Talk:Straight edge

There are some real NPOV problems with the straight edge page.

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Perhaps you could outline them? --cprompt

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The following was moved from the Minor Threat page, but is way, way too non-NPOV to be part of an article: This 'movement' was never advocated by singer Ian Mackaye, who thought of it as more the personal choices that he had made in his life than a worldwide revolution.

Unfortunately, the movement suffered from subversion in later years, with tales (not always true - as with most secondary sources) of "straightedgers" beating up people for smoking. Straight edgers - or sXer's - were characterised by black crosses on their hands, which was customary in West America underage punk shows to differentiate those allowed to buy alchohol, and those too young. It was taken on by sXer's as a subversive way of "sticking it to the man" so to speak - subverting the mainstream for their own gain.

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I'll see if I can find a way to gracefully put them in, but it seems like the following should be mentioned:

• Ian MacKaye's later denunciation of the straight edge scene he largely spawned.
• Youth of Today's role as a major 1980s straightedge hardcore band.

Delirium 19:46 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)