User talk:Extraordinary Machine

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/Archive01: May 22 2005 – September 30 2005

Courtney Love photo

If you wish to list the uploaded photo of Courtney Love, Image:CourtneyLoveWithFrancesBean.jpg at WP:IFD, please do so. I understand your rationale and agree with you wholeheartedly. Sorry for the inconvienance.

Stay Away From Madonna

You are obviously a jealous Mariah fan. Please stop tagging Madonna pages we liked it the way it was now you come and fuck it up. You are a cunt. You fucked up computer nerd mariah scary fan! Just stay away the sites r fine fucker!

Image

Just to let you know, Ive reuploaded image:Miss Carey.jpg without the text, and Ive removed the imd tag. →Journalist >>talk<< 16:18, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Not watching

EM, I'm not watching you, but I have been replying to Freddy's page and I saw your comment. What exactly are the grounds for your RFC? If you're talking about the edits on Shake It Off and We Belong Together I've already conceded them to you, and have agreed in the toning down of the sections like the live performance section, and I haven't reverted them back. If you're talking about the single articles, I believe the charts should be seperated, but I'm not following anyone around. The articles have been on my watchlist for months, and you can look at the history if you dont believe me. Ive been editing them for a long time, and Im not following anyone around. OmegaWikipedia 17:51, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

You're not making much sense here. An RFC is about a conflict which hasnt been resolved. Considering that the Shake It Off edits have been resolved, what is the basis for Wikipedia:Ownership of articles, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Avoid weasel terms, Wikipedia:Cite sources and Wikipedia:Fancruft. Those were the problems at Shake It Off. They have been resolved. If I continued to edit those articles in that fashion violating those policies, yes, then there would be valid grounds for an RFC. But I havent and the issue was resolved. That is the point of an RFC - to resolve an issue. How can you resolve an issue that has been resolved?

And if those articles are on my watchlist, how am I still harrassing you? And we've explained to you on Talk:The Trouble with Love Is also why they should be seperated. We also dont think its POV. That is a debatable matter, but at the moment its not clearly in either fashion. OmegaWikipedia 18:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

EM, if you made specific examples, I'll be glad to comment on them, but don't just say I'm a brick wall. If you dont' want to respond, that's your preorogative. But if you're talking about the edits on the charts, several people are weighing in on both sides - Some like you, Mel, and Hoary want to unify them. Some like me, Boa, USWF, Winnermario, Triggy, etc want to keep them seperated. I definitely dont own the articles nor have I claimed to. But the amount of people who are weighing in who disagree with the chart changes is not just singular. OmegaWikipedia 19:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

What

No I didn't. Somebody else must of. You can take away the dvd covers, but leave the album covers because they need to be there. It's wasn't supposed to be a decoration, but the dvd covers were. User:Tcatron565

Tcatron 565

DON'T CORRECT EVERY THING I DO WRONG!!!!!! IT GETS ON MY NERVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fine I'll put everything from the CD page to the other page. And what is different from the two different album things? Wikipedia is supposed to be fun! But it's not! It has so many rules!!! 9876 to be exact!I never want to talk to u again. Just mail me a letter if I ask you a question! OKAY! BY ! User:Tcatron565

Extraordinary Machine, I believe Tcatron did cite the chart changes to the Avril Lavigne article this time around. Could you please double-check on this instance? Thanks. --Yamla 00:31, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for responding to my message. After further investigation, it seems that Tcatron cited the U.S. chart positions but not those of other nations. I followed up on Tcatron565's discussion page. Frustrating. Two thirds of the time, the user ignores comments and requests. But the other third, I see the user making significant step forwards. For example here, no citation of international chart positions, but the user did cite the U.S. chart positions. --Yamla 03:47, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

re: OmegaWikipedia and Mariah Carey

I've actually had an RfC for him sitting on my desktop for at least a month. I did not file it because I had hoped I could resolve it in another way before then. I don't want to file it now, because if I do it, he'll for sure think I have some sort of personal vendetta against him. I'll just provide you with some more information to aid the RfC, and I will be the first to co-sign (User:Mel Etitis will be second, and User:Volatile will be third). --FuriousFreddy 22:25, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

/OW RfC evidence

image:josh.jpg

The use of this image in the article(s) Josh Hartnett was reviewed by Kelly Martin on 21 September 2005 and deemed likely to qualify as fair use, as it is believed to meet all criteria as described in Wikipedia:Fair use criteria. This image's use on other pages or in different contexts may require additional review.--DrBat 02:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Muhahaha

hello EM. you will be pleased to see my contributions to Emancipation of Mimi and It's Like That (Mariah Carey song).nothing like winding up a load of carey fans with a load of (hip hop) truth. IT'S LIKE THAT Y'ALL! TreveX^talk 02:22, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

"Single" vs. "Song"

Actually, Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs (which is more or less based off of Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums) is a general set of guidelines, not a hard set of rules. As suggested "this is only a guide and you should feel free to personalize an article as you see fit, though others may change it to fit our standards." Users basically have a lot of flexibility to work within and around the rules if they improve the overall quality of the articles.

The example album infobox on the Wikiproject Albums page doesn't include album ordinals, but many album articles such as OK Computer or Heathen Chemistry include them.

Likewise, note that the Wikiproject Songs indicates that "This project is not yet fully defined. Feel free to add stuff to make things clearer." In terms of the naming policy, many editors have given more specific names to song articles, to reflect the types of songs indicated by the infobox, such as "single", "album track", "b-side", etc. For example:

• Rammstein - "Engel (single)"
• Coldplay - "Talk (single)"
• Garbage - "Bleed Like Me (single)"
• Embrace - "Ashes (single)"
• Ash - "Orpheus (2004 single)"
• Foo Fighters - "Low (single)"

It's a subtle difference between say "F.E.A.R. (song)" and "F.E.A.R. (single)", but I believe the article title itself should be as clear and specific as possible. We're trying to make Wikipedia as accurate as possible, non?  :-) --Madchester 17:35, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Note that the naming conventions indicate that "When a track is not strictly a song (in other words a composition without lyrics, or an instrumental that is not a cover of a song), disambiguation should be done using (composition) or (instrumental)." Likewise, we're dealing with (specifically) a single here, so the further disambiguation of (single) is fine; it's a fairly open-ended description. Note that it also states that "When necessary, disambiguation should be done using (band), (album), or (song)." It's "should", not "must", so editors can use their own discretion to make the titles more specific, if necessary. Remember, "It is important to note that these are conventions, not rules written in stone". I'm an administrator, an I personally give leeway to editors in these situations if they're generally following the guidelines set out in Wikipedia's various policies.

--Madchester 18:15, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Template issue

I'm having a problem with your music single information box. Since it is a template, I am unable to remove any unnecessary information. "Recorded" comes up numerous times in this issue. Since albums can be recorded in several places around the world, it is difficult to determine where a specific track was recorded. I was just wondering if you could remove it from the template? --Winnermario 21:09, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. Winnermario 19:40, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Brain Teasers:

Hi, just sending out a friendly notice stating that I have now got brain teasers on my user page. Will post new questions one day after the older ones have been answered. Thanks, Spawn Man 05:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support on my RfA!

