Talk:Crips

Washington High

Washington High is said to be located in Fremont, California. When you click on Fremont, it says its a neighborhood by San Jose, which is 6 hours away from LA. Is there a mistake there?

There are many washington highs. Tookie and some original crips were students at the one in Los Angeles. Reggaedelgado 06:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and thanks for catching the bad link. I think the one they went to is now formerly called "Washington Preparatory Senior High School",[1] but we don't have an article on it yet. -Willmcw 09:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

theories

I've heard a few theories on how the name "Crip" came about... anyone got books on their history? One theory (i believe!) is that they were first called the "cribs" or came from "cribs", another gang. The second says the letters stand for something - "community, something, something", ... and so forth. I've seen both theories in books and on television documentaries but I'm not sure which to start with. Basically, if you've got a book about these street gangs please add a line or two until we can flesh it out. Don't be afraid to simply say "One theory is..." "...as Mrs. Writer writes in SOME BOOK". We can add all theories here, just cite your sources. I wish I had the information on hand, I hope this helps someone start off. JoeHenzi 22:50, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Community Revolution in Progress, it started as a Black Power movement, but ended up as a gang.

Crip nation

Most Crips are actually associated with a much larger gang nation group called the folks. Conversely, the bloods are in the people nation. Crips orginally were called crib gangs. Because most of the members lived on smaller avenues called "crib avenues". Eventually the name changed to crips. The folk nation (which once again includes the crips) adopted the Star of David as their symbol for David Barksdale or King David, a leader the folk nation. Also, the crips wear everything to the left, although the original folks, started in chicago, wear everything to the right. The Gangs have been known to join nation sets due to the need to ally against more powerful gangs. Nation sets also allow for drug trafficking and distribution. In addition, gang nations are important in prisons because prisoner's come from a vareity of cities and gangs. This allows individual gang members to be allied in prison and form gangs without dishonoring their local gang. For information regarding gang nations: [http://www.gang-busters.com/dress%5Chtml%5Cfolks_and_people.aspx Gang nation

Was wondering about this myself. Would you mind making the necessary corrections? Sam Spade 09:05, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't make those "corrections". The material above is not supported by the source listed. This page, Black Gang Information gives a detailed history of the Crips, which does not mention the "folk" gang. However, this website is apparently Chicago-oriented, while the Crips are an L.A.-based gang. The site also mentions several alternate etymologies for the name. The alliances between various street gangs in prison does not equate to alliances out of prison. -Willmcw 21:48, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

We really should add the "Folk Nation" part. Even though the crips are L.A based, the whole "Folk Nation" thing came along in Chicago, and the crips picked it up.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/gangs/index.html There's about 21 pages on gang's and there sets. Page 13 discribes L.A based gang's, such as the blood and crips, and stating that Bloods traditionally align themselves with the People Nation and Crips with the Folk Nation. I really like the website, has alot of info on different gangs and such. -Maliki786 15:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Crip Walk?

Is Crip Walk related to this, or do they just happen to share a name? --SPUI (talk) 23:39, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

yes, the crips originated the dance, i added more history to the crip walk article Justinhoude 21:35, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

And for the record, though I can't attest to it, a great deal of people (to include Crips themselves) will openly and vehemently argue against the describing of the C-Walk as a "dance." It's a walk, as the name suggests, and represents a more fluent and commonn, everday thing than a simple dance. Has anyone heard any different? Now I'm going to have to go look at the page to see... --Addama 20:52, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever. We've watched the videos, it's a dance.

The Crip walk is NOT a dance, but a celebration that a Crip performs when he kills a rival.

It's a dance, regardless. It just has more significance than most modern dances, which tend to be basically frivolous. In anthropological terms the C-walk is comparable to tribal war-dances such as practiced by Maoris and native Americans.

Celebs for Crips

I have noticed two well known people wearing the blue flag out there back trouser pocket.

