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Order of live show details

I reckon each live show should be in chronological order, for example:

  • Theme
A summary of the contestants' performances on whatever live show and results show, along with the results.
Act Order Song Result
Act eg Mary Byrne 1 Song eg "Could It Be Magic" Safe
etc etc etc etc
  • Group performance
  • Celebrity performers
Judges' votes to eliminate
  • Cowell (or whatever order they voted in)
  • Cole
  • Minogue
  • Walsh

However... I think it looks silly with the theme all on its own, especially with the gap between it and the table's heading, and although it looks quite good with the theme under the table...

A summary of the contestants' performances on whatever live show and results show, along with the results.
Act Order Song Result
Act eg Mary Byrne 1 Song eg "Could It Be Magic" Safe
etc etc etc etc
  • Theme
  • Group performance
  • Celebrity performers
Judges' votes to eliminate
  • Cowell (or whatever order they voted in)
  • Cole
  • Minogue
  • Walsh

...it doesn't make that much sense to do that so maybe it's better to leave it as it is but just swap the group performance with the guest performers as the group usually performs first (other than in the case of the Bon Jovi appearance). Anyone have any thoughts? AnemoneProjectors 18:08, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody has any thoughts or do you all just enjoy ignoring me? :-) AnemoneProjectors 20:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Double elimination

I was all ready last night to put in a double elimination as soon as Dermot announced it but he said "one contestant will leave the competition" so I didn't, even though it was reported that it would be and has since been reported that it will be. It might still be a double but Dermot should have said. I think we have to go by what was said on the show, and if it turns out to be a double tonight, we can add it during the broadcast. AnemoneProjectors 15:13, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Katie

Katie wasn't 10th in Week 4, she was in the Bottom Two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.191.44 (talk) 20:47, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, she was 10th. She was in the Bottom 2 with Belle Amie, it went to deadlock. Belle Amie came last (11th) in the votes, meaning Katie must have come 10th. 213.121.16.62 (talk) 21:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In Week 5 Treyc was booted off, so Katie should not be marked as coming 10th when she hasn't left yet. Treyc should be marked as 10th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.15.231 (talk) 23:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Katie was voted 10th in week 4 out of 11 contestants. She was in the bottom two and only Belle Amie got fewer votes. The positions refer to weekly votes, not positions in the overall contest. The table's heading makes this clear "positions in each week's public vote where known". The results for week 5 have not been officially confirmed by The X Factor. At the end of the series, all weekly voting percentages will be revealed and every placement in weekly voting will be included. AnemoneProjectors 23:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cole's vote to eliminate

As we just saw, Cheryl refused to vote to eliminate. It currently says "N/A" but I propose it says "Refused" to differentiate from Simon's "N/A" in week 2 (where there was no need for him to vote because the other three judges had already voted to eliminate the same act). 213.121.16.62 (talk) 21:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

support. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 21:08, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed the vote to Refused as not to confuse it with Cowell's vote in Week 2 --MSalmon (talk) 21:22, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think "None (refused)" is a lot clearer to readers, and I certinaly wouldn't use italics. AnemoneProjectors 21:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As in "Cowell voted for Treyc, Cole voted for none (because she refused)". AnemoneProjectors 21:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I thought Cole said she'd "take it to deadlock" when pushed, but her vote was declared void by O'Leary? ==Jim Gamma, 7 Nov 2010, 2143 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.112.208 (talk)
Well, she refused to vote, then said if she had to vote she'd go last and take it to deadlock, but that wasn't allowed. It would have been the decision of the producer talking in Dermot's ear. AnemoneProjectors 21:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but this was NEVER actually stated - O'Leary said "majority decision", but it wasn't made clear that it wasn't allowed. Also, why did Cole get asked to go second? She was clearly surprised by it, usually they make judges with two acts in the bottom 2 go last... PS, apologies for the odd signature, still not clear on how to "sign" when I don't have an account. 87.113.112.208 (talk) 22:01, 7 November 2010 (UTC)Jim Gamma, 7 Nov 2010, 2200 UTC[reply]
That's another thing we'll never know. The producers don't like to give away their reasons for doing anything. Konnie Huq clarified the reason for no deadlock on The Xtra Factor, i.e. Cheryl abstained so it went to a majority vote. AnemoneProjectors 22:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It didn't sound like she intended to abstain. Can we add a comment that Cole requested to be asked after the other judges but was not permitted to do so? This much is clear. -Jim Gamma 87.113.112.208 (talk) 06:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is mentioned, but she did abstain. She said "I'm not sending anybody home" until Dermot said it was part of the role and then he allowed her to abstain even though she offered to go last after that. AnemoneProjectors 12:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Week 6

