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What's the purpose of this page?

Is this an encyclopedic entry, or a catch all for trivia? The article treats background fiction with the same weight as the encyclopedic information. There are fan wiki's for this trivia information, and Wikipedia articles should be factual with links to the fiction sources... this is NOT a place to put "What stormtroopers eat"... that's fictional trivia, not facts... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.244.183.6 (talk) 02:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia?

I would like to see more trivia on the imperial stormtrooper. For example, what did they eat? Were there any height requirements? What was the sign up or drafting process to become one? Also, were the storm troopers named after the german storm troopers? Does anybody know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.59.249 (talk) 22:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Archived Material

Talk page archived. Stealth (talk) 21:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for More Info

If anyone is looking for more information to update this article, there's a very comprehensive specialized wiki here. --198.151.13.8 (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistency with Expanded Universe

I do not have the needed permissions to edit the page directly and point this out, but it should be noted that: In Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy (which was written before the release of Episode II, and before the revelation that Storm Troopers were clones), Luke Skywalker senses the life-force of clones for the first time and immediately notes a difference from the life-force of non-cloned beings. Having encountered numerous Storm Troopers throughout his adventures before this point, this seems to suggest that the Expanded Universe initially worked on the assumption that Storm Troopers consisted solely of conscripted members, and not of clones. Btowntkd (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but this is not a Star Wars trivia wiki. We must focus on how they are presented in the movies first. --Apoc2400 (talk) 08:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If the source predates the revelation that they're clones than that doesn't create and inconsistencty, it just makes the Thrawn Trilogy inaccurate and obsolete. 68.166.173.232 (talk) 11:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Retcon?

Isn't them being clones more of a "revelation" than a "retcon"? 68.166.173.232 (talk) 11:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Imperial stormtrooper → Stormtrooper — Thus Stormtrooper is now more commonly referred to as an imperial rather than as simply Germany. The move is also supported by the disambiguation section of the naming conventions for the imperial. Hence Germany should be moved to Stormtrooper (Germany) and the imperial page should be moved to Stormtrooper. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 21:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stormtrooper → Stormtrooper (Germany)

Oppose - Stormtrooper is just fine where it is. This article, however, should probably be moved to Stormtrooper (Star Wars). --EEMIV (talk) 21:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you explain further? We don't add (disambuations) unless there is something more relevant taking up the non-disambiguated title. –xeno^talk 13:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - The "more relevant" article at Stormtrooper is stormtrooper. "Imperial" is an unnecessary (and, in the EU lit, a seldom-used) modifier for the subject. Neither the freakishly in-universe Wookieepedia entry nor Databank entry from Lucasfilm has such a modifier. Furthermore, there's another Imperial-ish stormtrooper entry at the dab page (granted, weakly pointing toward a sliver of content in Imperial_Guard_(Warhammer_40,000)). Moving to Stormtrooper (Star Wars) I think will offer greater immediate clarity as a search term and dab page entry. Also, I like parentheses; ideally, we'd move the article to (Storm)trooper ((Star) Wars) for a double dose. --EEMIV (talk) 18:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - (Pull) the other (one)! Lol. I think this one should be snow-closed so there can be a net-new discussion on Imperial stormtrooper->Stormtrooper (Star Wars), rather than trying to discuss the alternatives in the midst of this discussion. –xeno^talk 17:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose the Star Wars characters are Imperial Stormtroopers. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 02:33, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment in general usage, fascist stormtrooper, in reference to riot police is pretty common. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 02:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I think the current method of disambiguation works great. Don't want to make the folley of attempting to make a better mouse trap.--Labattblueboy (talk) 03:08, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Oppose We are in danger of giving a fictional derivative greater credence than the original word. --Bermicourt (talk) 06:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Bermicourt. However, I like EEMIV's idea of moving this article to Stormtrooper (Star Wars). Erik (talk | contribs) 16:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose per Bermicourt, but like EEMIv's proposal. Buggie111 (talk) 22:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose Stormtrooper means what it means (by the way most people I suspect when you say storm trooper see the SS, but thats besides the point) But I agree this shuould be renamed Stormtrooper (Star Wars).Slatersteven (talk) 12:49, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose, per above comments. ⇔ ChristTrekker 14:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: German stormtroopers were real soldiers, whilst Imperial stormtroopers in Star Wars are obviously fictional. I think the real life thing should be above the fictional thing when it comes to naming. [|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|] 17:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Stong Oppose: Per all the above and many hundreds of other reasons too lengthy to mention, but best summarised by good ol' common sense. Ranger Steve ^Talk 18:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Oppose per above. The Imperial stormtrooper is a common name for Star Wars. JJ98 (Talk) 19:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
An obvious Oppose. Either change the name to Stormtrooper (Star Wars) or it should be left the way it is. Preferably I like it the way it is. − Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 23:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per almost everyone else above, especially per Ranger Steve. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 12:23, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Yet another proposed move/rename

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 02:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Imperial stormtrooper → Stormtrooper (Star Wars) — The "more relevant" article at Stormtrooper is stormtrooper. "Imperial" is an unnecessary (and, in the EU lit, a seldom-used) modifier for the subject. Neither the freakishly in-universe Wookieepedia entry nor Databank entry from Lucasfilm has such a modifier. Furthermore, there's another Imperial-ish stormtrooper entry at the dab page (granted, weakly pointing toward a sliver of content in Imperial_Guard_(Warhammer_40,000)). Moving to Stormtrooper (Star Wars) I think will offer greater immediate clarity as a search term and dab page entry. --EEMIV (talk) 21:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support per discussion above. "Stormtrooper" is the common name of the fictional entity, where "imperial stormtrooper" is rarely seen. I'm surprised this move was not done already. I count at least four editors in the previous discussion supporting the move to Stormtrooper (Star Wars). Erik (talk | contribs) 21:54, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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