Thanks for your support of my adminship!! I was surprised at the turnout and support I got! If you ever have any issues with any of my actions, please notify me on my talk page! Thanks again! BTW did you ever manage to get any more helpful comments on your album article for its FAC? Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 04:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

RE: Image:Mjstudio.jpg

The image I uploaded several days ago, Image:Mjstudio.jpg, I found on Michael Jackson's official website, www.mjjsource.com. If you go to this website and in the breaking news section click on, MICHAEL JACKSON'S VISIT TO LONDON - Photos Monday, October 10th, 2005, you will see this photo along with other photos of Michael Jackson in the studio and out and about in London. Down the bottom of this page, MJJ Source has stated: "This material is rights free and unrestricted use until December 10, 2005. Photo Credits: 2Seas Records, Inc., Copyright, 2005". So this must mean the photo is free to use until this date, right? Street walker 10:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Rainbow

If you want to complain about using American and Japanese as disambiguations for albums, I suggest you clarify WP:NC. It gives an example of country based disambiguation of bands in the same section it discusses album titles, but doesn't say not to do that for albums. Even if non-standard, "American" and "Japanese" certainly were sufficiently descriptive to distinguish the two in this case. Incidentally, I was the one who moved American album -> Mariah Carey album when someone else asked.

As for turning Rainbow (album) into a disambig, I'll admit, I probably should have cleaned that up, but I didn't have the patience for it. Dragons flight 14:49, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

RfC: Pop music issues

See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Pop music issues. --FuriousFreddy 05:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar!

For helping to cut through the overgrown problem that was The Emancipation of Mimi, I, FuriousFreddy, hereby award you with this Editor's Barnstar for dedicated efforts in cleanup, reduction, and copyediting.

This is very well deserved. Congratulations. --FuriousFreddy 19:09, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

re: Thanks.

That's exactly my point; I feel the same as the editor who gave that quote. I don't own any Mariah Carey albums, but I respect her talents and I do enjoy at least a dozen of her songs. All I want is encyclopedic coverage here (which includes, but is not limited to, factuallness, brevity, and knowing where the line between general trivia and Careycruft is drawn). On a related not, I've been looking at a few of the Beatles articles, and they don't seem to read as well as they did to me when I first read them a year or so ago. One of these days, I'm going to have to take a longer look through them. --FuriousFreddy 16:33, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

"Cool" information

THANK YOU?! O_O

I honestly don't know what to say. I thought you loathed me. Why are you helping the article with its FA? --Winnermario 00:07, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Well thank you. And I'm sorry about our recent disputes. But it looks like I'm going to have to renominate it, since it's going to end up failing in the end. But thanks! Maybe you'll support it. Meh. Thanks. --Winnermario 00:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

If we can remedy them (you appear to be helping), I am in your debt. Thank you. --Winnermario 00:23, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Can you reference Gwen Stefani's quote paragraph of "Cool"? I did the exact same thing you did with the other quotes, but not surprisingly, it's failing for me. Thanks. --Winnermario 01:25, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I am reverting the charts. I don't care if people are complaining about them, unified charts are POV, and I'm restoring the images, as two of them play an important role in telling the story. (The fourth one does not so much.) --Winnermario 01:36, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

There. I like it. Please leave those two images. And you know that I will continue to revert those charts. --Winnermario 01:42, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Do you care to answer my questions on the "Cool" talk page? --Winnermario 21:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Nice work on that "chart trajectory" image. I have a strong preferance for it over the endless HTML tables that have started showing up everywhere. Jkelly 16:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Please do not consult the objections made by User:Jgm at the "Cool" nomination, as his requests are a bit more than "perplexing". He also doesn't appear to realize that "...by Gwen Stefani" means that she sings the song over the fact that she co-penned the lyrics.

So please do not worry about his objections. In addition, with twelve supports and two objections (User:Hoary will never agree with something that I edited), I'm sure the article is not facing much competition. --Winnermario 00:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm afraid I didn't follow the latter part of your message. --Winnermario 00:25, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

It's not like I'm editing "Cool" to be famous for helping it achieve FA status. But thanks anyways. --Winnermario 00:30, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I am editing "Cool" because I think it's a noteworthy song. If it were for other reasons, the presumed "I want to be known for editing a FA article", that would be the most conceited thing somebody would have ever done. --Winnermario 00:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Question. When the chart positions are updated, is it possible for you to remove "0" from the trajectory and replace it with a "1", as it is impossible to reach "number zero" on the charts? --Winnermario 00:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

My thanks! :) --Winnermario 00:58, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

"Minor" edits

Yeah, if you just search yourself at the RIAA.com database, you'll see for yourself that the certifications for Hilary Duff's albums that currently are in the article are simply megafan crap; Metamorphosis is only 3x platinum, not 4x platinum, Hilary Duff is only platinum, not 2x platinum, and those sales for Most Wanted were simply made up. Though I donnot have an official source for the sales I posted, if you go to the UKMIX forums, they give weekly album sale breakdowns. Triggy 22:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Bounty Board

Greetings. You've recently been involved with working on get articles up to featured status, so I wanted to let you know about a new page, Wikipedia:Bounty board. People have put up monetary bounties for certain articles reaching featured status - if the article makes it, the bounty lister donates the stated amount of money to the Wikimedia Foundation. So you can work on making articles featured, and donate other people's money at the same time. If this sounds interesting, I hope you stop by. – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 22:21, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

"Cool" FA status

Cool (song) is a featured article. Your contribution to the article is greatly appreciated. Thank you. --Winnermario 23:42, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

The chart trajectory extends into week seventeen for "Cool": number fifty in the U.S. and number six in Canada. And remember to remove that zero. Thanks! :) --Winnermario 20:06, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much. So would it be okay to extend this trajectory for three more weeks to reach week twenty? --Winnermario 16:39, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Again, thank you very much. I'll see what I can do. :) --Winnermario 16:44, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Giuseppe Verdi

Would you care to elaborate on Talk:Giuseppe Verdi why you added the NPOV tag? It might help other editors to improve the article. Just slapping the template on is generally considered poor style. Thank you. Lupo 09:40, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Tcatron565

I see that you have warned Tcatron565 for repeated copyright violations. As this user has been violating copyright for many many weeks now and has been continually warned, I have requested comment on that user at RFC Tcatron565. See Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_conduct for the full list. You may wish to contribute some thoughts there. --Yamla 14:54, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Peer review?

I've noticed that your contributions have helped turn several music-related articles into Featured Articles. Would you care to add to a peer review on Marilyn Manson? The band might not be quite to your taste, but I'd like to get your feedback on the article. Thanks! --keepsleeping say what 18:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Issues with User:Mel Etitis once again

It appears at Hollaback Girl, Mel Etitis went ahead and removed the entire critical response section and the notes sourcing the information. Since you and him appear to be good friends, I would much appreciate it if you explained to him that these sections are certainly relevant to a song article, especially when one wants it to achieve FA status; he (so far) fails to process this. Thanks much. --Winnermario 00:48, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The so-called "critical response" section seemed (and still seems) to me to consist largely of long-winded and very badly-written introductions to people who say little more than "this sounds like the people who produced it", "it's good", or "its bad". There was nothing that needed saying that couldn't have been said in the article, with one or two of the references in the External links section. (I was astonished, incidentally, at just how many spelling and grammatical mistakes, not to mention fan-speak, had been crammed in to a fairly small set of additions.) I've left the section in, but corrected the errors; I still think it doesn't belong in an encyclopædia article, though.

In fact that might be at the heart of the problem. I have, and never have had, any interest in Featured articles; my interest is in improving Wikipedia. The small bunch of editors whose joy is to revert all my changes have a peculiar attitude to FA, as though it's the point of the whole enterprise. This means that, at the same time as in many articles they're splitting tables that I've unified and reverting my attempts to remove unnecessary columns (while ignoring attempts to discuss the issue at, for example, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts*), they're happy to have tables unified in Hollaback Girl, the article that they're pushing for FA status, and are cutting even more columns than I've been doing.

