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Ronni Chasen

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The late subject of this article does not seem sufficiently notable and has not received any coverage previous to her recent murder (WP:BIO1E). Google News shows only brief mentions in the archives, and I highly doubt that a publicist is notable enough for an article. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:35, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree with the above. Fixer23 (talk) 08:00, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There's lots of people with articles on wikipedia who only became notable when they were murdered and received no coverage prior to their deaths. Leno_and_Rosemary_LaBianca, Mary_Jo_Kopechne, J_D_Tippit, Ron_Goldman, John_Birch_(missionary). In most of those cases the person who murdered them or caused their deaths are notable while the subjects themselves are remarkably non-notable. Ronni Chasen at least appears to have been a notable person to notable people before her murder. Ecwfrk (talk) 09:52, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Also, please prove that Chasen was notable before her death by citing a reliable source. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 21:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She may not have been all that notable before, but she sure is now. Keith Henson (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That is related to my point. Just being murdered does not make her notable; please see WP:BIO1E. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 21:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She was a well known person in the movie business before her death, and her death is now creating a lot of news in Los Angeles. 22 November 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.142.12.66 (talk) 19:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just being well-known does not make one notable. For example, many YouTube stars are well-known but are not notable by Wikipedia standards. Also, just because her death is causing a lot of news does not make her notable. Many deaths cause big news. What if this disappears in another day? /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 21:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as Ronni Chasen. Given that she was frequently interviewed/quoted in various news sources, I think a strong argument could be made that she was notable as a Hollywood publicist before the murder (i.e. passes WP:GNG). Location (talk) 04:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per WP:GNG, and I am sure even more information about her will be in the media over the next few months. betsythedevine (talk) 04:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as Ronni Chasen. She was well-known within the industry as a particularly effective publicist for Academy Awards campaigns (among other things), and sources do now exist to support an article. For example this one at CNN.com"Slain publicist was master at stirring Oscar buzz". As others have said, the volume of press makes it, ultimately, futile to assert non-notability now.--Arxiloxos (talk) 07:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and keep as Ronni Chasen. Not only was she affiliated with such notables as Natalie Wood, Michael Douglas and the Zanuck family, she was one of the most recognizable PR people and she was one of the few women to hold the positions that she has held in Hollywood, including being the vice-president of PR for MGM and the PR person for former studio American Pictures International. To have a female in one of the leading PR positions internationally, this should be noteworthy on its own to have her listed in Wikipedia - but the additional issue of her unusual death makes the story unquestionably something that should be noted in Wikipedia, especially since she was noteworthy enough to be noted on the "Recent Deaths" pages - why is adding a link with detail about who she is even a question. I'm sure if this was the male counterpart of PR execs in Hollywood this wouldn't even be questioned. As mentioned above - read the newest released article on CNN.com about Chasen and then you may have a much different opinion. I'm not even in "the biz", live on the opposite coast, run in a different world and even I had knowledge about Chasen before her death - knowledge of her because of her achievements as a woman in a group/world that is very much dominated by men.
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