Talk:History of the Jews in Turkey

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so interesting article Nevertelles a comment You said "Sultan Bayezid II sent Kemal Reis to save the Sephardic Jews of Spain from the Spanish Inquisition in 1492 and granted them permission to settle in the Ottoman Empire." Well the text is writen as if the Spanish Inquisition were killing jews As you know that was not true The King of spains give orders not to kill jews if not to send it away if they are not convert to cristianity In order to clarify please check yorur text Ferdinant Of Aragon was not a Hitler an the Spanis Inquisition in spite of Anglos propaganda tales fortunatly were not for us the German SS The conflict was mantaining in term an level of religion not of racism ( as did the King of Portugal) And finaly thank for your article. Best regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.145.212.253 (talk) 19:59, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

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Great work. Just a few edits. It is inconsitant with Wiki style to place Thessaly as Turkey in at the time in question. At the time of Alexander, Thessally would be part of Greece. Wiki style uses Byzantine Empire for Eastern Roman Empire. I have not removed the original I have added Byszantine as well, which is factually correct. After all there are contuation notations during the Byzantine period.

Indeed there is a lot of valuable information to add in the period before 1300 where there seems to be a a bit of a gap. It makes it seem as though there were not commuinties, when in fact there were many famous communities throughout Asia Minor in Hellenistic and Byzantine times. They should be the same emphasis as the period after the expulsion from Spain, but it is not to difficult to put togethr a couple of paragraphs

Wiki style has these as histories in a place, for example The Jews of France etc. 138.88.243.94 00:13, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

26,000 Jews in Turkey doesn't seem like that much, given how many were in the Ottoman Empire before. I understand the Ottoman Empire was much larger than Turkey, but I'd imagine at least there would be a lot around the commercial and political center in Istanbul, especially when you mention Jews fleeing from Europe to Turkey during WWII. Was there a mass migration to Israel? Were there any ethnic tensions in modern times that prompted large movements? The article makes it seems like all the Jews that went to Turkey never left, but 26,000 isn't that much, so it seems odd to me given how much was written earlier about the impressive vibrant midevil and early modern Turkish Jew community

As mentioned below, most Jews migrated to Israel from Turkey - a large number of Jews fled the Holocaust to Turkey, as the Turkish consular staff in Europe saved a huge number, but they were all funnelled toward Palestine as Turkey was facing severe food shortages and was still dealing with the enormous burden of the refugees from the Balkan Wars and WWI, and the total devastation of Turkey in that period.

Unfortunately, a large percentage of Ottoman Jews lived in regions lost to the Ottomans, including Salonika, where they were an outright majority, and most of these were lost in the Holocaust.

See:

Stanford J. Shaw, Turkey and the Holocaust: Turkey's Role in Rescuing Turkish and European Jewry from Nazi Persecution, 1933-1945. - jpiccone

The Jews of Turkey later migrated to Israel

The vast majority of the European Jews (mainly Ashkenazi) who fled to Turkey from persecution and Nazi extermination later migrated to the newly founded State of Israel. The majority of the long established Turkish Jewish community (almost all Sephardic) also migrated to Israel since its establishment in 1948, especially in the 1950's and 1960's mainly due to economic reasons, rather than persecution or idealism. It is estimated that there are 120,000 Sephardic Jews of Turkish descent living in Israel. Despite the economic hardships in the past, the Turkish Jews are the wealthiest community in Turkey today.

A historical article which is Npov and not dedicated to smearing Ottomans and Turks at last... you cant imagine how rare it is in wikipedia.

I just wish it is all true but I can't help but feel a little deceived as there is no mention of events of September 6-7 1956. Indeed there were and are ethnic tensions in turkey which reflect on the jews too. But then of course it might be fair to say that they are the best treated group among ethnic minorities in Turkey.

There is a page in the Hebrew wikipedia on Daniel de Fonseca. דניאל דה פונסקה --YoavD 10:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Lots of Factual Errors and Lack of References

This article contains some strange factual errors - for instance, the Ottoman Parliament did not meet between 1877 and 1908 - although there were Jewish representatives in both the first period and the later.

Also, the Ottomans were not involved in a war in 1885 - after the Congress of Berlin, the next war was with Greece in 1897, and then Italy in 1911.

There are also some serious issues with references - for instance, 500,000 seems way too large a number for the Jewish population, and in any case there is no source given for this number. Jpiccone (talk) 18:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

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RIdiculous opening paragraph! Lunatic typed it!

Are you KIDDING???!!!! jews is really Jews and, well, just look at sentence 2, paragraph 1. No person with any mind could have typed THAT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.57.142 (talk) 23:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Propagandistic POV article omitted the Struma disaster

Wikipedia ought to be ashamed of itself for allowing such outright lies,propaganda, and half-truths. Far from being the safe haven for Jewish refugees during World War II, Turkey in fact refused to allow Jewish refugees to disembark on its territory when fleeing from Nazi-occupied Europe. To claim otherwise is to deny the sordid sequence of events that led to the Struma disaster. Even the sole survior of that disaster, who narrowly escaped drowning, was thrown in a Turkish prison.

In 1941 when that event occurred, Britain had a strict quota policy of limiting the number of Jewish refugees to enter Mandate Palestine (destined to effectively cut altogether by 1944). In consort with Britain, Turkey allowed Jewish refugees within that quota the right of passage to Mandate Palestine. However, Britain would not allow ships carrying surplus refugees to continue on their journey, and Turkey would not allow those stranded Jews, and Jewish refugees from Europe in general, to settle or even disembark in Turkey.

Claims or implications that Turkey altruistically opened its doors to the Jewish 'huddled masses' of Europe is a callous and gross revision of history.

Jacob Davidson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.68.95.65 (talk) 02:28, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I can only agree with Jacob, the entire neutrality of this article should be reviewed. Its not the first page that changes real history events or creating wrong conclusion because of some mysterious sources