Talk:Jenkins (software)

As with the earlier Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Foswiki article, this fork/rename is probably not notable enough in its own right yet to warrant its own page.

The Jekins project was created by a community vote of Hudson project members. The vote returned 90%+ in favour of the change. Oracle have refused to join the new board of Jenkins, thus it looks likely that two projects will now exist independently. Since Jenkins appears to have majority comunity support (based on the vote), it is reasonable to assume it will continue. I'd suggest a deletion/merge review in three months time. --jodastephen (talk) 13:10, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

If Jenkins is a pure rename, shouldn't Hudson (software) redirect here with a mention of an Oracle fork with the old name? The official software is the notable one, the fork has yet to earn any notability and should not be its own page. 84.249.65.208 (talk) 15:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

It does really depend on whether one regards it as a "fork" or "rename". A 90% vote is pretty clear. The notability reasonably follows the community. Note that in the case of the Ethereal/Wireshark rename Wikipedia clearly went with the renamed project. So it becomes an interesting question: at what point of minority complaint does a project cease to be a renaming and invite sufficient controversy that the new name is regarded as a fundamentally new effort, and thus has to prove notability on its own? In the case of trademark-motivated renames, including the TWiki/Foswiki case, the Ethereal/Wireshark case, the Mambo/Joomla! case, and now Hudson/Jenkins, it is worth considering the question. There will be more! I would suggest that one possibility of a fair and balanced perspective is the simple test: was the new name advanced by a minority or majority group. Where the majority has moved, it generally is for an external reason not chosen by them, principally trademark. 74.79.147.25 (talk) 15:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)