(* Actually Winnermario has left a foot-stamping, confrontational message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts, but I can't make complete sense of it, and it didn't exactly help with an attempt to find consensus. It boiled down to: "I'll never change my mind; if I don't get my way I'll leave Wikipedia, and I think that Mel Etitis and Hoary just want to get their own way and shouldn't be allowed to edit.") --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:28, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Happy Saturday, Extraordinary Machine. Your contributions are greatly appreciated. The Canadian "Cool" position drops to #16, while the U.S. position is now #57. Have a great day. --Winnermario 14:54, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the best way for us to be acquainted, but whatever the situation, there are several issues that must be addressed. First and foremost, User:Winnermario has delcared her departure from Wikipedia, which she blames on the number of users who exhibit rotten and crude behaviour. Please note that it was her who wrote that, not me. In wake of this sudden turn of events, she requested me to ask you of one last favour in addition to her post from earlier today, concerning the "Cool" chart trajectory. She would much appreciate it if you constructed a chart trajectory for Hollaback Girl, which was her current project. I sereve as her—you could say—successor, as I am fulfilling the role of upgrading the state of song articles here on Wikipedia (with the participation in some film projects).

Canadian Singles Chart trajectory: 12 - 12 - 12 - 5 - 5 - 3 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 5 - 5 - 7 - 12 - 9 - 12 - 12 - 16 - 25 - 20 - 22 - 29 - 26 - 34

U.S. Singles Chart trajectory: 82 - 57 - 37 - 10 - 3 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 2 - 2 - 3 - 6 - 6 - 9 - 11 - 18 - 22 - 22

I apologize for the current circumstances. If this discussion (and its cofounding users) are truly as terrible as she has stated, then I have no reason to reject the situation. I'll be participating in the ongoing debate until a conclusion is met with, and will offer as much money ("two-cents", if you will) as I possibly can. So, again, I'm sorry for how everything is running at this time, but I hope that we get the opportunity to converse again in the future. Mariah says "thanks for being there".

--Hollow Wilerding 23:10, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcoming package (where there to be red ribbons included? :P), and don't worry. You don't have to format the chart trajectory for Hollaback Girl anytime soon, but her final request was for you to construct it whenever time was available to you, okay? So thank you muchly, and I wish to see you soon. --Hollow Wilerding 23:26, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

Oh, I'm not refusing to comment. But I will look at it ASAP. OmegaWikipedia 20:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

re: merges.

Ruh-oh. And just when I'd resigned myself to the idea that Wikipedia was headed for the fancruft toilet. Let's see how this goes. --FuriousFreddy 02:28, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

As far as "Theme from Mahogany (Do You Know Where You're Going To)" goes, the edit I'd made (wit hthe one paragraph on the covers) was as much merging as really needed to go one there. It could possibly be slightly expanded, but not by much. The Mariah Carey article covers a single that wasn't given a proper release, and holds no substantial notability, except to Mariah Carey completists (if we want to get really crazy, one would ask "how come the Jennifer Lopez version, which has to be by default just as important as the Mariah Carey version, wasn't given it's own article," but the answer is obvious). It doesn't even require a second (or even a combined) infobox. --FuriousFreddy 02:59, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Hollow Wilerding

I may be wrong, but judging by the inability to write without violent language (as with the last part of this) and edit summaries like this, Hollow Wilerding seems to me to be Winnermario (who, though claiming to be a University-age female was clearly an adolescent male; he explained his e-mail address by saying that he shared it with a younger cousin...). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:34, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Gossip is not appreciated. For one, you accusing me of being User:Winnermario with two individual edits that don't live up to the standards of Mariah are vile — she did tell me to avoid you, and that I've been attempting to accomplish. And two, your comment about Mariah pretending to be in University is interestingly amusing. Do you honestly believe that she's an adolescent male because she happens to share her PC with her younger cousin? It's preposterous. And those edits are not violent; they are merely my questioning evolving into minor fury. --Hollow Wilerding 02:04, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Please correct

Hi. I am operating under two assumptions. The first is that you are not an admin, and the second is that you would make a good one. Can you let me know if I am incorrect on either of these two points? Jkelly 21:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Hm... now I think that you're mistaken. At least from what I've seen, you have better mediation skills than many. Jkelly 02:09, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the tip. And per above comments:I think you would make a good admin. You know a considerable amount of Wiki-policies — and really, who reads every policy? In any case I think you are even more familiar with policies than I am :) Anytime you want to be nominated, just let me know. Oran e (t) (c) (@) 22:06, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Not to be pushy

I do not wish to sound pushy, so if I am, I heavily apologize. As per one of User:Winnermario's final wishes, I plan on nominating Hollaback Girl for featured article status on November 13, 2005. Would it be possible for you to complete the chart trajectory by that date? --Hollow Wilerding 00:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey, thank you for adding the chart trajectory! :) I was also wondering, would it be possible to format it the way that "Cool" has it layed out? --Hollow Wilerding 23:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

At this point I am aware that I am becoming a nusiance, but pushing the FA status for Hollaback Girl is something I want to accomplish because of User:Winnermario. The "Cool" position of the week in Canada is #12, however, since I have been unable to locate the U.S. position, could you hold off updating its trajectory? Thank you, and I was just wondering: does the program you use create an unlimited line graph (I know, it stops somewhere, but you know what I mean)? --Hollow Wilerding 13:37, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi! Could I request another favour from you? I have a friend in Australia who happened to stumble upon the Australian chart trajectory for "Hollaback Girl". If you have the time (you don't need to add it anytime soon), could you please add it to the trajectory in the article? Much appreciated.

1 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 8 - 17 - 21 - 31 - 41 - 50 - 72 - 79 - 91 - 83 - 93 - 99.

--Hollow Wilerding 19:12, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I thank you for helping with Hollaback Girl. If you ever require any help on an article, just ask me, okay? It has been good working with you. --Hollow Wilerding 01:39, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

I have a question for you, concerning this edit made by User:Mel Etitis. According to him, charts should not have the year repeated, yet he reverted my chart edits and kept "2005" there. Also, because of Hollaback Girl and Cool's stats, they are supposed to show an example for future Wikipedia song articles. Is it there a reason he moved "Chart performance" to the bottom with the charts, and reverted the header "Writing process" back to "Song information" when it was him who said "Song information" has no meaning? His intentions are becoming very questionable. This is also exhibited on my talk page, where he wrote this. I am beginning to wonder if he is here only to hassle its users. --Hollow Wilerding 20:47, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Madonna commons picture

Hi, an anon ip changed the description of this Image:Madonna0605.jpg on commons at 18:56 from Source: courtesy of the magazine publisher, Meredith Corporation to uploaded by a fan. User:Red-Blue-White then removed the image from Madonna (entertainer) at 19:04 claiming the image is not PD. I don't think we have to be from mensa to work that out :-) Arniep 19:35, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

they reverted it back stating The picture is uploaded by an unknown not announced person. :-( Arniep 20:40, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

FA

Hi EM. Ive seen all the great work that you have done on the MC. article, so I was wondering you would mind taking a look at Celine Dion. Its far from finished (it may have a few subtle language errors), but ive been working on it and would like to submit it for FA status by the end of this month. At the moment, images are my main concern. Also, I know the sources are not cited properly, but Im gonna fix that friday (my only free day). I have a test that I really need to go study for. Anyway, please take a look and get back to me if its not a bother. Thanks in advance.

PS Ive made a change to your userpage. See if you can spot the dif. Θrǎn e (t) (c) (e-mail) 22:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Another issue concerning User:Mel Etitis

Mel Etitis seems to have a blatant number of reasons for his opinion being the correct one. Judging by some of his edits in Cool (song), he insists that songs with remixes are spelled out the following...

