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Wait a minute: Joan, daughter of John Lackland, married Alexander II, King of Scots. How could Ellen/Helen be her legitimate daughter by Llewelyn? --Michael K. Smith 15:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Michael... I believe the Joan referred to is in fact John's illegitimate daughter. She is chronicled as having married Llewelyn The Great. I don't know if it would be of interest to you, but there are 2 very compelling works of fiction on these two characters worth reading, "Here by Dragons" by Sharon Kay Penman, which tells of Joan and Llewelyn, and "Child of the Phoenix" by Barbara Erskine, which portrays an extremely startling version of Ellen (Eleyne) which proposes that the English record her as having died in 1253 but actually she went on to live into her eighties! Rgds Dee

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