Snoop Dogg - Not surprisingly, he made a mention to the Crips in "Drop it like it's hot"
Gwen Stefani - Very surprising. You can see her wearing it in her Holla Back girl video.

gwen stefani does not rep crips, that was just fashion. Justinhoude 21:34, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

Assuming a color choice for an outfit by a celebrity is an endorsement of gang activity is a great mistake. Even Snoop Dogg wore red track suits once in a while. I would NOT have expected someone to bring Gwen up; that's one of those things that you can use common sense to dispel beforehand. Come on, it's Gwen! --Addama 20:52, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

that is why Tha Game in his last video is dressed with blue (even crips-like signs), though he is a blood ---

I think I once saw Elvis wipe sweat off his face with a blue bandana...I'm thinkin' he was repin! :) SkaTroma 22:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

a lot of people wear red n Bklue n it dont mean nuttin. Im a Crip...King David, 8-Ball, C-51 and i wear red T's sumtimes. It aint bkout what u wear Cuz i alwayz 6ot my fla6 out. You'll neva see me roCCin a red bandana thou6h...:::

"Blue color"

The fact about the gang color is mentioned far too often.

There is no 21st crip gang in Long beach. Daz is from Rolling 20's Crips in Long Beach. The only real gang banger that is from the nsane Crips is OG Tray Dee a.k.a "Tracy D." A real gang member is a gangster that actually attended gang meetings and is respected by the members of his his own gang. In due time I will explain more.

Corections about Insane, 21st and rolling 20's being the same gang. I want to make this clear- Insane and Rolling 20's are different gangs and hate each other. We have been killing each other for years and it's never going to change. Its been like that for 35-40 years now. 21st is only a street that the majority of our OG's grew up around and snoop made it famous. Both insane and 20's hung out on this street and that's how we became enemies. EA

Whoever edited the page last...

...please be careful of grammar and fact-checking. You changed my page and wrote that Daz Dillinger is from Insane Crip, when he's actually from 21st Street. If you're going to make changes, don't do so without discussing them with me.

Regardless of the accuracy of this change - the page isn't "yours". See Wikipedia:Ownership of articles.

On another topic, this page doesn't have anything to say about the actual activities of the Crips; as I understand it drug dealing is a major one. The way this article reads you'd think they're a service club. --Robert Merkel 02:31, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I realize this page may not be "mine" now that I have posted the info, but I do wish people would be kind enough to respect my authority on the subject. The page was recently changed again by somebody who changed Spider Loc's Crip affiliation (I have confirmed info that he's from East Coast Crip), and they also incorrectly posted that Xzibit, Kurupt, and Ice Cube are from sets they're not really from (I even mentioned in my info that Cube is only from Rollin' 60 territory, not a member of the gang).

Well Dude, we have no idea who you are -- you don't even sign your comments. Regardless, this is a wiki, and everyone's an expert. :) The best way to publish your thoughts and not have anyone interfere with them is to create your own web page.

And if you're upset about people changing information that you've "verified", then providing citations for your sources would probably help. --Dystopos 00:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC).[reply]

Origin of name

This is the only method of contacting the site runners without clicking on 300 links, but I think I have some information that you might be interested in involving the origin of the gang name C.R.I.P. or the crips. Crip stands for Community.Revolution.In.Progress. The CRIPS were started as a result of police targeting african men after the weapons ban. This resulted in the CRIPS banning together and traveling from place to place in large numbers to scare off the cops that would often beat and arrest african americans due to the color of there skin.

Thanks for reading, Dirthac820@yahoo.com

I can't imagine that the creators of wikipedia are in the least bit interested in the vaguarities of a single article.

Any chance of a verifiable source for this info? Cheers, -Willmcw 05:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, 'cause it's not even remotely true. Tookie Williams has made it pretty clear that he started the gang as a response to the random violence at his HS (Washington), and that they got the name because they walked with canes (tookie had broken his leg early in his "career" as a crip Reggaedelgado 17:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This couldn't be more wrong. I double dog dare you to provide any proof that this, or any of the other "Backronyms" for CRIP have any place in the creation of the name. -Dudepal 10:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Crips were originally called Cribs.. Community revolution in black society.. it later became Crips.

jeeze I always thought it was "crypts"...i've apparently been miseducated...