"Cool" (album version)

"Cool" (Phoetex remix)

...over the correct form:

"Cool (Album Version)"

"Cool (Phoetex Remix)"

His behaviour is not one to clash with, and unfortunately, I've met with this fate. I'd really appreciate it if you could give me some advice. Mel Etitis is pushing my buttons with inaccurate edits. I apologize for continuously hounding you. --Hollow Wilerding 21:00, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, um, thanks for the advice? --Hollow Wilerding 22:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

About Smallville Credits

hi, i wonder, why are you doing this to Smallville? it took me months to complete that article with big effort , every single day i just revived a lonely article and now you just want to delete an article because you just want to do it? before setting up a deletion mark, just be decent and add a reason ok? then why not try puttin that deletion mark everywhere on wikipedia as you wish

why not do that to the OC page for example? be fair c'mon there won't be any copyright issues, the WB just wants to promote their series and we are helping giving information to everyone, that's Wikipedia about passing the knowledge to everyone...

--Charlie144 07:08, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment

I actually think it would be better and more organize if we separate the articles by albums instead of years just look at Madonna's page it's very neat and about Ashlee Simpson it would be better if you separate film and music and the controversies.

Thanks

About your cover image for Cool (song)

By the file name it appears to originate from Amazon. There is no clear policy about this, but personally I would recommend scanning an image yourself because even with fair use it is a commercial third vendor which can technically claim copyright on the jpg. If you can rescan it (because I don't have the single) then you would make it easier. IIRC Amazon had once been asked about using their images but couldn't give a positive or negative reply. Even though the image may originate from Interscope, it is not always the case for commercial vendors and often they have to create the images themselves, so you cannot say that it is from Interscope. It could very well be produced by amazon. My recommendation is please scan it yourself and replace the image to prevent any problems. KittenKlub 16:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I've checked the user out, but he doesn't seem to be online that much, so I made the statement in the Talk Page. I am still curious about this case, because it seems like the vendor has commercial interests since it's part of their business. KittenKlub 17:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Well you'll have to also address this to the user who placed the images on Hollaback Girl (who I am assuming is the above?). --Hollow Wilerding 21:02, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I do see, thanks. Also, I'd recommend that you archive your talk page. It's growing rather... long, for lack of a better word. --Hollow Wilerding 21:16, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Unless I've yet to see it, could you add the source from where you located the quote by Stefani on Cool (song)? Much appreciated, oh, and congratulations on November! :) –Hollow Wilerding 23:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

It's okay, we all make silly errors; could you add the source since you were the one who discovered it? Much appreciated, as always. –Hollow Wilerding 20:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Image:Janet Jackson Nude Sunbathing.jpg

Why did you tag this as no copyright info? It was clearly labeled as a screenshot from a film ({{film-screenshot}}), which is fair use. This photo illustrates the section in the Janet Jackson article that describes a surreptitious film of Jackson taken by paparazzi. Firebug 23:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• No one knows who the copyright holder on this video is. Mainstream media (see [1]) discussed this video. As per MSNBC: "The exact source of the video and when it was shot was unclear. Photos taken at the same time popped up online last year." Thus, it is essentially impossible to provide more detailed information. Why would fair use depend on who the copyright holder is? Firebug 23:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia:Fair use requires "Proper attribution of the source of the material, and attribution of the copyright holder (if it is different) where possible". In this case, it is not possible, since no one knows who the copyright holder of the film is. Furthermore, your statement that it is necessary to write an essay for each photo explaining why it is fair use does not match Wikipedia practice. The explanation is already covered by the template; before viewing the photos uploaded by you, I have not seen a single fair use screenshot that met the criteria you outline. Look at almost any article that includes film, computer, video, or game screenshots, and these will all use the template as their explanation of fair use. Firebug 23:49, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
    • As an example, see all of the following:
      • Image:Star wars dvd cover.jpg
      • Image:Indiana.jpeg
      • Image:Pac-man.png
      • Image:Super Mario Bros box.jpg
    • These are all fair use images on important, high traffic articles. None of them justify fair use beyond the template. Nor are these anomalies. This is the norm. Please provide evidence that this is not acceptable practice on Wikipedia. Remember, policy is not set in stone; it is set by practice and consensus. Firebug 23:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Classic Rock

Hello. I was wondering if you would like to participate in my classic rock survey. I'm trying to find the most like classic rock song. There is more information on my user page. Hope you participate! RENTASTRAWBERRY ^{FOR LET?} röck 00:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Cool (song)

Good work there. Jkelly 18:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Waterboys for some irony; I wound up getting feedback of concern for using material from the American Academy of Poets and World Music: The Rough Guide. The comments were completely understandable, but I found it a little amusing in the context of disputes over what counts as a reliable source for Cool (song) and Hollaback Girl. Jkelly 18:16, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

FAC/Marilyn Manson

Thanks for your input last month at Wikipedia:Peer review/Marilyn Manson. The article benefited greatly from all of those comments, and it's now a Featured Article candidate. I would definitely appreciate your vote! --keepsleeping say what 20:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

• I've addressed your objection. Thanks for voting. --keepsleeping say what 23:00, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Some curious questions

Seeing as you were interested in contributing to Cool (song)'s featured article status, I was curious to know if you could quickly scan another Gwen Stefani single Hollaback Girl. Its nomination at FAC failed, and unfortunately, I myself can't seem to pick out any other edits that have to be made to the article. It would be appreciated on all levels.

Also, you seem to have yourself categorized as a "Wikipedian teenager". Are you really a teenager? Your behaviour and personality (from what I've gathered) could classify you as an adult in my book of life. —Hollow Wilerding 01:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the web-link, and I suppose it is very cool to have teenagers editing on Wikipedia! :D —Hollow Wilerding 13:42, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Kelly Clarkson

Hi, thanks for your message to me about the edits made to Kelly Clarkson's page. I'm thinking of complaining to the powers that be of Wikipedia, because it is ungrammatical in English to write a title with only the first letter of the initial word and nouns in capitals, leaving the rest in lower-case letters, and titles of things such as books, songs, programmes etc. are supposed to use single quotation marks (' ') when italics are not available (i.e. in handwriting), but it is available on WIkipedia, and should be used.

I don't think the rules here have been really thought through very well, and seem to me to be in quite a mess.

Leon.

Mariah Carey references

Sure thing. I've got a bit of free time this afternoon, so I'll work on it and get back to you. Do you have any specific requests in mind? Like specific albums that should be reviewed, etc., or should I just try for a random assortment? Also, any preference for magazines like Entertainment Weekly over news print sources? --Spangineer^es (háblame) 19:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

All done. Check the talk page, and let me know if you need anything else. --Spangineer^es (háblame) 21:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Mariah Carey "Striptease"

Thank you for your concerns over the passage. In fact, what I described is what happened. She merely took off her sweater, and had a top and hot pants undernearth. For some bizarre reason, people subsequently described this as a "striptease," when it was anything but. I addressed this by describing what precisely did happen, but at the same time, mentioning how those who reported it described it. In so doing, I addressed the fact that they reported it inaccurately, while still mentioning what they said. This did not involve any original research, since the sources I utilized were the actual broadcast and the descriptions people (like news outlets or commentators) gave on it. If you have any other questions about it, feel free to ask. :-) Thanks. Nightscream 17:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Curiosity again

I must be vexing you out of your spirits by now (and sorry if I am), however because of your participation in bringing "Cool" to featured article status (among others), I was wondering if you would like to edit Stefani's What You Waiting For? for featured status? It'd sort of be like a collaboration, and User:DrippingInk will be participating (despite his mirror past). I'll be awaiting your reply! —Hollow Wilerding 14:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Of course I do not take this personally. Your contributions on Wikipedia are excellent, regardless of the article you edit, so thank you nonetheless. Perhaps we could collaborate some other time. —Hollow Wilerding 16:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Administrators' rollback et al

Orane (do you mind if I call you that?), I just noticed this revert of yours on Mariah Carey, and I thought I'd tell you about something to do with the administrators' rollback feature. Per Wikipedia:Revert, "Rollbacks should be used with caution and restraint. Reverting a good-faith edit may send the message that "I think your edit was no better than vandalism and doesn't deserve even the courtesy of an explanatory edit summary." It is a slap in the face to a good-faith editor; do not abuse it. If you insist on using the rollback feature for non-vandalism edits, be sure to explain on the talk page of the user whose edit(s) you reverted." I didn't think the edits were that great either, but just a simple edit summary explaining the revert goes very far; additionally, it means that Special:Recentchanges patrollers won't mistake the editor being reverted for a vandal. On an unrelated note, I read yesterday that somebody whom we both like received eight Grammy nominations, which is cool. :) Anyway, see you! Extraordinary Machine 21:54, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, and no, I dont mind, please call me Orane (that's my name). As for the rollback, I apologise, I should have explained my reasons on that talk page (its just that I was rushing as I was late for work. Also, that rollback button causes one to become quite lazy :-). Anyway, I digress. I didnt mean to send the message that "your edit wasn't good enough", but I thought that the additions slightly disrupted the flow of the intro, especially the additions at the end of it. Wont happen again without a discussion first.

