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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


éirígí Alternative Video

I added the following information in relation to a cover of the song/x factor version. It is perfectly legitimate material, relevant to both the original song and the x factor cover and is fully cited/referenced. It should not be removed on the grounds of "propaganda" as attempted by some british users as it's as neutral/unbiased as the x factor's Help for "heroes" release and doing so would be unfair and potentially libelous to wikipedia as it would indicate bias/censorship.

On the 14th of December 2008, Irish political party éirígí released an alternative video to the X Factor's "Hero" release on their website.[1] In a statement on their website, the party claimed that "In response to the release of the X Factor’s ‘Hero’ in support of Britain’s occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq éirígí has compiled an alternative video highlighting the true nature of modern day imperialism".[2] The video was removed from various video hosting sites in the days following its release.[3]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.81.139 (talk) 10:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Everything on Wikipedia has to adhere to the basic policies, the five pillars. Everything must be verifiable, neutral and ultimately relevant to the article at hand. One of the key guidelines that governs Wikipedia is notability, is what is being included notable and relevant to the article at hand. Does it give sufficient weight? In an article about a Mariah Carey song, is it relevant to include a parody of a cover? No, it isn't, it is completely undue weight. Quote from WP:UNDUE "Keep in mind that in determining proper weight we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources, not its prevalence among Wikipedia editors." I can see no reliable source that discusses this video, its effects, or its viewpoint. Woody (talk) 15:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note, left note at WT:MILHIST, WP:SONGS, WP:NIR for wider discussion. Regards, Woody (talk) 15:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Woody is correct. I have removed the section and protected the article. I also commend Woody in bringing the dispute to the attention of the projects. If the anonymous editor can show that that version has been mention in reliable, independent sources, then it can be mention with due weight. Until then, the two 'references' were pretty unconvincing: one was basically 'get this as much as possible on the internet..." The JPStalk to me 15:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine that it's mentioned in the éirígí article, but not that much here. It can be briefly pointed out that there's a parody and a link to the respective part of the éirígí article. This could be done via the see also section. Wandalstouring (talk) 16:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Coming at this from the MilHist side I'd agree that inclusion of any commentary lends undue weight to the opinion of a small group, although mention is probably reasonable on the page related to that group. That said I think that the proposed wording has an inherent bias and should probably be moderated anyway.
In addition I think that the current discussion of the X factor rendition is excessive, the level of detail is unnecessary with a blow by blow account of each performers contribution each time it's been performed. I would say that probably also falls under the undue weight consideration as well. I'd recommend a serious culling, probably bringing the substantive content down to no more than a paragraph.
ALR (talk) 17:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just pop my head in; I think Woody et al have done the right thing in this situation. With no reliable sources, there shouldn't be a section on the video. Skinny87 (talk) 17:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

X factor release -- Hero (X Factor release

As a result of discussion above, and out of common sense, I have copied over the contents of the Hero cover bit to Hero (X Factor release). As this page is protected, it would be a breach of policy to remove it from this article without a consensus. Can I go ahead and remove it all from this article and create a stub paragraph? Regards, Woody (talk) 17:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ http://www.eirigi.org/latest/latest141208.html
  2. ^ http://www.eirigi.org/latest/latest141208.html
  3. ^ http://ie.indymedia.org/article/90222?userlanguage=ga&save_prefs=true
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