hip hop & affiliation

I'm not sure we need so much listing & conjecture as to the affiliations of individual rappers (especially relatively unknown ones). It does not provide any useful information...the affiliation of others (especially their specific sets) is not useful, accurate, or very fair to the people listed. It also cheapens the article a bit and may be the cause of some people's complaints that the article glorifies gangs. If you disagree, please say so other wise I'll make changes within a week or so. Reggaedelgado 17:44, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My complaint about the article glorifying gangs is not only with the rappers: it doesn't mention what the gang's main activities are. Or are you trying to tell me that gangs aren't primarily about dealing drugs and inflicting violence? --Robert Merkel 07:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I told you the same thing in the Bloods article - I think it's quite relevent. Notice that many Wikipedia pages connect their subjects to pop culture in some way or another, and that's what I'm doing by listing rappers with Crip affiliations. If people are curious to know what set a rapper claims, then I see no reason why not - and it's not as if these rappers don't make their gang connections quite well known. On the other hand, there are some rappers who don't bang for any turf but lie about what 'hood they claim, which is why I made a note of this in the above section (for example, I pointed out that Ice Cube is not a Crip, even though he has claimed to be at times). I've also seen people posting misinformation (saying Fabolous is a Crip - LOL), and I've been correcting that. I assure you that almost all of the rappers whose names I've posted are those who are known Crip members, and if I see someone post misinformation, I will delete it (I watch this page regularly). Also, I could care less if some people think this article "glorifies" gangs - you can handle the info or you can't, but don't try to prevent it from being spoken to those who DO care.

you can see my response on the blood page (I'm sure you already have!)

BTW, somebody from Australia keeps posting the names of rappers I've never heard of ("C-Pup"?) and claiming they're Crips. This is laughable to me, because it sounds like certain fans of these Australian rappers are just trying to validate their image. I don't consider anybody who isn't C/B banging in Cali to be anything but a copycat/wanna-be, so I've excluded these people. Also, I'm still trying to confirm some of the other rappers on the list, many of whom were added without my input. I haven't been able to figure out if Guerilla Black is really from Palmer Blocc (and it seems unlikely to me, given that he moved to Compton fairly late in his life).

So, somebody just deleted all the list... Like I said, it needs some tweaking & paring, but I don't think it should be striaght up deleted, especially anonymously & without attention paid to our discussion here!Reggaedelgado 08:29, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

After asking around, I have yet to find any proof that Guerilla Black is actually from Palmer Blocc. I'm also not too sure about Bad Azz, and I've also heard that MC Ren was not KPCC, either (though Eazy and his brother were). Which is why you've always gotta be careful; rumors run deep in this game.

I aint gonna talk like I know for sure but I do know that Bad Azz has claimed on prior songs that he is from Long Beach Insane... if you can validate this than cool otherwise it's just a good place to start...

Actually, Bad Azz was Originally from Water Front Piru in Wilmington Ca. That is aprrox 15mins from Long Beach. He moved to Long Beach when he was a teen and attended Woodrow Wilson High School With his sister. Somehow it was leaked out that he was a Piru and the homies Pay-Dog and and Baby Trey Fingers From ICG (Insane Crip Gang) approached him and of coarse he denied it, saying he did not bang anymore. I think the beat him up real bad but that was 13years ago and I am getting old. Eventually he came back to school and he turned out to be a cool brother and he was never from Insane or 20's. He hung around some of both and eventually started to just represent long beach through his music. While I am on that subject rapper Swoop G originally was from Lantanna Bloc Crips in Compton and also moved to Long Beach when he was a teen. He kept it real and admitted he was from lantanna Bloc but was quickly converted to a Rolling 20 crip by his OG cousin Lil Swoop(Keo), is currently on California's Death Row. The only rappers that are from Insane crip is Tray Deee aka Tracy Dee from the the group "Tha eastsidaz." He was the first and only rapper from Insane to record a album. His is the oldest of all the other rappers and gets big respect because of his "G" status. During the Insane and rolling 20 truce Snoop formed the group the "East Sidaz" which consisted of Goldie Loc who is from 20's, and Tray Dee who is from Insane. Tray Dee was later removed from the group when he shot up Snoop's house over money he was owed. That is what the song Smiles and Frowns" is talking about. All the other rappers are from rolling 20's: Snoop, Lil Half Dead (ironically his brother big Half dead-RIP was from Insane and was killed by an insane on Elm steet, Daz, Warren G,all the members of the "Dove Shack", the TwinZ and even Domino had some affliations. Lil C-style is From 19st and there is only a hand full of them- they are no fator in the hood. I don't know where Kurrpt is from but he is not from Long Beach. If yall have any other questions please let me know. EA

I just know about the Lon

OK, who posted that entire list of rappers with Crip affiliations? Looking over it, I see a lot that aren't accurate at all, and it's excessive and unnecesary. I would prefer we keep this list fairly short and only mention the best-known rappers (like Snoop, Eazy, WC, etc.) rather than all these little-known rappers that few cats outside of L.A. know.

