As suggested in discussion below, it should probably be purged, and names only added back in if a source/reference exists.

No particular objection was raised below, so unless someone gives reason to the contrary, I propose the list be removed in a couple of days.--Starwed 01:37, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and deleted most of the list. The three that were left have OCD mentioned in their own wikipedia article, so I left them. Anyone adding to the list should provide some source for the info. --Starwed 23:31, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I guess whoever keeps on reverting the list is probably just a troll, but in case they're not, they should read Wikipedia:Verifiability.

The list should be moved here: [[1]] Flyerhell 20:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Here's a useful public domain booklet; material from this can be freely copied into the article [2] Enchanter

Link currently dead, alas boffy_b 22:24, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
Dead, but the content is still available at the Internet Archive. Jareha 22:00:57, 2005-08-25 (UTC)

The article linked to by extinction is irrelevant. I don't know what to change it to, as there is no article about the indented meaning of the word "extinction". However, extinction (disambiguation) mentions it. —Daniel Brockman 21:14, May 5, 2004 (UTC)

I don't know who at Wikipedia decided that titles of books, films, etc., should take italics rather than quotation marks, but it's an atrocious decision. Italics might be the way it's done in freshman college essays, but it's not the way it's done in the real world. Check the stylebook of most any contemporary publication; quotes are used for titles.

The italics look amateur. (Which I suppose is what Wikipedia legitimately is, when it comes down to it.)

For what it's worth, I checked the periodicals that are currently lying in heaps all over my house. Quotation marks: The New York Times, The New Yorker, The San Francisco Chronicle. Italics: The New York Review of Books, The Nation, The Comics Journal, The San Francisco Bay Guardian, Poets & Writers Magazine, Nurse Week. I think there's more diversity in "the real world" than you're suggesting - though I do speak as an amateur. ←Hob 03:47, 2004 Oct 29 (UTC)

Then again, the OCD page is probably the last place I want to be starting a nitpicky argument about details.

HA! Thanks for that. ←Hob 03:47, 2004 Oct 29 (UTC)
The way my high school English teacher taught me, titles of "full-length" works like books, plays, albums, and movies are supposed to be italicized, while titles of "short" things like short stories, songs, and magazine articles are to be placed in quotes. The CITE tag in HTML, intended for use with titles, is generally rendered in italics. -- Dan -- 03:30, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Picky Picky. Does it really matter on a free-based online encyclopedia that anyone (well, almost anyone) can edit what is italic and what is not? --Admiral Roo 10:52, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Minor quibble

"An estimated two to three percent of the population is thought to have OCD or display OCD-like symptoms."

The population of where? I assume it's either the US or the entire world, more likely the former, but it's not exactly clear. TheJames 00:54, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'd think it's the U.S. From the statistics listed they may be referencing the 1983 National Institutes of Health survey.
Minor quibbles are OK on the OCD entry. Semolina Pilchard

"Most people who suffer from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, usually only suffer from that of obsessions or that of compulsions. It is rare that they would develop both that of obsessions and compulsions." Ltdoyle

This statement is not true. Most people who suffer from OCD suffer from both obsessions and compulsions. To have either alone is extremely rare. Often, mental compulsions are confused with obsessions. See Edna Foa's work for clarification Bob Falk

I think that it is important for people to know that Obsessive Compulsive disorder is a very serious illness, even though it only affects three percent of the population, Obsessions and Compulsions are so powering that they can run ones life. An example of a compulsion could be the urge to pick at ones hair, where an obsession could be the thought that you have killed someone, even though you really havent. Ltdoyle

It is serious. I don't suffer from it, but I have seen people with it. Thank you for your comment, and I hope the world will one day stop persecuting (sp?) ppl with a mental illness. Though developed countries are better at tolerating us then others are.  ;)

List of Celebrities

I am submitting what seems to be a more reasonable list. The shortened list someone put up has gone overboard.