Yep, M.C has eight Grammy nods. Call me skeptical or mean, but I believe that Im just being realistic when I say she wont win any (or will receive two at most). She has never been a favourite of the Grammy voters (with good reasons). Hope you dont mind the long list, but here are my predictions for the wins in her categories (in bold):

• Record Of The Year
  • We Belong Together (Mariah Carey)
  • Feel Good Inc. (Gorillaz)
  • Boulevard Of Broken Dreams (Green Day)
  • Hollaback Girl (Gwen Stefani)
  • Gold Digger (Kanye West)

• Album Of The Year
  • The Emancipation Of Mimi (Mariah Carey)
  • Chaos And Creation In The Backyard (Paul McCartney)
  • Love. Angel. Music. Baby. (Gwen Stefani)
  • How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb (U2)
  • Late Registration (Kanye West)

• Song Of The Year
  • Bless The Broken Road (Rascal Flatts)
  • Devils & Dust (Bruce Springsteen)
  • Ordinary People (John Legend)
  • Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own (U2)
  • We Belong Together (Mariah Carey)

• Best Female Pop Vocal Performance
  • It's Like That (Mariah Carey)
  • Since U Been Gone (Kelly Clarkson)
  • Good Is Good (Sheryl Crow)
  • I Will Not Be Broken (Bonnie Raitt)
  • Hollaback Girl (Gwen Stefani)

• Best Female R&B Vocal Performance
  • 1 Thing (Amerie)
  • Wishing On A Star (Beyoncé)
  • We Belong Together (Mariah Carey)
  • Free Yourself (Fantasia)
  • Unbreakable (Alicia Keys)

• Best Traditional R&B Vocal Performance
  • Mine Again (Mariah Carey)
  • Summertime (Fantasia)
  • A House Is Not A Home (Aretha Franklin)
  • If I Was Your Woman (Alicia Keys)
  • Stay With You (John Legend)

• Best R&B Song
  • Cater 2 U (Destiny's Child)
  • Free Yourself (Fantasia)
  • Ordinary People (John Legend)
  • Unbreakable (Alicia Keys)
  • We Belong Together (Mariah Carey)

• Best Contemporary R&B Album
  • Touch (Amerie)
  • The Emancipation Of Mimi (Mariah Carey)
  • Destiny Fulfilled (Destiny's Child)
  • Turning Point (Mario)
  • O (Omarion)

Wow, sorry for the long list; It must be wasting your user page. Feel free to wipe everything out after reading, I wont mind. Oran e (t) (c) (e-mail) 15:53, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Im sure that it will be very useful. I really want to sit and work on the article, but I have an Economics test on Wednesday, so I gotta go study. TTYL. Oran e (t) (c) (e-mail) 17:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Translated articles

I've seen that before on some Wikipedias - out of curiosity what is the point if only part of the article is translated and the content changes later on anyway? I always thought the message was to be written only when doing an entire translation. I'll add the template, but just curious. Mithridates 17:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Check the bottom of the page now. That's the same one I've seen the Interlingua Wikipedia use when doing the same thing. I assume that would be acceptable? Mithridates 17:25, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

KaDee Strickland

Congrats on mainpage! I remember voting for this article, which you had nominated for FAC, and was impressed by the amount written on such a little-known celebrity. Congrats to you, again! -Mysekurity^{(have you seen this?)} 04:28, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, congrats on it Extraordinary Machine. Of course, I'm not that much interested in all that entertainment and whatnot, but hot diggity damn boy, you've got some talent for writing articles about the industry. I hope you get paid big bucks at some sleuthy mag. 70.48.111.198 09:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Congrats again on Main Page. There is quite a stir among Wikipedians about it. I enjoyed reading the article and she is nice eye candy!!! (very attractive)--Adam 19:13, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

re Talk:Main Page

copied from User talk:Doops: Sorry about removing your comment. I performed a revert on the vandalism that occurred before you posted your message, and was in the process of restoring your message when an edit conflict occurred between myself and a vandal. Sorry! Extraordinary Machine 17:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand. I was reverting the vandal the slow way (i.e. by "editing this version" on the last good revision and then pasting in my text at the bottom before saving) and you beat me to it. Doops | talk 17:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Question on Strickland article

What you're saying, then, is that no person or organization in the field of public relations, or in any way associated with Ms. Strickland, had anything to do with the creation of this article, or with its ascension to featured article status, in any way, shape, or form? BYT 18:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Strickland quotes remain unsourced

I have left a query for you on this at Talk:KaDee Strickland. BYT 13:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Celine Dion

This is probably a bother, but could you please take another look at the Céline Dion article. Ive taken the comments at the last FA and have tried to address them: Ive found many print sources, about 5 Books, more authoritative reviews:New york Times, Billboard.com, Los Angeles Times etc. Ive addressed her music, changes in sounds/genres, motivation etc. at the end of each sub-section, and Ive also added a "Image and Celebrity status" section at the bottom. You can reply at the peer review. Thanks. Oran e (t) (c) (e-mail) 01:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

By the way, do you know how to upload audio samples (or where I could get them). I have never done that. Oran e (t) (c) (e-mail) 01:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

You're a good editor, Extraordinary Machine

You obviously have what it takes to write a featured article. Why don't you focus on subjects that are more deserving of your talents? --malber 13:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

New Message

To see your new message see What.

Hallo EM

I'm not a brand new user. Count my vote or don't count my vote- it's the comments that matter and I said my piece. It annoys me that the right of editors to not register is challenged on wiki, despite the fact that refusing to countenance anonymity is against the rules, and in my opinion, anti wiki. This is obviously a charged issue at the moment. Once again, I don't mean to denigrate you personally, as I feel the problem here stems from deficiencies in the system itself, not just the quality of your efforts. I look forward to hearing your response to my comments on the Strickland FARC page- particularly your view as to whether the article breached the guidelines for an FA in the first place in hindsight. I personally feel that this point at least is manifest. Once again though, I am not attacking you- to my knowledge, you did (and pretty much continue to be doing) everything in the correct way. Signed (reluctantly)86.139.28.9 21:35, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

• Hi EM- Well, my opinion of the article is stated clearly elsewhere and I stand by that, but as a rule of thumb- don't worry about criticism. If nothing else, some important points about the FA process specifically and wikipedia in general have been made in the debate, which counts as a service by you (albeit indirectly!) to the project. To my mind, it wasn't your error, if an error was committed at all (and I have to say, in this case I think there was one). It's a shame you are absorbing such a lot of heat, I know it can't be too nice and of course it will soon die away. Don't worry too much about it and chin up! Cheers, 86.139.28.9 01:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for screwing up the numbering

I'll see if I can get up to speed on this before adding more material. Thanks for the links. BYT 13:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Piped links

I thank you for informing me of this, but could you please explain how you knew about my edits to the Hero (Mariah Carey song) article? —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 21:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

...If you do insist. —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 21:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Batxx (talk)

This person's link spamming continues—seven total, and counting, as I write this RadioKirk 00:22, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Nine, now... RadioKirk 00:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Will do RadioKirk 00:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Looks like he got the point, it stopped at nine. RadioKirk 21:07, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Janet Jackson references

I guess because I didn't like the way it look, I don't know. I was sure someone would post links and/or references to the Janet page. I guess I need to know what I'm doing before I erased such stuff, I guess. LOL -- Posted by BrothaTimothy, 21 September 2005, 24:10 PM (UTC)

Radio Maryja

Please help me with this article. People are biased, because it is about religion mixed with racism and politics (the radio openly supports the ruling party PiS in Poland), and I cannot get through the editorial war with some users who keep reverting me.

