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Again, welcome! - UtherSRG 20:11, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Sathya Sai Baba
- Hi. I would be interested to have some private email communication with you about the "teacher" Sai Baba and some other spiritual topics. my email is optim81@yahoo.co.uk - I am waiting for email from you, it would be helpful for me if you could use the word "Sai Baba" in the email subject. Thanks! Optim 10:20, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Brianism
The vote to delete Brianism failed. Please do not remove Brianism related links. - UtherSRG 19:31, 24 Jan 2004 (PST)
Of course, Brianism has the right to exist but it should be linked to in the appropriate places and this is in parody religion. I will have a very critical look at the other links to Brianism because it seems that some people want to advertize this internet hobby and social club by linking it in many place.
To do a redirect: #REDIRECT [[NameOfPage]] . Have nothing else on the page apart from that and it will work. Secretlondon 19:43, Jan 26, 2004 (UTC)
What mistakes? The ones listed seem either untrue or irrelevent. Skeptics don't accept a theory immediately even if it's true-- that's because THEY DON'T KNOW IF IT IS TRUE! No mistake was made-- they just waited until they saw enough evidence of it. If you have seen my revision of the page (check the history) you will see that I am much more accurate. - Lord Kenneth 20:35, Jan 30, 2004 (UTC)
Hello Andries, I've noticed that you've already made 16 edits within 1 hour on the Sathya_Sai_Baba article. Please use the "Show Preview" button while editing and the "Save" button once you feel you have done with enough changes. Every Save you make is recorded, too many Saves fills up the history and makes change tracking very difficult. Jay 11:05, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Thank you ! There's a lot of Hinduism related articles you can work on. Many of them are one-liners currently. Jay 11:52, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Greetings Andries,
Thank you for the email, I do agree with you. I have spent some time researching the issue, and will now distill the reports I have and post them. Our correspondant may not want to allow the page to stand, but we can then go to arbitration, as I have had to on similar issues (see Menachem Mendel Schneerson).
Regards, Fire Star 15:39, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Cult wiki removal
Davodd, why did u remove the cult wiki without mentioning any reason from guru and mind control ? I find it a helpful list to organize the many articles about the subject.Andries 10:53, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- I removed the MSG because neither article is primarily about cults. And placing the MSG on Guru is inherently POV since it is not placed on Priest. I thought I had added the comment, but the edit must not have saved. Thanks for pointing that out. Davodd 10:59, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
Why did you remove the MediaWiki msg from Aum Shinrikyo? Kent Wang 22:10, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
ccording to your expressed desire, I just created Template:Cults. Its existence allows one to insert
(without the space between "s" and "}" to insert the table of related topics. Please feel free to edit Template:Cults as well. Luis Dantas
Hello Andries. I got your message on my talk page. Help me understand what the Template:Cults page is about. What is the intended purpose? Where do you expect that it will be linked? I do understand that the purpose is to have articles about all kinds of religions, not just the mainstream ones. However "cult" in English means nothing more than "a religion which most people don't like". This is unfortunate. Is there a different word or phrase that we could use instead of "cult" ? Happy editing, Wile E. Heresiarch 00:46, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- The wikimedia cults will refer to all articles that are essential to understand cults. I think these are Cult of personality, Propaganda , Fundamentalism , Guru Shepherding, Communal reinforcement. It will be added as a footer to all the articles that deal primarily with cults i.e. Cult , Purported cults, Christian countercult movement , Anti-cult movement , Exit counseling , Thought reform , Deprogramming , Mind control & Brainwashing The difference between a See also list is that the wikimedia cults refers to essential articles. The See also list will also refer to side issues. Andries 18:58, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Andries, I've reviewed some of the articles listed in the Template:Cults and I have decided to let my vote stand. I want WP to be authoritative, and if WP uses "cult" to mean "religions that some people don't like" it will only reinforce a mistaken concept. I know that there are already many uses of "cult" in that sense in WP. I'm too lazy to try to fix them all; at this point I just want to avoid propagating the term further. I don't really know a good substitute; "minor religions", maybe? Or why not just be completely honest and use "religions that some people don't like". Just thinking out loud. Happy editing, Wile E. Heresiarch 03:37, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Sorry. I don't know enough about the issue Hawstom 15:21, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC).
Article Guru in German-Wiki
Hi Andries,
if you want, you can write an article about Guru in the German-Wikipedia and put it in [1]. I would correct your mistakes and put the article in[2]. If you forgot, you put it in [3]. Sorry for my English. Thanks --213.103.158.86 18:40, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC) Breeze
I replied to you there. I am intensely well read/interested in Sanatana Dharma, as well as a number of related subjects, and seeing your interest on your user page, I would welcome any discussion relating to these matters. I have been involved in a signifigant rewrite of Hinduism along w a number of other hindu/buddhist related pages explaining religious terms, etc... Feel free to bring up most anything, I am particularly welcoming of discussion. Sam Spade 19:34, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I havn't read it yet, and I will read it, but I wanted to tell you that I exploded with laughter as soon as I opened the page. I have seen this guy before, and always in negative contexts. Also, his hair is a great source of amusement for me. Anyhow I will read the page and give you more substantial feedback next time ;) Sam Spade 21:45, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Amazingly NPOV. I am very impressed with your impartiality, and the thoroughness, this is really a very fine article. You are clearly a solid editor to be able to edit something this close to you so well. Many people tell me (or show me by their POV edits) that they are unable to edit on articles close to them personally. I'd be interested in discussing theology with you some time, this is an article I have written (Pantheism).