Dermot said they were singing Elton John songs not a boy band theme....--SaturdayMight1000 (talk) 21:19, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed --MSalmon (talk) 21:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Did he though? AnemoneProjectors 21:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes at the end before he revealed the celebrity guests --MSalmon (talk) 21:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ok. AnemoneProjectors 21:43, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Only Unreality TV is reporting this. I'm looking for a reliable source. (Not that I don't believe you, I do! I just want to reference it) AnemoneProjectors 01:15, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cher Lloyd's performance of "Empire State of Mind"

Despite what ITV claims on their website, and in respect to the actual performance... Lloyd sang Empire State of Mind (Part II) Broken Down not Empire State of Mind and there is quite a distinct difference. The lyrics and production of Part II are quite different and its blatantly obvious when you buy the MP3 of Lloyd's performance she sang part II not the original Jay Z version. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 21:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm unfamiliar with the two songs, but I when I downloaded some songs off iTunes earlier today, I saw the word "Part" (the rest was hidden), so yeah. AnemoneProjectors 21:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But was her rap from Empire State of Mind? AnemoneProjectors 21:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No she actually rapped the lyrics from the Alicia Keys version. That's why Cowell's comments were "it sounded to copycat". Alicia Keys obviously sings her part and the arrangement is different hence Lloyd wasn't able to rap them in her usual style. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 21:47, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok then. I guess you're right then. Should we make the change? AnemoneProjectors 21:56, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't listened to Part II much, but I do believe the line that Lloyd began with rapping, "Yeah I'm out that Brooklyn. Now I'm down in Tribeca, right next to DeNiro, but I'll be hood forever. I'm the new Sinatra, and since I made it here I can make it anywhere..." are exclusive to the Jay-Z f/Alicia Keys version only. But after that she began rapping lyrics from Keys' Part II I assume because those lyrics are not present in the original. Candyo32 23:10, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've just listened to Lloyd's version with the lyrics of both songs up on my screen, then listened to both originals and Lloyd definitely sings lines from "Empire State of Mind (Part II) Broken Down" and raps lines from "Empire State of Mind". AnemoneProjectors 01:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So then the correct format would be "Empire State of Mind (Part II) Broken Down / "Empire State of Mind" or "Empire State of Mind (Part II) Broken Down" with a note saying that it contained a sample rap from the original? -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 01:23, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know because isn't this all.... original research? AnemoneProjectors 01:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Surely its just stating the contents of the performance? Since the performance is available to download its a published peice of work and so can act as the source. Either way the performance consisted more of part 2 than part 1 of the song which is significant considering that both songs have different arrangements and stylings. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 01:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose, though we did have to analyse the lyrics to find out. Anyway, as strange as it looks, I think I'd prefer the "Empire State of Mind (Part II) Broken Down / "Empire State of Mind" format. AnemoneProjectors 01:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
By the way it actually says on iTunes "Empire State of Mind Parts I & II (Medley)". AnemoneProjectors 02:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cosmetic Change

For the week 4 shows, could the font set up be made similar to the x factor australia November 7 and 8 page where The song is listed "Stop"(performed with Melanie Brown) with the (performed with person) in a smaller font size. --Cooly123 21:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

No, we shouldn't use small text as it can be harder to read for some people. AnemoneProjectors 21:55, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Week 7

Apparently, Olly Murs will be performing on the show as he announced it via his Twitter site. Although no other details have been confirmed, should we add this or not? --MSalmon (talk) 18:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the addition originally because the only source was Twitter but it was since reported elsewhere so I added it (a few hours before you asked), though it's still only based on Twitter. AnemoneProjectors 19:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's OK then --MSalmon (talk) 20:00, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Winners song?