Here is an article about this racist issue, that I cannot decribe in English due to vandalism against any new : http://www.or.org.pl/artykuly/acala-rm.html The article was prepared by the anti-racist movement in Polanmd and comes from their website. However, even link to this article was erased, as well as other my comments on it being a "hate radio". Please, help. Moa anbessa 12:01, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts

Tell me what you think of the album pages proposal. --FuriousFreddy 17:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Mariah Carey

Please see the above wikilink. —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 14:00, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Responded. Please see the talk page once again. Thanks. —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 18:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:User windows

Good call on the fair use image... surprising no one caught it before! ~MDD4696 06:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Image at Benji Madden

As I assume you also have, I've been watching Benji Madden recently and noticed that people have been removing images from the article. Another editor said on Talk:Benji Madden that the image at Benji Madden was actually of Joel, not Benji. Could you please confirm or deny this on that talk page? --Idont Havaname 05:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Leaving?

I hope that doesn't mean you are leaving. I made a couple edits to KaDee Strickland, and I'm not 100% sure about them. Anyway, great work on it and the other articles - pop culture articles especially :).

Thanks, and hope you have a nice holiday :) WhiteNight ^{T | @ | C} 19:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bulbasaur

I have added Fair Use rationale to all of the Fair Use images on the Bulbasaur article: I feel your concern has been addressed. Thank you. --Celestianpower ^háblame 12:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Nice Work

Nice work on your pop culture-related articles. Wikipedia thanks you for your services. -- Mac Davis ญƛ. 13:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't look at your user page, there are a lot of Barnstars!! -- Mac Davis

Just a question

Are you aware of any Wikipedians who are capable of creating OGG files for music? I was going to ask User:FuriousFreddy, but since he has taken a departure from Wikipedia (hopefully not permanent), I obviously cannot. Do you know of any? And happy new year to you! —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 15:27, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. By the way, I am aware that you saw my candancy at RfA. Just ignore it, as it has failed because of one incident. Thanks! :) —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 16:12, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey again, EM. I'm having a difficult time referencing a source at Luxurious (song). I was wondering if you knew the correction citation and could perhaps do it for me (if it isn't too much trouble)? Thanks!

This is the source. —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 03:22, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

No? Well you could have at least dropped me a line. All right, thanks anyway. Happy new year! —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 15:32, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it appears as though you did. Excuse my lazy eyes today, as this is an example of New Year's Eve night. Nonetheless, let's continue contributing this year too! By the way, don't leave Wikipedia, because your edits are excellent. (November is quite impressive.) Happy new year! —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 15:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Heaven (Ayumi Hamasaki single)

Where are you getting that this article is a song article? "HEAVEN" may be an Ayumi Hamasaki song in itself, but this article is about the single, which has multiple tracks and other such distinguishing factors. Calling the article a song article is misleading; a reader would probably think the article was about one particular song rather than a collection of songs. Furthermore, in reading your talk page, I see that you've moved other pages from "single" to "song" before, particularly F.E.A.R. (single), which was moved back after someone discussed it with you. How is the case of this single, and the other Ayumi Hamasaki singles, different from that case? Kamezuki 01:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I just looked over Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Album_titles_and_band_names, and I didn't see anything concerning singles--just songs, albums, bands and the like. What part of this policy states that singles should be listed as songs? Like I said before, this article isn't about a song; it's about a single, which contains multiple songs. If the title of an article contains "song" when the article is not solely about one song, it can be misleading. I realize that nowadays, many of the "singles" released in Western countries are actually just one song and may not even be packaged in a physical medium; however, in Japan (and possibly in other countries), which has a single-driven market, singles are treated differently and cannot, and should not be lumped under the term "song". Kamezuki 00:38, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank alot for your helpful tips on the policy. I'm very glad you tell me or I would not even read the policy all or even fix it. You are a very nice person. Darknshadow 23:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

A problem with your username

I just want to say that I first listened to 'Extraordinary Machine' about two weeks ago, and I love it. My problem is that every time I see an edit of yours on RC Patrol, it makes me want to listen to the whole album. Maybe if I grow tired of it, I'll have to whitelist your edits :). -- MicahMN | μ 18:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

What happen to the Confessions of a Broken Heart article?

What happened to Lindsay Lohan's article on Confessions of a Broken Heart? I was more than shocked that it was deleted. I, as a person who often visits Wikipedia, am not satisfied with the actions you have taken. I don't "like" Lindsay Lohan but her video is really interesting and I enjoyed reading that article. When I checked back 2 weeks later, it disappears. Where is your common sense? Why don't you delete the Hung Up Madonna song? It's just a music video, song, single like Lindsay's! Please stop being biased or I have to report you.

Response

Wikipedia is wrong then. Songs are not spelled out the way you insist they been when remixes have been created. I must refrain from reverting though, since you say it's part of the MoS. However, the archived talk page is ridiculous. I just discovered Wikipedia today and may not know much about it, but why would a talk page be archived if it exceeds 30KB? Judging by a few articles that are very good, they are over 50KB! The article on my favourite singer Mariah Carey approaches that distinction! That's just the main article itself though... why should a talk archive be treated the same way? 64.231.72.45 23:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I have a talk page called Hollow Wilerding? What do you mean that I've been reported for evading a block? Could you please answer my question? 64.231.72.45 23:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Huh? An administrator check my IP? You are losing me here. Could you answer my question and explain what you are attempting to tell me? 64.231.72.45 00:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello? 64.231.72.45 00:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Why am I not receiving a response? 64.231.72.45 00:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I decided to investigate for myself what you had mentioned since you were rude and did not respond to my question. The administrators' noticeboard link you gave me did not help until I noticed a "Hollow Wilerding" in the directory. I see that they had IP addresses beginning with "64", the same as mine. I am not Hollow Wilerding though and am no way affiliated with them. If you choose not to believe me, you may conduct that user check you were mentioning. Could you respond to me now? 64.231.72.45 00:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I see you have your hands full with HW and her ways :-O so here's a WikiCookie to snack on while this saga continues. -- getcrunkjuice^contribs 09:42, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Once Moore album cover.jpg has been listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:Once Moore album cover.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

Mindmatrix 00:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Edit by Lil_Flip246

Following your catch of the non-NPOV edit by this user, (s)he asked why; I hope my stepping in to respond was not too presumptuous:

I don't understand why you removed that section on Lindsay Lohan. Why? -Lil_Flip246

On behalf of Extraordinary Machine, as I also am a major contributor to this article, I see two reasons why your passage was deleted: One, it was laced with POV, and an editor's personal point of view is not in keeping with the objectivity required by an encyclopedia; second, a lip-sync episode or two when an artist clearly can perform is hardly Milli Vanilli-ish and, therefore, its encyclopedic value is dubious. Questions? Please feel free to write me. RadioKirk talk to me 00:32, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

