Talk:Annuit cœptis

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Latin Issues

a. Coepi is usually considered a defective verb in Latin; it lacks a present system. Most dictionaries will list the verb under coepi, coepisse, and perhaps that is what should be done here. Present forms such as "coepio" are rarely seen and are not classical. b. Pronunciation in classical Latin (as opposed to Anglicized Latin): 'an-noo-it 'koyp-tees. -T. Gnaevus Faber @ la wiki —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.246.15 (talk) 08:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Aeneid

I'm fairly certain these two phrases are taken directly from Virgil's Aeneid. Shouldn't that be mentioned? ~Neil

Redirect

Current version of the article is little more than a dictionary definition. I have redirected to List of Latin phrases#A. If/when someone has enough more to say to turn this into a full stand-alone article, please revert this redirect to the prior version. Rossami 21:49, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

NPOV

The wording of this article exudes a bias using phrases such as "as some Right-Wingers want us to think". It is also in desperate need of wikification.glocks out 20:24, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. The problematic paragraph had been copied directly from its source, so I simply removed it and improved what was left. — Elembis 08:11, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Very good. glocks out 23:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pronounciation

How is this phrase pronounced? If someone can post a phonetic representation, I could attempt an IPA transliteration. =David^(talk)_(contribs) 16:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Why is it, that every time I translate this phrase it comes up as "to obliterate to begin" or "Out of Chaos, Order"? Mika'el (talk) 22:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Annuit coeptis = 13 letters

Symbolically, the phrase Annuit coeptis has 13 letters (as does E pluribus unum). This example of gematria (isopsephy) then represents the 13 colonies becoming the United States. (The back of the US 2010 penny features E pluribus unum and a shield with 13 vertical stripes.) The back of the US dollar includes these 13 letters among 13 symbolic references to the number 13. - p. 121, The Secret Symbols of the Dollar Bill by David Ovason (Harper Collins, 2004)

The ancient practice of Hebrew gematria/Greek isopsephy/Arabic Hisab al-Jummal (and modern Simple[6,74] English[7,74] Gematria[8,74]) appears to primarily concentrate on the gematric sums of words/names, i.e. Ruler=74 Sargon=74 (S19+a1+r18g7+o15+n14). But this is actually 'Step 2' of gematria(74). 'Step 1' of gematria(8) is simply counting the number of letters in a word/name/phrase. Because of Roman Numerals not coinciding with their place in the Latin Alphabet, i.e. I does not = 1, Latin gematria never gave much importance to Step 2 of gematric sum. But the learned Romans and other learned practioners of Latin did recognize Step 1 of counting the Latin letters and giving significance to it. This practice can be traced back to Plato's (Pythagoreans') use of "God is ever a geometer", which in Greek ἀεὶ ὁ Θεὸς ὁ μέγας γεωμετρεῖ equals 3,1,4,1,5,9 or 3.14159 π pi. - Brad Watson, Miami, FL 75.74.156.102 (talk) 13:17, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]