History of Thulsa Doom and of the reincarnations of Kull of Atlantis

Could anybody fill in about this character's appearances beside in the one Kull yarn and the Conan movieI

Also, what's that drivel about Thulsa Doom having been imprisoned and surviving 25000 to 100 000 years through two ages of the earth and untold natural and less natural catastrophes to become a foe to Cormac Mac Art, who is regarded as his reincarnation? I've never heard of such a thing. (granted, I avoid pastiches because they are inferior to the original Howardian yarns, and add unnecessary elements that can be incoherent with the basic world and characters).

This is in direct contradiction to Howard's own works, where, in Kings of the Night Bran Mak Morn summons Kull to lead a combined army against Rome, because the Norse contingent has lost its leader and the men demand a new ruler to lead them, but refuse to be led by Celt or Pict. Magic is woven that draws on Kull's affiinity with the descendants of his Pict allies to bring him through the millenia... and if Cormac mac Art were a reincarnation of Kull, such magic could not work, since Cormac is actually present at the time. His friendship and association with Bran are well known, being mentioned in several of Howard's stories... On the other hand, while Howard made liberal use of reincarnation in his fiction (and there is evidence that Conan of Cimmeria might be a reincarnation of Kull), such an association with Cormac mac Art appears nowhere in reputable source material.

Could anybody direct me to material dealing with who wrote what about these caracters? --Svartalf 16:58, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thulsa Doom has also appeared in the recent Dynamite Red Sonja comics, but in a form based more on the movie version. By the way, it was Oliver Stone (yes, that Oliver Stone) who brought Thulsa Doom into the Conan movie. It is not clear why he did this. Perhaps he saw the installments of the Conan newspaper strip where Thulsa Doom appeared.

I would have to say that Thulsa Doom in his original form was the inspiration or forerunner of Skeletor, as he had a skull-face.

This comes from Andrew Offut's novels of Cormac Mac Art.

490 THE UNDYING WIZARD THE SIGN OF THE MOONBOW Cormac Mac Art encounters the ageless druid Tu, who was also an advisor to Kull, and it is revealed that Cormac is the reincarnation of Kull, as well as Conan. Cormac then battles Kull's ancient enemy, the mage Thulsa Doom. Andrew J. Offutt's Cormac Mac Art novels link with Conan and King Kull. Both are linked to the Cthulhu Mythos, which in turn is part of the Wold Newton Universe. These are book numbers 6 and 7 in the Cormac Mac Art cycle, published by Zebra Books in the 1970s and reprinted by Ace Books in the 1980s. The other books in the series are: 1: The Mists of Doom by Offutt; 2: The Tower of Death by Offutt and Taylor; 3: When Death Birds Fly by Offutt and Taylor; 4: Tigers of the Sea by Howard and Tierney; and 5: Sword of the Gael by Offutt. The original R.E. Howard material has also been reprinted in Cormac Mac Art, Baen Books, 1995, with an original story and fragments of R.E. Howard's work completed by David Drake.

http://www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Chron.htm

http://digitalamazon.com/conan/ecconan1-29-80.gif Thulsa Doom's comic strip appearance

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/thulsa.htm

covers the Earth-616 version of Thulsa Doom.

It should be noted that Doctor Strange volume 3#11 and Conan the Barbarian I#245 established that after Kull slew Thulsa Doom in the Thurian Era, a group of sorcerers (who it seems followed Thulsa Doom) sought revenge on Kull. One of these sorcerers, already dying due to his injuries, was thus transformed into the first vampire, Varnae.

Enda80

Well, Thulsa Doom is [i]extremely[/i] old in the Marvel Comics universe; having survived several cataclysms; from the Valusian era, through the Hyborian, and maybe into the present. He seems to have been old in the Valusian era as well, as the proto-valusian serpent-men view him as a leader - or a god. So, if you take the Marvel adapations of Conan and Dr Strange and so forth into account, it do not seem implausible that Thulsa Doom has survived entire aeons.

- Natsymir, likes pastiches...they're good sometimes.