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Definition of Grotto

Judging from the content of this article, the use by humans seems to be an important element of a Grotto. I've taken the liberty of clarifying the definition of Grotto that this article seems to be about, by creating a new opening sentence. Otherwise I felt that there was a conflict between the original Grotto definition and that of Sea Cave as described under Cave. Ian mckenzie 03:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Historical Accident?

The article says that grottos are by "historical accident" related to the word "grotesque," yet goes on to say that the word "grotesque" is purposefully and directly derived from the word "grotto." This is no more accidental than any other etymology. I am removing the accident bit. Bleedingcherub 05:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "historical accident" was the discovery of Nero's Domus Aurea by a shepherd who fell through a ceiling. The palace appeared to be underground, in a grotta or cave, thus its style of frescoed decor became known as grotteschi or "grotesques". I trust that Bleedingcherub will make sure that the amended article explains this "historical accident" more clearly. --Wetman 06:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Playboy Mansion

Wondering if some mention should be made of the grotto at the Playboy Mansion, as it is probably the most discussed grotto in the United States. A Google search of "grotto +playboy" yields over 90,000 results alone. SteveCoppock (talk) 18:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"probably the most discussed grotto in the United States!" Imagine! --Wetman (talk) 20:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Icons section

It seems to me that the implication that religious interest in grottoes stems from their "perceived danger" is implying that religious impulses are born out of fear of the unknown. That's a large, very subjective claim. I think our highly religious ancestors deserve at least as much credit for their complexity, curiosity, and courage as for the more negative traits we may associate with religion for personal/political reasons...and that there's a considerable amount of ethnocentrism passing as scholarship on this issue. The folks who invented religion weren't stupid, and they dealt with more than most of us could handle on a daily basis. How many people do you know who aren't scared to drive a herd of angry mammoths over a cliff, but are afraid of the dark?--Feralnostalgia (talk) 11:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neuschwanstein

I revised Neuschwanstein to Linderhof, because though Neuschwanstein does contain a little grotto, and that grotto may be inspired by the legend of Tannhauser, Ludwig's grotto at Linderhof is much more explicitly a re-creation of Venus's grotto--my understanding is that he actually had private command performances of Tannhauser staged there. The Neuschwanstein grotto is just a little room with cavelike walls and a rustic table and chair. 206.208.105.129 (talk) 19:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lascaux

Hello. We are facing a little naming problem on Commons:Category:Grottoes. From the introduction of the page, a grotto can be any cave where prehistorical men have lived. So most of the caves are grottoes aren't they ? Particularly the fr:Grotte de Lascaux in France ? (so we have to move most of categories from Commons:Category:Caves of France). Jack ma (talk) 10:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, even by that definition, not all caves, not even most I would hazard to say, had connections to prehistoric men. Besides, they do not need to be moved from their current categories. A new category can be added if helpful. WTucker (talk) 13:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Then, if I correclty understand, "Grotte de Lascaux" is connected to prehistoric men, so it is a "grotto", isn't it ? Jack ma (talk) 12:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]