RadioKirk talk to me 01:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that you were presumptuous at all. Extraordinary Machine 18:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) RadioKirk talk to me 19:16, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

The Britney Spears trivia section is a bit too long,I was just trying to do a cleanup Batzarro 05:05, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

No Need To Merge

There is no reason why 'Boy (I Need You)' should be merged with the Charmbracelet album article, as indicated on it's page. The song is a definite full-fledged single and has enough information to validate it's article's existence. In the case of 'The One', it could be debated, but like such songs as 'Last Night a DJ Saved My Life', 'Lead the Way', and 'Underneath the Stars', all of which are promo-only singles, it had been given official singles treatment. Therefore, I really suggest the tag for the 'Boy (I Need You)' article be removed, but I understand if you would like it to remain on 'The One' article. - Grey Pursuit January 6, 2005 (UTC)

About Lindsay Lohan's song

What happened to Lindsay Lohan's article on Confessions of a Broken Heart? I was more than shocked that it was deleted. I, as a person who often visits Wikipedia, am not satisfied with the actions you have taken. I don't "like" Lindsay Lohan but her video is really interesting and I enjoyed reading that article. When I checked back 2 weeks later, it disappears. Where is your common sense? Why don't you delete the Hung Up Madonna song? It's just a music video, song, single like Lindsay's! Please stop being biased or I have to report you.

Confessions of a Broken Heart

What happened to Lindsay Lohan's article on Confessions of a Broken Heart? I was more than shocked that it was deleted. I, as a person who often visits Wikipedia, am not satisfied with the actions you have taken. I don't "like" Lindsay Lohan but her video is really interesting and I enjoyed reading that article. When I checked back 2 weeks later, it disappears. Where is your common sense? Why don't you delete the Hung Up Madonna song? It's just a music video, song, single like Lindsay's! Please stop being biased or I have to report you.

Wow, r u crazy delete Madonna song? it's better than lindsay song it reached 7 not like Lindsay--Hotwiki 06:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Help

Can u help me in the Britney Spears article?, User:Triggy keeps putting back the album pics and current version is better than his.

Your help is needed...

Someone is pretending you gave them a barnstar when their history has no mention of you editing it. The link-[2]J.J.Sagnella 13:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Nationalities

Hi, hopefully you can find time to weigh in on Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Proposal: it's time we put this one to bed. Mark¹ 18:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Kclarkson.jpg

Image:KClarkson.jpg......i marked it promotional photo...whats the problem??--Jaysscholar 23:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

WP:AN/I

You seem to be missing a point. Indeed a good contributer, but a poor communicater. That tagline is rubbish; "The free encyclopedia that anyone can edit!" should be changed to "The free encyclopedia that anyone but vandals, sock puppets, and people who have been accused of unproven situations can edit!" 64.231.176.254 00:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

See this conversation. I have created a new account and have all rights to access it. From this moment, I will refrain from speaking to you. Thank you. Solar Serenity 01:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Hey, may I call you Extra? ;P Thanks very much for your help, your posts on WP:ANI were very informative and useful. I see the blocked user above still insisting, as she has done all along, that she has a "right" to edit. Sheesh, I feel like requiring an essay from her on what the word "blocked" even means. Bishonen | talk 03:26, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Karen Dotrice

With a great deal of input, my first article from scratch is up for Featured Article status (self-nominated). Feel free to visit and vote! RadioKirk talk to me 18:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Karen Dotrice.jpg: It's included to show what she looks like today. Given that many readers likely would be drawn to the article to satisfy their curiosity ("Say, whatever happened to the little girl from Mary Poppins, anyway?"), I felt was encyclopedic to show a recent pic. Would it make more editorial sense if moved into "Later life"? (Edit: I just answered my own question and moved the pic.) As for fair-use rationale, what do I need to add that's not already there? RadioKirk talk to me 18:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Add: I have added a line explaining the belief of fair use to the pics used in the article. RadioKirk talk to me 22:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment moved from talk page

Hello there - the following was left on your user page. I've taken the liberty of moving it here, to your talk page, where it should have been originally. --PeruvianLlama^(spit) 23:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

You wrote:

Please do not add commercial links — or links to your own private websites — to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 20:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I did no such thing. What are you talking about? I only included a trival fact quoting Spears comments about her politics re the gulf war and blindly following the president. This is not a comercial link, nor is it not my own private website. Did you get the wrong person? 64.121.40.153 23:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

"No. of chart topper"

I received your message and I should've explained my reasons for adding that information. Looking at the older singles article, one can easily point out their differences in comparison to the info featured in later singles (ex. "We Belong Together", "Boy (I Need you)", etc.). In many of the later articles, the "number of chart topper" information is put in paragraph form, as opposed to the comprehensive charts of "Vision of Love" and "Emotions". My incentive was to have a uniform style in what info was displayed in the charts displayed (which can also explain my boldfacing). Now, we can either use the initial "No. of chart topper" info as part of the chart information, or make it into a lengthy, page-elongating (and not to say unappealing to the eye) paragraph for all the singles, including "We Belong Together", which is large enough as it is. Of course, we could remove it all together, regardless of an articles size.

In an unrelated matter, I had posted a message here a while back which I didn't get a response to concerning the "suggestions to merge" tags added to singles such as "There's Got To Be A Way", "Boy (I Need You)", etc. I understand that your a very respectable and widely-recognized editor on Wikipedia and you probably get barraged with message left and right, so it's okay that you may have overlooked it. Nonetheless, in message I pointed out that whoever posted these tags provided no reasons for why they should be "merged" to their parent album in any of the discussion pages. I personally see no need to merge, considering some of these tagged articles were full-fledged and prominent singles. One could argue merging promo-only singles such as "Underneath the Stars" and "Last Night a DJ Saved My Life", but others are just ridiculous, in my POV.

So anyway, I just wanted to point that out and maybe you could help in my dilemma. And i apologize for writing such a tedious message and for any grammatical errors (I'm rushing this one). I hope we can settle all this drama soon, but I'll continue editing the articles to be in uniform style until then. Again, sorry and I appreciate that you've looked over my edits.

Thanks

I just wanted to thank you for the welcome to Wikipedia. I don't know how users, such as yourself, (with what is clearly a much greater sphere of page-editing influence) can handle all the vandalisms and random unsubstantiated garbage that gets posted on these pages. I'm dealing with it already and I only have a few articles. Oh well. Thanks again.

Regards, Irongargoyle 22:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Sandbox

Hello. I am the user IP who you sent a message to regarding an edit I conducted in your sandbox. I apologize for any harm or foul I may have committed, but it had not been to my knowledge that sandboxes are used for the purpose of the user who created it. I had been correcting grammar errors, and did not intend on hurting the page. The second part of your comment stumps me since this is a public computer, yet if my knowledge is up to par, then it is possible that you are referring to Lawrence Jedbottom, a speed vandal, who commonly edited under the Toronto Public Library IP address. If this is the person you do not suspect me to be, then it is my turn to apologize. 192.30.202.12 19:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I did some research concerning the person you had suspected me to be. I have concluded the following:

• Lawrence Jedbottom, a speed vandal, has not possessed access to a computer in several months, and has been indefinitely banned from both the Toronto District and Toronto Public libraries.
• Patrick Lam, a common vandaliser of a number of websites, has been banned from all Toronto libraries, and has not possessed access to a computer for a very long amount of time. He is believed to have resurrected himself on a mirror-site of Wikipedia, although the full details are unknown.
• Courtni and Cruz Wilerding, who had intended to speed-vandalise Wikipedia following a number of contributions, have been banned from the Toronto District Library, but not the Toronto Public Library, however, they will soon be banned indefinitely from both. They do not own a computer.
• The Willy on Wheels vandal does not reside in Toronto, as far as the library catalogue is aware of.