The problem is that it isn't "reasonable" if it contains even a few names which are incorrect. Furthermore, I checked a couple of the first few famous names on the list, and couldn't find any other reference for them having OCD. I'll post the list in the talk page , but the article should contain only material which has at least some basis in fact. ^_^ Frankly I don't really care enough to research each individual to see if they do or do not have OCD. That doesn't mean I shouldn't take the couple of seconds to prevent incorrect information from staying on wikipedia. Furthermore, the list should only contain people who have OCD, not just those who have mentioned they are "germ freaks" or whatever... --Starwed 10:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Here is a list of what appeared on the page, and which I have again removed. This list can be thrashed out here, but only those with some source should actually appear in the article itself. Note that, as the article states, "OCD should also be distinguished from the similarly named but notably different obsessive-compulsive personality disorder." I've gone ahead and done google searches for the first few. Many seem incorrect/completely undocumented, and in either case they're not suited for Wikipedia. Please don't just add the whole list back in.--Starwed 10:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think this list is highly questionable. I researched a few names just now and the links to OCD are questionable. Just because Donald Trump says he is a "germ freak" doesn't mean he has OCD. Cameron Diaz reportedly opens doors with her elbows - this is stronger evidence but the reference was 2nd hand at best. IMHO Wikipedia should not list someone as having OCD unless they have been diagnosed and admitted it in public. Should the list be removed entirely with names only being added back in when their OCD is verified? Robertbrockway 07:50, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)


I agree completely. The list is very misleading.

Thirded. The list is misleading. However, I do know for a fact that both Howie Mandel and Marc Summers do in fact have OCD. At one time (and maybe still is) Marc Summers was pretty active in trying to support people with OCD. I think he used to speak publicly to raise OCD awareness. I believe that Howard Stern has also suffered from OCD at one time or another Flyerhell 09:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


It is almost like the list of celebrities with breast implants. Do we have sources for this apparently growing list? --None-of-the-Above 03:12, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As per my earlier comments, I think the list of celebrity OCD suffers is highly suspect. I find it odd, for example, that the articles on Cameron Diaz or Donald Trump would not mention the disease if they indeed admit to having it. If we don't have objective evidence such as an admission or a (possibly unethical) disclosure by a medical doctor we have no business claiming they have OCD. Robertbrockway 03:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like the entire list should be deleted, and celebreties only added to it if they can be verified as having the condition. --Starwed 10:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]



Some people listed, as well as fictional people listed under 'References in Film and Literature', would be more accurately describes as Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, which is different (eg. Bree -Marcia Cross- on Desperate Housewives. And I agree that the list needs to be shortened, with maybe a little information being added next to the names of those who are left. - 07:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

References in films and literature

To the anon IP, can you say something about why you're removing this list? If you feel there are mistakes in it, perhaps you could edit it rather than deleting it entirely. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:02, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Just from reading this article, it seems that some of the references fall more closely under OCPD than OCD, such as the example from Vertigo. (Just going by the description here, since I haven't read the movie.) --Starwed 10:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Monica Geller reference needs to be completed. Also, another example is the X-Files Episode Bad Blood,which depicts a vampire afflicted with the need to pick up something scattered on the floor by Mulder. --Silverhand 15:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the Monica Geller reference. It looked stupid just leaving it blank like that. Just to keep it easily accessible this was the sentence: "*From the TV series "Friends" Monica Geller" Flyerhell 20:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't someone have OCD in Macbeth as well? I kind of remember someone washing their hands obsessively?

Flyerhell 20:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As Good As It Gets

Why does info about As Good As It Gets say something like OCD is portrayed in a sterotypical way in this movie? I don't think that this movie really was that much worse than other movies in its portrayal of OCD and a lot of aspects of this movie show the true suffering of someone with OCD....the scene where Melvin keeps locking and unlocking the door come to mind. You also see Melvin burning his hands in the beginning of the movie as well. Flyerhell 09:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Expansions

I think it would be nice if some aspects of this article were expanded. Specifically, the history of OCD (Anal fixation from Freud????) and better treatment details (Exposure and Response prevention). Depression tends to be highly comorbid with OCD as well (Helpless-hopeless hypothosis), it would be nice if this were mentioned. Done. The part about opiates was interesting but it would be nice if it were expanded...and perhaps a reason could be offered for the treatment effects of opiates. I have read some recent research positing that the comorbidity rate of OCD with drug addiction is VERY high, perhaps because drug addiction can be viewed as a type of compulsive behavior? Done. I also take issue with this sentence: "People who suffer with OCPD tend to derive pleasure from their obsessions or compulsions. Those with OCD do not derive pleasure but are ridden with anxiety. This is a significant difference between these disorders." While people with OCD are in fact filled with anxiety, it is important to note that the compulsion RELIEVES this anxiety (temporarily)....and while the compulsions are distressing to individuals with OCD, it is important to note that since these compulsions are anxiety-relieving, the OCD sufferer may actually enjoy the compulsion to a point? Just something to keep in mind. I can make the edits, but I wanted to get some feedback on them before I do so. Flyerhell 09:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC) Revised: Flyerhell 09:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