- I agree, I've seen Andries single-handedly change the page from a stub, I've tried hard to spot and remove POVs but not succeeded yet ! Jay 09:37, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Thanks for your compliments. I think the main reasons why I was able to write a NPOV article on this subject in which I was so intensely emotionally involved it that it is now several years that I became an ex-follower. Secondly I still have a intellectual interest in the subject and thirdly it bothers me to read some articles that state that believers in SSB are blind and stupid quote from salon.com about SSB "No matter -- in this part of the world, faith is absolute. Believers don't refuse God, and they don't question him.". I think this is one sided and unfair and I feel vicariously insulted when I read it so I want to show the skeptical, objective readers the other side of the story. Andries 10:53, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- I agree, I've seen Andries single-handedly change the page from a stub, I've tried hard to spot and remove POVs but not succeeded yet ! Jay 09:37, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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Thanks for your note Andries about fundamentalism, good to know I am not alone on this idea! Is the Dutch version of fundamentalism still not good? Sorry my knowledge of Dutch is almost nil, otherwise I would try to help you with it.
TonyClarke 12:10, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Patience
I may be proven naive; but, I think that the problem you pointed out will eventually resolve itself. Over time, I expect that the blemishes will fade from the article. Because they lack support sufficient to be credible, they will eventually be removed without initiating a formal arbitration process, and without either your or my involvement. I'm thinking that I would prefer to be patient and let the process work. Mkmcconn 22:20, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Evidentialism
Andries -- I'm sorry, but I don't know anything about evidentialism. Could you give me a little background information? — Adam Conover † 20:21, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC)
- Thanks. Andries 21:57, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hey, didn't mean to cut you down in the talk page - sorry if it came across that way. Its just so common for people to want to insert some connection between Nietzsche and the Nazis in his various articles, or in debates in general, and I think I'm starting to lose patience with it. I think that it would be worthwhile to have a section on the Ubermensch page about the Nazi interpretation of the Ubermensch, if you wanted to work on that - I'm no Nazi history expert, so I don't think I'd do a very good job, but I might be able to help integrate it with what I know about Nietzsche. -Seth Mahoney 18:08, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
- It should be written including his sister Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche. I just read about it in the public libary. Andries 18:22, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
- Definately. I don't think the one sentence about her toward the end tells the whole story. She should probably have her own article as well, considering the effect she has had on many people's interpretation of Nietzsche. -Seth Mahoney 18:25, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
Nazism/China
I replaced the info, but I am of course open to discussing/editing it. I actually find striking simularities between nazism and chinese communism, this only being one. In any case I feel the article is much worse, actually misleading, w/o a mention of this. I placed a statement on Talk:Nazism. Sam [Spade] 21:51, 15 May 2004 (UTC)
I promoted the article to featured since it's been there for over a week. Thanks for the comment. Fredrik 13:53, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
A Course in Miracles
Andries, thank you for your kind note on the A Course in Miracles article. I liked your stub and although you have said you are a skeptic I thought the stub had nice NPOV. I wrote the article from the background of being an ACIM adherent, and I hope the POV has remained sufficiently neutral.
I hope you don't mind me removing the second paragraph, but I think all of its content has been included in the expanded version.
Thank you also for your suggestions. The followers of ACIM are worldwide, and I will mention that. The controversial cult in Wisconsin should probably also be included in the future, but that is beyond my scope at the moment, because I am very new to Wikipedia, and am currently just trying to do a general overview. The Wisconsin organization is part of a very large and controversial (though fascinating in its own way) subtopic. In fact, I bet we will find that what I have already written will be considered controversial when other ACIM students start to review it. We will see. Thanks again! Gary D 18:12, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
Saw your recent wikification. I had been wondering myself about whether to link to Columbia University and psychiatry, but as I've said, I'm very new to this, and wasn't sure how far to take the whole linkage thing. Didn't think at all about the American links; ethnocentrism, I suppose. Thanks for those. Gary D 22:38, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates&action=edit§ion=14 Thanks.172 12:35, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response. Also, thanks for your much-needed copyedits of the article. 172 11:18, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
The personality cult is covered in the section on "Saddam Hussein as a secular leader." BTW, we could write a separate article about his personality cult and pick up where the article leaves off. Would you be interested? 172 11:55, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
New category for New Age?
Hey, Andries, I know you hate the term, but what do you think about establishing a "New Age" or similar category for collecting all the nineteenth & twentieth century religious stuff? We could call the category "New Religious Movements" as an alternative, I suppose. I'm just looking for a way to pull all that stuff together in a category, but broader than and without the baggage of the "cult" category. What do you think? --Gary D 08:02, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- yes, there should be some list or category but I don't know what or how yet. (list of new age subjects?)By the way this is my addition to the New Age article and my personal opinion " Others think that the classification of beliefs and movements under New Age has little added value due to the vagueness of the term. Instead, they prefer to refer directly to the individual beliefs and movements. " Andries 20:19, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)