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MPs called for a "wide-ranging and independent inquiry" after G4S agents restrain and suffocate Jimmy Mubenga during his deportation from England. (The Guardian)
per the statement below which also had 2 supports vs. 1 oppose (excl. nom). Certainly notable, controversial, and newsworth in int'l coverage, particularly under the circumstances(Lihaas (talk) 07:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC));[reply]
Comment: Epochal feat of civil engineering. The articles and links will need to be updated once the tunnel is ceremonially completed this morning UTC. Sandstein 08:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support we don't post this kind of thing often (the last time being the Wuhan-Guangzhou railway??) and it is an important achievement - especially if its the world's longest. PS as its Europe it should be railway not railroad :p. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 09:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Broken through now. Longest transport tunnel is more accurate, as 'rail' implies there might be a longer road tunnel out there. Although it would be good to keep the description as a railway tunnel in there aswell. MickMacNee (talk) 12:29, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ITN is about what is in the news right now, so I really don't understand the oppose votes. By this logic we should post climate change news only after 2050, because that's when the major impact will be felt. Offliner (talk) 14:29, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support its a world record. we can post it again in 7 years when it opens. dont need to limit items that happen once in a decade... -- Ashish-g5514:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On June 10, the plurality win of the VVD (People's Party for Freedom and Democracy) was featured in the In the news section [1]. But the fact that a minority government coalition of People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) and Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA) is made possible with the support of the Party for Freedom (PVV) of Geert Wilders is newsworthy on its own. A support treaty was signed by VVD, CDA and PVV. Perhaps the hook should be phrased differently to reflect this. – JamesBrownIsDead (talk) 17:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Six people, including an Iraqi Interior Ministry official and four members of a leading political bloc, die in multiple explosions throughout Baghdad apparently targeting members of former prime Minister Ayad Allawi's al-Iraqiya political coalition; four were killed in a roadside bomb and three others were wounded. (CNN)
A new border gate opens on the divided island of Cyprus, providing a seventh crossing point between the Turkish-controlled TRNC and the southern part of the country. (TRT)
Rights groups in Indonesia welcome the striking down of a Suharto-era law banning books that were deemed to be "offensive" or a "threat to public order". (AP)(Jakarta Post)(BBC)
Oppose, per the previous agreement that we would only post both opening & closing ceremonies for the olympics, and opening ceremonies only for the other major athletics events. Modest Geniustalk19:54, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I would otherwise support, with this being the English Wikipedia and these games being pretty much *the Games* of the Anglosphere. But if there was a previous consensus, then I guess it's better not to post this one, and bring up the discussion again sometime before Glasgow. Nightw03:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A very large chunk of the Anglosphere disagrees. --Golbez (talk) 12:39, 15 October 2010 (UTD)
I think much of the part of the Anglosphere that the games represent would agree that these games represent a lower class of competition that the Olympics and other events that are open to athletes from the world over. Oppose--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Weak Oppose Not that i dont think this should be a headline but the rinderpest article as a rather nasty Expert tag on it and lack significant amount of sources for one its size The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 16:11, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Sounds significant, and I will take it on good faith that the international media is at least treating this with a significant level of interest, in the absence of supporting diffs. Blurb should probably mention it is related to measles. MickMacNee (talk) 16:15, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support for the story, but the article still needs some work doing on it. I'm not too worried about the expert tag, as there is no discussion of which section would cause problems (and the tag dates from 2008, so we're not going to get any from the original tagger). I think a good, sourced update would suffice to remove it. Physchim62(talk)18:32, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you ask me, a two-year-old drive-by tagging is a prime target for removal, but that's not to say the article is perfect. Still, a decent update with some good sources should be enough to dispose of the tag and post this and hopefully the exposure from being on ITN will motivate someone to work on it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Anton Abele becomes Swedens youngest ever MP for the parliament. This is not the first time Abele is the focus of european media, he won an MTV Award in 2007 for his work against street violence. He also started a huge facebook group against street violence and gathered 10.000 people for a anti-street violence protest in Stockholm a few weeks after the death of Riccardo Campogiani. He was also mentioned during the Swedish kings annual speech. etc.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would not personally agree with that, this news is todays biggest news in Sweden. And a historic one as he is the youngest ever MP in the country.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The UK's first Green MP didn't go up, and the first Australian aboriginial member of their upper house didn't either IIRC, so what's different about this guy? 'todays biggest news in Sweden' is not very pursausive, there are quite a few English speaking nations here, and we obviously can't post all of their top stories of the day on ITN. MickMacNee (talk) 16:10, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
By that I guess you mean had it been an "english news story" it would have been perhaps more appropriate to have on ITN. Every news story on ITN cant be about english politicians or people overall och happenings.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose From the source it appears he wasn't even elected, just appointed to fill a vacant spot. The young man is notable, but this isn't ITN-worthy. Grsz1116:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
4 Marines are killed in Helmand Province, Afghanistan when a roadside IED ambushes a convoy. Lance Corporals Joseph Rodewald, 22, Phillip Vinnedge, 19, Victor Dew, 20, and Cpl. Justin Cain, 22. (Orange County Register)
The US government rules out a moratorium on foreclosures. The moratorium would help millions expected to lose their homes, but may also hurt the housing market. (Reuters)(MSNBC)
Chinese PremierWen Jiabao calls for reform of China's political system in the lead-up to a four-day annual policy meeting of Communist Party leaders. (AP via Yahoo!)