With the show being over presumably Dec 12/13, when will be know the winner's song?--Cooly123 01:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

We won't know until we're told. AnemoneProjectors 01:59, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, what I mean is that there is no schedule for releasing details of the single, so best to just wait for the news the break. AnemoneProjectors 02:10, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weeks 8 Judges Vote

There has been no indication that there will not be a judges vote next week as stated in the results table - in previous year Dermot has said at the end of week 7 results something along the lines of 'Next week your votes and your votes alone will decide who continues in the competition.' I didn't hear him say that... Was there any mention on Xtra Factor? (I didn't watch) If not then this also makes me wonder will we actually run to only 10 weeks? Or will it run longer as there still has been no news of a double elimination. Next week is effectively the quarter final with 7 acts still performing. Any ideas anyone?

UPDATE: X Factor Aus this year had judges vote in week 8 but not in 9 or 10... Eddyegghead (talk) 17:10, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have not heard anything yet, but normally there would be no judge's vote from Week 8 onwards and there is still a double elimination to come (so mabye this week would be the last time the judge's vote) --MSalmon (talk) 17:26, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) X Factor Australia has nothing to do with this. The voting terms on The X Factor website did say it would run for 10 weeks and the last 3 would be down to a public vote. They changed it since to say "at the discretion of ITV or the producer" when they got rid of the double eliminations. Have a look in the talk archives. O'Leary wouldn't necessarily say because this year we're not being told anything about the voting until the voting opens. But it is normally down to the public vote when they start singing 2 songs each. But there are still a lot of contestants. They (The X Factor) clearly have a plan but nobody knows what it is. I did consider removing the "No final showdown or judges' vote: results are based on public votes alone" part from the table last night in case, so I may do that now. AnemoneProjectors 17:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And now I have, we can revert if it transpires that there is no judges' vote. AnemoneProjectors 17:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(And I know that seemed a long time to have an edit conflict but my connection dropped before I could press save!) AnemoneProjectors 17:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Louis was on the radio today and confirmed that there was no judges vote anymore now that we're down to the final five contestants. :) Raider655 (talk) 15:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. AnemoneProjectors 16:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Week 8 Songs

According the F Factor Week 8 part 2 found here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9e1hbzuj0I each contestant will not only sing two rock songs, but one is required to be down-tempo while the other is required to be up-tempo, I feel as if this could be noted somewhere in the 8th week table Edwyth (talk) 04:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine but reference the actual video on itv.com or a news item confirming it, not a youtube video that breaches copyright. AnemoneProjectors 12:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two songs

Just a small query really. When they start doing two songs each, we've sometimes had two columns for "order", especially when the order of the second performances were different to the first, but I'm wondering if we should have just one column and put something like "1/8", "2/9", "3/11", "4/10". I notice that last year if the order was the same for the second songs, we just had the order of the first songs, but does that look like they performed two songs together? I think I'd rather just have one column.

Example
Act Order First song Second song Result
Mary Byrne 1/8 First song Second song TBA
Matt Cardle 2/10 First song Second song TBA

AnemoneProjectors 15:35, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, personally I think two columns looks neater, the / make it look a little messy. Raider655 (talk) 15:38, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So you'd prefer this:
A summary of the contestants' performances on the eighth live show and results show, along with the results.
Act Order First song[1] Order Second song[1] Result[2]
Wagner 1 "Creep" 8 "Addicted to Love" Bottom three
One Direction 2 "Summer of '69" 9 "You Are So Beautiful" Safe
Mary Byrne 3 "All I Want Is You" 10 "Brass in Pocket" Bottom three
Cher Lloyd 4 "Girlfriend" 14 "Walk This Way" Safe
Rebecca Ferguson 5 "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" 11 "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" Safe
Matt Cardle 6 "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" 13 "Nights in White Satin" Safe
Katie Waissel 7 "Sex on Fire" 12 "Everybody Hurts" Eliminated
Final showdown details[2]
Wagner 1 "Unforgettable" Eliminated
Mary Byrne 2 "This Is My Life" Safe