192.30.202.12 21:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationales

Hey, thanks for getting back to me. I don't know if you've looked at the inages in Karen Dotrice (and, thanks for the congrats!) recently, but I think I have added sufficient explanations to the images. No doubt you'll let me know ;) RadioKirk talk to me 19:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I voted object at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Lindsay Lohan, but please do not take this as an insult towards the Lohan article or your contributions to it. In fact, I have had the page on my watchlist for several months, so I'm aware of the effort that has been put into it (a lot of it by you). I just didn't think that it was ready for FAC yet. On the other hand, I think it's nice that Wikipedia has such a solid article about a contemporary celebrity, and I have added it to the Wikipedia:Good articles list. Above all, don't worry if the nomination fails or if you didn't get to deal with everybody's objections. You'll always get another shot, and what you learnt from the nomination can be used to help improve the article. Extraordinary Machine 20:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you; you may have seen my tongue-in-cheek response. I'm actually working on some of your suggestions as I type this. Thanks for GA, too! RadioKirk talk to me 21:15, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

Hey, just letting you know that the offer still stands :). Oran e (t) (c) (e) 21:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

cool, just let me know when you're done thinking... Oran e (t) (c) (e) 21:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd support. Jkelly 23:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Lindsay Lohan

Hello again! I believe everyone's concerns have been addressed. Please feel free to revisit. RadioKirk talk to me 18:30, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe your concerns are now addressed. :) RadioKirk talk to me 19:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your vote! I'll continue to tweak in the meantime. RadioKirk talk to me 20:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Another FA?

Hey there. How u doin'? Ive been working hard on "We Belong Together", and I was wondering —if you were not too busy, that is — if you could take a look and do two things:

1. give it a copy edit. I was in a rush the last time I got to it, and I'm not sure that it flows as well as it ought to.
2. be my peer reviewer? I'm pretty sure that if I send it to peer review, nothing will happen (I know this from experience). If you're not too busy, just give me a few pointers on how it could be developed, what's missing, what's superfluous, etc. Basically, do you think it could be featured in the near future. Dont sugar-coat anything, if you think it clearly isnt ready, just say so (and why). I won't be offended.

Thanks in advance. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 04:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I give you the Editor's award for your contribution to "We Belong Together". Thanks. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 23:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

re: Welcome back.

It's good to hear that you're cutting back the Wikitime enough to keep yourself from getting overwelmed. I cleared my entire watchlist when I came back, and I unenabled automatically adding pages to the list. This way, I can keep myself from watching 4700 articles every day (that was my old watchlist count). --FuriousFreddy 20:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Santa Claus & Mariah

I created the article because the info about Mariah's single was deleted from the Santa Claus song article, and it has to be somewhere. Now I remember that there was a vote for deletion for this single, but the outcome was "no consensus" which I interpreted as status quo. I posted about this on the talk page. regards, Alensha 17:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Poll

Dear Extraordinary Machine, I would like to invite you to my 1st poll, Best DCOM. Thanks! : ) Tcatron565 9:47 am CST 2/04/06

comment

Let me point out that you have them too! And they're not for anyone's eyes but mine! Unless I invite you, like the poll that I asked you to do. Tcatron565

Looking at Kelly Clarkson

Because of our collaboration on We Belong Together, I have been curious to ask something. Since she is listed under your contributions in your profile, what do you think of the current state of the Kelly Clarkson article? It is tedious and by looking at the history, has been the central point of edit warring for quite some time. I was hoping to get around to clean it up but I have limited faith in the article's future. Are there any suggestions you could offer me to help enhance Kelly Clarkson? —Eternal Equinox | talk 00:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Although I did not request for you to help me promote the article to a standard of any type, you did save me valuable typing-time. Thank you! Speaking of Image:Kelly Clarkson in September 2002.jpg, how is it that an image becomes public domain? I am not going to be removing it from the article because it is specially classified, but under what circumstances and copyright laws does one become public domain? —Eternal Equinox | talk 00:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. —Eternal Equinox | talk 02:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Why does EVERYTIME I try to edit Mariah Carey's page you delete my additional information and send me a message of "you're wrong blah blah blah"? What's the problem with my editions!?

New Message for EM Please stop sending me messages as I am just going to ignore them. And mentioning an artist's amount of Grammy wins is not a violation of point of view, it is a fact-there is no point of view. Do not email me again!

NO

What do you call /Archive01: May 22, 2005 – September 30, 2005?????!!!!!!!!! Plus, I think you need to stop talking to me! You are just annoying! Tell somebody else to talk to me. I get so mad talking to you!!! UHHHHH! Tcatron565 8:17pm c 2/10/06

Okay, what I'm going to do you will like, but it's going to take a couple of days, so please be patient with me. But it seems like everytime I make a wrong move, you're all up in my face! It's like you're watching my back. Please, when I do something wrong, wait for 4 days, then tell me. Okay. Please! Tcatron565 8:34pm c 2/10/06

World Sales and Certifications for Mariah Carey

Hi Extraordinary Machine! How are you? You have just add the World Sales and Certifications for Mariah Carey to the clean-up list. I've been working so hard in it, searching information in the internet, and i haven't finished it yet! I would like to know why you pretend to delete the article.

ps:I'm a novice wikipedian... so i have a lot to learn!! ;) Sensatez 05:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Singers perfoming live,Whitney,Dion,Streisand,Mariah etc

I agree with "Signed of love" regarding Mariahs lack of quality singing live on stage.She is not what I expected. As a fan of Barbara Straisand and Whotney Houston I have allways enjoyed stunning vocals in concert.With Mariah,who never tours by the way,it´s not the same thing. She lacks what the others have.That is all one needs to say.

- - - Have anyone heard the liveduet during the Oscars 1999 when the song "When you belive" - -was performed with Whitney Houston? - - - - It is a difference of class between Whitneys voice and Mariahs. - - - - She is simply outclassed by Whitney.I like both singers but I am - - - - disapointed at Mariah.Why is she not able to perform well live! - - - - Whitney is a killer live vocally but Carey has since her debut failed - - - - to give Whitney a run for her money.Im sure Mariah would have the same - - - - status worldwide as Whitney if she could performe as well live as in studio. - - - - Signed Fan of love 

Surley I must agree with "Fan of love" I as a fan of Streisand listen to a lot of music - brought to the public live.I allways judge performers based on how well they perfom live. - Whitney and Celine send thrills down my spine when rendering classic material live on stage.Mariah is not to be taken seriously.She is a great women.A powerful caracter but - how can she expect to be taken seriously when she has never toured of when she fails - as aboved mentioned singing live? - A live in Northen Europe and both Celine And Whitney toured Sweden a few times,Mariah - has never toured as an artist sounding so nice in studio should! - While Whiney and Celine are famous all over the globe Mariah tends to shine brightly - in the US.Why?

Well I am surprised that the Mariah article dosn´t take into account Mariahs lack of credibility on stage.Miming,never touring,outclassed by others while singing live, are you sure we are talking about the same singer....it´s a piece of cake sounding nice in studio but a piece of hell performing as well live....just ask Milli Vanilli or Mariah.....

This is a joke....are you serious about this article! It can only be some hardcorefans living out thier fantasy here....the women can´t sing live,and when she performes sounds terrible. Have you even deared to compare her voice with other great singers... I suspect not... well try and listen to some other voices in concert and then maybe you should evaluate your article again.Mariah will ever obtain the status of a great singer worldwide... and you know why.

WELL , AS MENTIONED BY OTHER WIKIPEDS YOU HAVE A TENDENCY TO BE A LITTLE SUBJECTIVE WITH SOME ARTISTS,STOP WITH THAT OR YOU WILL FACE THE SAME MEDICINE... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uyt (talk • contribs)