Kyrgyzstan elections
Moved from future events by Cargoking with this edit
Amidst the global imbroglio concerning Iran, Mahmoud Ahmedenijad, who is no stranger to cotnroversy, visits Lebanon. botht he united States and israel have reacted adversely to the visit, as well as some sections of Lebanon with others responding very positively (both christian and muslims). Its a 2 days visit and he lands in the next few hours. Lebanon has been filled with controversy and doubts of stability recently which also add to the importance of this. It is not "just another bilateral visit" akin to clinton in bosnia or somethign of the sort. This also follows the 2010 Adaisseh incident. (blurb in the section above)
Weak support. I don't usually like this sort of foreign relations story, as I find visits between countries very routine. However, this particular visit is getting quite a bit of media attention around the world, so that would make makes it ITN-worthy for me if the background material and updated article are there. Physchim62(talk)14:58, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Two explosions occur in the southern Yemeni city of Aden, killing one person and injuring several others. The Al-Qaeda offshoot in the country also states its intention to establish a "new army" to overthrow the President. (BBC)(Al Jazeera)(Voice of Russia)
A federal judge has enjoined the Pentagon from kicking gay people out of the military. Although the final word on this matter is probably years away, this is the first time uncloseted gay people can serve in the U.S. military. This is currently the top non-Chilean-miner story in the U.S. media and throws another wrinkle into the upcoming elections. It should go without saying that a lot of readers are interested in this. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support A civil court granting an injunction against enforcing government policy seems a fairly rare thing to me, and the issue in hand is very widely reported around the world. Physchim62(talk)01:24, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I don't know what will happen down the road; however, I think the nominal significance of overturning don't ask don't tell is worth recognizing. The article could use more than a one sentence update though. Dragons flight (talk) 01:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Physchim. And sure, it may get to the Supreme Court, but an appeal by the Justice Department isn't guaranteed. And any potential SCOTUS case would be years from now. ~DCWe Can Work It Out01:49, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb entirely unclear for those who have not been party to the ongoing case as to whether the blind eye will no longer be turned, or the prohibition on homosexuals in the armed forces is to lifted. Kevin McE (talk) 21:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Belated support. When this was previously discussed, I assumed that there would be a sizeable gap between the first and last miners being rescued, but at the rate the rescuing is going I'd be up for keeping this posted until the rescue is completed. TFOWR10:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm disappointed at the week response here. Amsterdam has just had another confrontation of 800 people, one person ending up in hospital with a fractured skull and a demonstration of 600 in Nijmegen.