? AnemoneProjectors 16:17, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that looks good to me. Should we still do this if the second songs are done in the same order as the first though? AnemoneProjectors 16:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that looks great :) And I would say yes to doing it even if they perform in the same order, just to keep it a little more consistent Raider655 (talk) 17:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I agree, keep it for every time they do more than one song. Even if the final 3 do 4 songs each on the final night. AnemoneProjectors 17:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cher's performance of Avril Lavigne

Cher performed the Dr Luke Remix of Girlfriend, the rap lyrics were lifted from this mix which is rapped by Lil Mama. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.136.224 (talk) 16:06, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Love the way you lie

In the semi finals, Cher Lloyd sand part 2 of love the way you lie, but rapped eminems part in part 1 of the song. Kinda the same thing she done in week 5 with Empire state of mind. It is being changed whenever I make this change. I believe it should be kept as Love The Way You Lie Part II/Love The Way You Lie. —Comment added by ImanAtwal (talk • contribs)

I was unaware that there were two versions and I'm pretty sure at least 95% of viewers will think she just did the main version. Are they actually different songs? Or is it a bit like saying she did "Just Be Good To Green" because she did the rap from that particular cover version, when it's the same song as "Just Be Good To Me" anyway? Or saying Matt did "You've Got The Love" because it was more similar to the Florence version, when it's the same song as "You Got The Love"? AnemoneProjectors 23:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well technically they are two separate songs. It's the exact same as Empire State of Mind by Jay-Z Feat. Alicia Keys and Empire State of Mind Part II (Broken Down) By Alicia Keys. They are two separate songs despite being linked. Cher Lloyd sang Love The Way You Lie Part II from Rihanna's album Loud (which features Eminem as a guest vocalist). However, the rap Cher sang was Eminem's rap in the first verse in Love The Way You Lie from Eminem's album Recovery, (featuring Rihanna as guest vocalist). In essence, she sang Rihanna's song and rapped Eminem's song, the exact same thing she done in week 5, where she sang Alicia Keys Empire State of Mind II, but rapped Jay-Z's song Empire State of Mind. I know it sounds confusing, but she did use lyrics from both songs, so both should be credited. Therefore I am suggesting using the same format as in week 5, (i.e. Love the Way You Lie Part II/Love the Way You Lie).—Comment added by ImanAtwal (talk • contribs)
So they have different lyrics? To be honest I wondered what the heck she was singing at the start of the song, I thought she'd completely messed up. AnemoneProjectors 00:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Lol. They have completely different lyrics. The only thing that is the same is the chorus. It is the exact same concept I described above with the Empire State of Mind songs. Therefore, it is two different songs. I guess the only reason that Rihanna's song is not as known is that it has not been officially released as a single, but it is still a different song, so both versions I guess should be credited. Hopefully this is being understood, not too confusing. Think of it as a Love the Way You Lie version of the Empire State of Mind songs.—Comment added by ImanAtwal (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 00:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Winner's single

Is their any references of what the Winner's single is yet? It is normally announced around about this time. --SATURDAYmight. (talk) 18:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I read a few days ago that the five finalists had recorded a different song each as the budgets had been increased. AnemoneProjectors 21:01, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here it is. I didn't add it as it's only "reported" and not "confirmed". AnemoneProjectors 21:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Week 9 judges' votes

How do we deal with it in the results table since it was vote to send to the final not vote to send home? AnemoneProjectors 21:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mabye add a note somewhere? --MSalmon (talk) 21:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've got an idea, gonna put it in, see what you think. AnemoneProjectors 21:13, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok --MSalmon (talk) 21:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Problem I can see with that is the row is labled "X vote to eliminate". 77.102.254.175 (talk) 21:17, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My idea solved that. AnemoneProjectors 21:18, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would leave it like that for now and direct people here to discuss it then change it if necessary --MSalmon (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit conflict)But now it's not clear what they were voting. Just saying "X's vote" doesn't say whether they were voting to eliminate or to keep in every week. Would it not be better to just flip which name they said? If they voted to keep X then they voted to eliminate Y. 77.102.254.175 (talk) 21:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ a b "Quick! Get tonight's song". The X Factor. itv.com. 27 November 2010. Retrieved 27 November 2010.
  2. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference eighth result was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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