References

I scanned for a few of the references throughout the article but I could not find any citations of them. If these are not actually cited in the article, shouldn't they be under "further reading"? I will also add the reference from the citation that I put into the article last week. Done. I also attempted to clean up the reference section, it appears that 2 or 3 different types of styles were used to cite references. I think that we should agree on one style. I would recommend APA (that is what I used) as this is a psych article. Let me know your thoughts. Flyerhell 09:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

request

Obsessive-compulsives, please join the Recent Changes patrol and monitor Wikipedia for vandalism. Your help is definitely necessary. Don't forget to eat and sleep, however. And make sure you are earning enough cash to pay for basic necessities. Thanks. -MPD 00:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Otay Buttweet. --DanielCD 22:26, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt you ment it but some of those comments such as "Don't forget to eat or sleep however" could potentially be taken as offensive to OCD sufferers.Deathawk 04:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neuropsychiatry

The NeuroPsychiatry section is incredibly hard to read, at first it list the receptor but then it lists them again in some sort of sequence that is just incredibly disoriented, I don't object to this section but I think we should make it more readable. Deathawk 04:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not Xenocide That Dealt With OCD Characters

In the section OCD in Literature and Fiction, the article claims that the novel Xenocide by Orson Scott Card features a planet where people with OCD are revered as religious figures. It was actually Children of the Mind, Xenocide's sequel, that featured this planet- it was the character Wang-Mu that most heavily presented OCD in the novel (she would sometimes have to trace wood grains).

I've changed the article accordingly. Mouseclicker 02:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am interested in adding an external link to our website (the OCD Center of Los Angeles at www.ocdla.com) from the Wikipedia page of OCD. I have added the site 2-3 times, but it has been removed each time. I wrote an email to Wikipedia and the person who responded suggested I write to the discussion section of the OCD page.

Our site contains over 20 pages of information about OCD and related OC Spectrum Disorders. The site includes an OCD test, in-depth descriptions of OCD and Obsessional OCD, information on the appropriate treatment of the disorder, and a list of links to over 75 OCD-related sites across the world. In fact, many of the sites listed in the external links section of the Wikipedia OCD page link to our site, and one actually uses our OCD test.

I realize that one could say that our site is a commercial site, but so are a number of the current external links on the OCD page. While our site is for our clinic, it is also meant to be a resource for those seeking expert information on OCD and its treatment. I look forward to comments. Thank you.

Perhaps you could link the specific pages that have relevant information. The front page of the clinic is probably not best; that will get removed as it looks like advertising and doesn't appear completely relevant (as it's a clinic page). But particular pages might work. You might even find some uncited material in the article body and use the information on your informative pages as a reference. Keep in mind this would also be open for someone to challenge the clinic website as an authority; it would be much better if you could refer on your pages cited the author, and somewhere on the site the author's credentials.
In short: I think an article on a webpage written by a practicing clinician in this field would be an adequate reference. It could only really be challenged if someone found research that said otherwise, but this is not likely as much of this information is quite general. I hope this helps, and please feel free to ask further questions. Thanks, and have a wonderful day. --DanielCD 02:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if there are sites on the page that you feel are inappropriate, feel free to list them here and challenge them. I'll look and see if there's anything that neets attention in this regard. Thank you for bringing it up. --DanielCD 02:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"bing"...poof...

Daniel - Thank you for your comments. I see what you mean about the home page. I would like to suggest you take a look at three of the pages on our site which I believe offer in-depth information related to the subject of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.

They are as follows:

The page which describes "OCD" at at http://www.ocdla.com/whatisOCD.html

The page which describes "Obsessional OCD" at http://www.ocdla.com/obsessionalOCD.html

The page which describes "Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy for OCD" at http://www.ocdla.com/cognitivebehavioraltherapy.html

I believe these pages provide information which would be of benefit to visitors to the OCD page of Wikipedia. These pages were written by myself, and I am a practicing clinician who specializes in Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy for OCD. I look forward to your comments.

Thanks for responding again. I'll look at it when I get a moment. Right now, I wish I had six hands... --DanielCD 23:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jessica Alba (list of celebrities)

Jessica Alba said she had OCD as a child. So she isn't a sufferer anymore. I think it would be appropriate to remove her name from the list on the article. -- Porcher 17:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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