There are thousands of squatters in the Netherlands, and they have a long history there. The protests have been featured on mainstream news.BBC NewsAT5MSNBC
So are we now reaching the stage where we trade off one western European head injury against 40 eastern European deaths? It gets mainstream news coverage because there is a TV camera nearby, not because it has any great importance. Kevin McE (talk) 20:36, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not re-add items which are already being discussed under another date. Simply bumping things up isn't going to make people change their mind; in fact it's rather counter-productive. Please continue discussion in the section below. Modest Geniustalk22:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Will you drop the bloody stick and leave that horse the hell alone? I've done everything I possibly can for that nomination and simply because it's on ITN/R doesn't mean it magically goes up. There was no consensus last time I looked as to whether to post it now or at the end of the tournament. If you're that bothered about it, go to the talk page and try to drum up some interest like I did. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:20, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't get your point. Mine was a reply to Fox, giving an example how ITNR is not really useful in determining if the item goes up. Nergaal (talk) 02:59, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Since we post so many elections, I thought this one would be of more notability than some of the national ones. Colombia, Germany, India and South Africa got elected. Nergaal (talk) 18:09, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: in the past, I think we've usually posted the election: there are plenty of similar events that happen on January 1, so I'm not sure it's a good idea to overload that date with politics. Physchim62(talk)01:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The example cited by Grsz was the worst in the country for about 30 years if memory serves. That's the kind of thing that gives it enhanced notability over just a few deaths. While those deaths are tragic, I tend to think we rely too much on death toll as a measure of significance for incidents that are otherwise insignificant. Simion, is there something notable about his accident other than the number of people killed? If there is, I might support since the article is in reasonable shape. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:23, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be amazed if that were even a remotely true stat, certainly not if we are not pretending that Ukraine did not have a railway system before indepenence. I would say we are closer to the 'worst since the last time' territory here. Domestic news. MickMacNee (talk) 17:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but that source also says "Road and railway accidents are common in Ukraine, where the roads are in poor condition, vehicles are poorly maintained, and drivers and passengers routinely disregard safety and traffic rules." I'm standing by my oppose, at least for now. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Then shouldn't the worst accident in a country with bad routes most certainly be posted? It would be different if we were talking about a couple of casualties. If we routinely saw Ukraine incidents here with a handful, dozen deaths, it would be different, and we could easily reject those. Grsz1118:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
HJ Mitchell I don't understand your logic, I'm afraid. I think you meant to justify the posting of the Petarukan train crash by the fact that it was its country's worst accident in thirty years. Surely, the worst train disaster in Ukraine's history (now 19 years), with a similar death toll, merits inclusion by that logic.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Having looked in the archive, the only argument offered for posting the Petarukan train collision were variations of 'it was serious', 'worst since 1987', and 'these always get posted'. So, how about we ignore repetition of those types of arguments for this candidate as simply the classic example of a other crap was posted argument, and actually come up with an actual reason as to why a 'serious'/'most deadly since' type of road/rail crash is of significant and widespread enough international interest enough to post on the Main Page. Given the handwringing over this general issue going on on the talk page right now, it seems absurd to give these sorts of incidents the red carpet treatment. And btw, the Romanian crash item was posted with only two poeple arguing for it, one of whom was the nominator, so I think we can strike that as meaning anything. MickMacNee (talk) 18:34, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I objected to the lack of criteria on what makes this kind of deadly incidents notable some time ago. We had a similar accident involving a bus and a train in Slovakia, with 11 casualties, which made it in the ITN, for no other particular reason. So let us finish the discussion on this and come up with some more reliable guidelines. Otherwise, people get frustrated because it seems that geography, ethnicity, religion, and/or other unreasonable criteria contribute to the editorial policy... Crnorizec (talk) 22:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weeak Support: as per the above and the criteria that we've had in place so far. Although, I agree that this is not a notable event. Crnorizec (talk) 22:09, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. In principle I think we have too many of this sort of incident, but we have indeed posted less-serious ones in the past. I agree with Crnorizec that we need better guidelines on such incidents. Modest Geniustalk22:36, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, so the appeal for some new arguments fell on deaf ears. Never mind. We can gloss over why this repeat posting of such tragedies is internationaly significant or worthy of a place on the Main Page I guess, pending a meta discussion. So, for reasons of clarity on this specific nom, has anyone actually cleared up whether it is the worst road accident in Ukraine's history, or the worst rail accident in Ukraine's history, or god forbid, both? Or does it even matter? Of course, being both wouldn't be that surprising, seeing as we seem to be taking the phrase 'Ukraine's history' literally. Where does that stop being a realistic measure btw? Ukraine is one of 12 mostly large states whose history only goes back 19 years, so how often do people really think this sort of stat is going to come up? Does it also have to be above a hard limit of death too? 10 people say? Not to mention the existence of even younger states like Slovakia (which has 3,662 km of railways btw). MickMacNee (talk) 14:04, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Interestingly, the tag on its talk page says A news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "In the news" column on August 3, 2010. