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Neutral point of view

If "commentary" style is to be removed from this article, would it also then be appropriate to remove "groundbreaking" from the reference to Nucleus, and "innovative" from the reference to Adiemus? In my view, the tone of this article is slightly hagiographic, and I was both trying to balance this with an acknowledgement that Jenkins work has often polarized opinion, which I think is worth noting this in the article, as well as include some of the documented negative associations his period of sole leadership had on the notable band Soft Machine, to balance the list of prizes and awards recorded above. 88.108.57.66 (talk) 09:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've reinserted some material, with a changed tone, which is all referenced to published quotations. This is not a personal attack on Dr Jenkins, who I've never even heard speak, but I do think that there is place for at least a statement of the acknowedged controversy about the effect Dr Jenkins composing style and period of leadership had on Soft Machine in an encyclopedic work. Happy to discuss this. I've also queried the two adjectives above. (88.108.57.66 (talk) 10:58, 31 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]

The two adjectives have been removed (innovative is a WP:PEACOCK term). The article needs neutral point of view, and the section describing Jenkins' role in Soft Machine still seems to be rather critical. I'm not an expert on Karl Jenkins, but would appreciate any comments from other users about the article and whether it is fair and balanced.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your consideration of this. Soft Machine fans may well have numerous, varied views on this issue. (88.108.57.66 (talk) 14:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]