-- A catch-all solution might be to only keep the rappers that have their own pages on wikipedia.

1971 founding / cribs->crips mutation

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/25/AR2005112500950_2.html

says the founding was in 1971, and gives a simple reason for the change from Cribs to Crips: alcohol-induced dyslexia.

The article does not make this clear, but I assume that the drunken mis-spelling is related to gang graffiti? I can imagine a big splashy "CRIPS!" spray painted on a prominent wall, with the painter failing to close the lower loop that turns a P into a B.

And so the Washington Post is the top authority on where the name came from? Someone cut out a bunch of the different possible explanations for the origin of the name, and I think that those deletions should be restored and tweaked a bit. ^Blank ^Verse 21:28, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It seems odd to me that we have a clear explanation for the name in the history section, but then list other possibly origins. If the answer isn't clear, shouldn't that be stated in the history (and I can't back this up, but from my own reading I would think that the "cripple"="crips" story is the most prominent. I'm fairly centain that Leon Bing uses that explanation).

And, overall, this article could use a lot more verified sources. Where do we get the information, for example, that Vanilla Ice is a Crip? (a quick Google search didn't show anything to me). How do we know why the Crips stopped wearing so much blue? I have a hard time with thinking that a gang as disorganized, decentralized and splintered could even make a group decision. Couldn't it just be that fashions have changed?

Parts also feel POV: "Any analysis of the origins of the Crips and African-American Street Gangs in general requires an analysis of the deleterious effect of the demise of the Black Panther Party on Los Angeles neighborhoods."

There is a citation after that statement, but the above is still presented as fact. It isn't, it is an opinion: (a)That the death of the Black Panthers was "deleterious" and (b.) that this is the only ("required") method of analying the gang's creation.

I'm not changing anything at the moment, because I'm not prepared to. But this article feels extremely shaky, and some of the anon comments lead me to believe that someone considers themselves an expert and are using themselves as a source. Thoughts? Jordoh 03:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vanilla Ice ??? A C.R.I.P. ?!? That's funny !!! I'm the One from the Gun. I am no expert, who can be? Things constantly change and evolve in the streets... but what better source for this site than someone who has actually been there from almost day one.(1974) Naw, I dont have every hoods' secrets... but I do know my hood and I know the overall history from the point of view of the SGuNs. But bottom line aint none of us getting paid off this site, it's just a cool outlet for the representation of our lifestyles in the logs of history. And for the prior comment on Blue... The only reason the colors is less prominant is because we all know that the police is hot on that sh**! Bangers have working brain cells too.

Crips is NOT a GANG! It is a TYPE of GANG! Saying you are a CRIP is not enough... You have to actually belong to a set, usually the one you live in. Gunone 19:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)GunOne Gunone 19:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Crips

Recently someone added a large number of names to the list of crips, first of all, I think it's important that this article not become Listcruft. These additions were also not referenced. It worries me, especially if some of these people are still living, that this could be seen as defamatory or libelous. Could someone add references? Unless there is some response I will remove those added today. Makemi 02:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-- Might be an idea to just remove any that don't have their own wikipedia page. If they are so obscure that they don't, then there's little point having their name here.

I'm no big hip-hop fan but I'm almost definitly sure Snoop Dogg has crip affiliations, he dresses in blue alot of times, does the crip walk, tells non-crips to not do the crip walk among other things

For spider loc it says so in his page and Tray Deee's page says that he was an "og" and was charged with attempted murder by shooting at rival gang members on WC's page it says he does the crip walk and. Aside from that their isnt much evidence for the other ones (aside from being "gangsta rappers") 70.36.241.144 17:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What's so ridiculous is that many of the ones posted have no confirmed gang ties whatsoever, yet some idiot keeps reposting them. It says in the section on the C-Walk that Ice Cube is NOT a Crip, yet this fool keeps posting that he is.