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:48, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The differences are hardly significant to its nearest known relative, different paw pads shape, jaw shape etc. I read it and thought, so what? The only news here is that unsurprisingly, there are still great big unexplored regions of this planet. And I'm sure others will too. Give me the discovery of a whole design of dinosaur anyday over this, save the living animal discoveries for sharks with laser beams attached to their heads. MickMacNee (talk) 14:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The first election since the constitutional referendum ad the uprising that overthrew the leadership (forcing the prez into exile in belarus) was won by a party that threatened to roll-back the the referendum and bring him back.Lihaas (talk) 03:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wait! It's certainly a notable development, but perhaps it'd be better to wait until they actually vote Bakiyev back in to power. Otunbaeva is still overseeing the government until the Prime Ministry is restored. So instead of posting these results and then posting the election of the PM, I think it's better to just post the latter. Nightw13:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Futile Oppose. There's obviously no point, given the bizarre outcome of the recent poll on the talk page, but meh. It simply cannot be logically possible that Wikipedia considers the routine politics of a country like Kyrgyzstan is more worthy of notice to the front page readership than for example the first experimental observation of Hawking radiation, or any other item that just dissappears off this page for lack of affirmative action or even interest, whereas this election ticker stuff is given the red carpet treatment. I bet most readers have never even heard of Kyrgyzstan, let alone pick it out on a map, and anyone who have or could, will certainly know who Stephen Hawking is. MickMacNee (talk) 14:17, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's what confused me. We can expect people to figure out what that is, but geography is apparently more difficult? I would wager more people have heard of Kyrgyzstan than of Hawking radiation. You just said we shouldn't include Kyrgyzstan because 'most people can't even pick it out on the map', but if I went outside right now and asked everyone I saw what they thought of Hawking radiation, they would not know what I was talking about. Same could apply to Kyrgyzstan. Which is why we don't do things here based on the Jaywalking test, we do them based on other factors. So my main complaint was your assertion that, because many people won't know what Kyrgyzstan is, based on that alone we shouldn't post it, when that ran counter to your example of Hawking radiation. You say it cannot be logically possible, I question your logic. --Golbez (talk) 16:41, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(And note that I'm not supporting this, while I would have supported Hawking radiation; however, I took issue with your statement) --Golbez (talk) 16:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My point is more accurately put as: Who has heard of Stephen Hawking/Kyrgyzstan, and who can place Kyrgyzstan on a map/tell you what Hawking radiation is. Two different levels, but both demonstrate the relative differences. MickMacNee (talk) 17:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MM. Considering that now we stopped posting the champion in MotoGP I have no idea why Kyrghistan should be up there. Nergaal (talk) 15:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, is that what the world has come to? Some guy riding a motorcycle is more important than a national election? Besides which, nobody has said we're not posting the MotoGP winner, so don't imply otherwise. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support pending a full update. The article looks good so far, and the election resulted in a change of government, hardly 'routine politics'. And Kyrgyzstan is a decent sized country, it's not like this is San Marino.--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:55, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Changes of government through elections is very much an example of routine politics, assuming even that the electoral organisation in this former Soviet republic is not corrupt/incompetent. Changes in government through revolution is non-routine politics. MickMacNee (talk) 17:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest possible oppose I struck down my oppose and changed it to this. Kyrgyzstan is not a notable country by any measure: 5mil population means is outside top 100; location: Asian steppe; resources: gas only. As for motorcycling, I am going to assume that since I am the only vote yet, that one will probably not get posted before it will get bumped off due to the age of the news. Nergaal (talk) 18:20, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support it's not a city state and central Asia is under-represented in the world's media. Hawking radiation should have been posted too and I'd be OK if this election wasn't on ITN/R. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support; I don't really see how whether we posted some other articles should influence the decision on this one. (For what it's worth, I'd prefer we had posted Hawking radiation, too.) —Nightstallion08:05, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'd like to point out that editors slapping random "strongest possible oppose" votes when they unadmittedly don't know anything about this item, and bringing up entirely unrelated items (i.e., Motor racing, Stephen Hawking) to cite as precedents for why this one should not be posted, is unproductive and incredibly juvenile. Get over it.
For the uneducated, this is a remarkable election from a state that has been without a constitutional government for 6 months since a coup d'état that we posted on ITN. That coup has been overturned by a democratic vote—that's not "routine politics" by any definition.
Regardless of any of that, the story is receiving wide international coverage and elections are on WP:ITN/R. So opposing is meaningless, unless there are any special considerations to take into account. In this case, as I said above, what should be considered is whether to post it now, or when a Prime Minister is re-elected. Until then, the interim government is still in power. Nightw09:01, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You do know what the word 'futile' means right? I mean, I may or may not be 'uneducated', but I'm pretty sure I know my words and stuff. It's a protest vote, 'get over it'. MickMacNee (talk) 13:53, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My comment was not directed at you alone. But your "protest vote" was made with obviously no prior knowledge of the item in question—as you blindly argued that this was "routine politics"—and was therefore ill-placed. Nightw14:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was aware of it, not least because it is in the nominator's rationale. But the fact of the matter is, we already posted the coup, and this blurb is still a routine election posting, coup or no coup, which is why everybody is invoking ITN/R. MickMacNee (talk) 17:07, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article seems ready and there's plenty of support, plus its ITNR. I'd like that there are significant international repercussions here. Kyrgyzstan hosts a NATO base for operations in Afghanistan. A change of government in Kyrgyzstan will certainly have a bearing on that base's future. --Johnsemlak (talk) 17:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This disaster has received little coverage due to the remote location, but unfortunately the aftermath seems to be getting worse. Scanlan (talk) 00:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: acknowledge the importance of the event, reject the mass media criteria of whether there was a TV crew available to film it. Kevin McE (talk) 18:24, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article says the disaster happened on the 6th, which would be much too late to post now even if the article were in good enough shape. It could get on if we had a blurb reflecting a more recent and the article were expanded and updated. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:35, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Indian Army says that nearly 40 militants have been killed by security forces during 25 infiltration attempts in Indian-controlled Kashmir from across the border in the last two months. (China Daily)
Oppose Announcing a Probe is significant but not quite ITN, If it comes back with a significant findings (If it comes back with anything at all) then we might bring it up again. Beurcratic probes happen frequently on all different levels so this is procedure and not surprisingThe Resident Anthropologist (talk) 00:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. The outcome of the investigation might (or might not) change U.S. tactics in hostage rescues, but won't have much of an effect on public policy in general. Physchim62(talk)00:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral/weak oppose. While this probably isn't significant enough for ITN, it's not exactly run of the mill, either. There have been public statements from the British PM and foreign secretary and a two-star American general is leading the investigation, so it's clearly being taken seriously on a diplomatic level. Probably notable, but not enough for ITN. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - the oppose side claims that this not an uncommon scenario. But in fact it is, how many other aid workers in the last 6 months have recieved this extensive coverage not only by english media but by worldwide media. To say oppose on the grouns that its not uncommon what happened to Linda and the aftermath of it is simply not true.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose she was 83; the article says She had been in poor health since a fall. Nothing surprising, and we've had much bigger names who died without getting on the ITN. Nergaal (talk) 19:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Everyone with an article is notable, and I agree we shouldn't post every notable person's death. But this transcends that: she was a leader in her field, an international icon. I'd expect Kiri Te Kanawa's death to be posted; this is no different. TFOWR20:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone care to expand (and possibly rewrite) the information on here death? The rest of the article looks like it could do with tidying up, but the two sentences about her death read much like a news release. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support Look at what Pavarotti said about her etc. And they said this when she was in fine form, so it wasn't just puffery as part of the condolence. per TFOWR, Johnsemlak, physchim YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 00:13, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A Greek policeman was convicted of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment for the shooting of 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos in Athens that sparked the 2008 Greek riots. [6] I would say it is significant enough for ITN... --BorgQueen (talk) 12:49, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. I thought about nominating this when I saw it, because the riots were big (and ITN-featured), but there was something that didn't quite click with me. Is it significant as a follow-up to something that happened two years ago? A policeman convicted of murder seems a bit routine to me – every country has a police force (often several), and no country has found the perfect method to exclude the brutal elements that are attracted by the power they could wield over their fellow citizens (some countries don't bother to try, but that's another story, and it's not Greece). And it seems normal that a policeman who murders, where that can be proven, should be treated the same as any other murderer (i.e., harshly). I'm fine on posting or not, especially as it it getting a respectable amount of coverage, but its only borderline for me as a follow-up story. Physchim62(talk)00:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All three articles could do with an update, as well - they all mention the Nobel Prize in the lead, but there's very little else. I'll take a look at Christopher A. Pissarides now, if someone wants to take on one or tweo of the others? TFOWR11:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The articles would be in a better shape as soon as possible. The link I've cited above should be the best until other reports with a prose within will be announced.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also opposed. This is a precursor to SpaceShipTwo, which will take passengers up starting next year and glide from 80,000 feet. That will be news. The Enterprise just went a few thousand feet above commercial jetliners [7]. Not news.--Chaser (talk) 02:21, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As I've said every time one of these Virgin Galactic items turns up, we should wait for the first suborbital flight (unless there's some disaster). A run-of-the-mill test flight, which breaks no new ground, doesn't cut it. Modest Geniustalk22:49, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The blurb is nice, though "clinched" may be a little POV for the MP. The article is in reasonable shape, but the stuff on this event needs tidying up, sourcing and possibly expanding a little. Also, should we post today or when the tournament ends? And FWiW, more detailed nominations have a better chance of getting up because people understand what's being nominated. Nominators shouldn;t assume that everyone knows what they're talking about. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Winning is the important part. It is less important when the season ends. Anyways, in championships, the winners are usually awarded the trophy when they clinch it, not at the end of the championship. Nergaal (talk) 03:08, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting now - Not sure what the issue is. The championship is won when it is no longer mathematically possible for the championship leader to be overtaken. Waiting till the season ends would be a very odd thing to do, because the news would be old by then... --Daviessimo (talk) 05:35, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not enough reader interest. In order to keep ITN from becoming a sports ticker, only sports items of widespread reader interest should be posted. Volleyball is not a major spectator sport in any country with a lot of English Wikipedia readers. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:14, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support World Championship of a genuinely international, established, professional sport. Show me where interest to Anglophones features in our criteria. Surely ITN exists to generate reader interest in the articles, not merely to service pre-existent interest. If I already knew all about the event and wanted to look up info on it, I would not access it via the Main page. If all we do is repeat what the vast majority of readers will come across in their mainstream mass media, what is the point of ITN? Kevin McE (talk) 07:13, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Read the first sentence of the criteria: "The In the news (ITN) section on the Main Page serves to showcase articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest to the encyclopaedia's readers." There may be countries where volleyball is a major spectator sport -- I don't know of any, but they may exist. But those countries, if they do exist, don't make up a large enough chunk of the English Wikipedia's readers to meet this criterion. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 15:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll admit that I wasn't aware of that: it was changed in January without any prior discussion, and fundamentally changes the thrust of ITN. I'll be raising it at WT:ITN immediately, because it is pointless, IMHO, to have a ITN section that simply mimics the content of mainstream news. Kevin McE (talk) 21:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need to consider that lack of hype doesn't necessarily mean lack of interest or lack of significance. Volleyball may not be a popular spectator sport to put on ESPN, but it is a very widely played sport globally and in all English-speaking countries. Knowledge of the game and its rules is commonplace. It's not like Cricket or American Football where many en.wiki readers don't even know the sport's rules. Given the prominence of the sport, I think it's reasonable to post the world championship of volleyball, which is played once every four years. That's not too much volleyball for ITN (en. or otherwise). We're discussing posting up to 5 marathons annually on ITN, I think we can post one men's volleyball result every four years. I certainly think this is more significant than say, the no hitter thrown a few days ago, even if it get's less press coverage in certain quarters. So I'll happily post my support, assuming the article is expanded.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:07, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The article contains next to no prose, neither the nomination nor the article explain the significance of the tournament and we have had a lot of sport on ITN lately, with even more being discussed elsewhere on this page. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Whole lot more interesting than chess or Aussie football. A widely contested championship (almost everybody has a team, even if they aren't that good). U.S. finished sixth, Australia was one of the 24 competitors, Cameroon advanced to the second round. <---English speakers. Grsz1121:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But that's the thing -- the U.S. played in this tournament, yet 99.5 out of 100 Americans probably had no idea it was going on! Volleyball is indeed a major participatory sport, but it is not a major spectator sport, thus relatively few people (in our readership) are interested in it compared to, say, American football, which has far fewer participants but far more fans. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support considering we posted Aussie football, this should go up as it has more viewership (volleyball is also the most widely played sport at amateur level). Nergaal (talk) 21:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But Aussie footy is big down there. Voleyball, to the best of my knowledge, is widely played, but not "big" anywhere. Is there anywhere that it's as big as football is in Europe or American "football", baseball or even ice hockey or basketball are in North America? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:48, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But we post tons of mariginal sports. Where is chess widely popular as a spectator sport? That is the argument now isn't it? Grsz1102:21, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Take a look at the ITNR and you will see that there are plenty of sports with limited notoriety in general. Yes, Gaelic football is big, but who cares outside a few people in Ireland? Being a champion in volleyball is more prestigious than winning the trophy in gaelic football. Nergaal (talk) 03:10, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Kevin, it's ridiculous to say volleyball's world championship might not be of wide interest to WP viewers just because it's not on cable tv in the US. Also, this is the one time in four years that men's volleyball will be featured on ITN. That's hardly overkill for a a pretty major team sport. All this said, the article still needs some expansion.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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