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Perkins patented his idea.

Really? Perkins stole an idea from a guy then Perkins' brother-business partner pays to have the guys picture engraved? no....I'm not buying it....Perkins paid tribute to this guy in his publication. NormBograham (talk) 18:59, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oruktor Amphibolos revisited.

It appears that this section is written with extreme bias against Oliver, and that might be the disconnect others are seeing. The plans for this appear to have fell into the hands of "Vivian and Trevithick", and this company clearly stole the plans insted of helping to patent them in England. If the 1900 book is to be believed. His patents which failed to be patented, are also picked up by others, who tweeked them and profited. Clearly if this is true, this guy was an inept businessman. http://books.google.com/books?id=kl4oAAAAYAAJ&dq=the%20watt%20of%20america&pg=PA66#v=onepage&q=the%20watt%20of%20america&f=false NormBograham (talk) 18:59, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong emphasis

I feel that the coverage of the the Oruktor Amphibolos is really out of proportion in this article. If possible, much more about his flour mill should be written to restore balance. ike9898 02:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mill Locations

The first mill to incorporate the Evans system was the Greenbank Mill on the Red Clay Creek at Price's Corner just south of Wilmington, Delaware. That mill was repeatedly rebuilt and burnt down at least once, but currently exists as a publicly accessible site and on the web at http://www.greenbankmill.org.

The first mill entirely constructed to house the Evans system (Greenbank being a retro-fit into an existing mill) was the so-called "Pioneer Mill" on a tributary of the White Clay Creek called Pike Creek (Peck's Creek in early maps) near Polly Drummond Hill. The exact location is not known, unless there is paper documentation at Hagley, but the DeBeers map shows several mills on Pike Creek, at least one of which still exists as a private dwelling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.153.180.229 (talk) 20:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oliver Evans and Richard Trevithick

I have place a citation request after the suggestion that Trevithick copied Evans's ideas. Some sources (Robert Pripps The Big Book of Farm Tractors: The Complete History of the Tractor 1855 to Present ) suggest that the two men collaborated over the invention, while others (John Steele Gordon: An Empire of Wealth: The Epic History of American Economic Power and United States Business History, 1602-1988: A Chronology Richard Robinson) assert that they worked completely independently. It might be significant that Evans, very sensitive (with good cause) about his rights in his inventions never suggested that Trevithick had usurped his idea. (Age of Invention - Chronicles of America, Part 37 - Holland Thompson, page 56). A search on A9.com gives the balance in favor of "independently", but something more definitive would be useful. --Old Moonraker 13:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems unlikely that Evans influenced Trevithick's design of steam carriage since these predated the practical work of Evans in this regard. Chenab 14:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I propose, then, to delete this sentence. In any case it seems to contravene WP:AWT. --Old Moonraker 14:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --Old Moonraker 14:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

superpressure steam engine

OE invented the use of positive pressure in a steam engine, or not.

burial location

Trinity Cemetery is located between Riverside Drive (west), Amsterdam Avenue (east), 155th Street (north), and 153rd Street (south). Broadway runs through the middle of it in a North/South direction. I originally added the burial site as simply "Trinity Cemetery in northern Manhattan" because the only online source I found listed the cemetery at 157th Street, which is incorrect. The gentleman from PA apparently used the same erroneous source and changed the location to "Broadway Avenue at 157th Street", which is wrong on both counts. Checking Google maps will verify this. I also live in the neighborhood and can attest to the location. For the sake of simplicity, I'm changing the location to "Broadway at 154th Street", which is very nearly the center of the cemetery as a whole. OE is actually buried in the western section, between Riverside Drive and Broadway, although I'm not sure if this is quite relevant. comment added by Wikidan3174 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oruktor Amphibolos revisited.

It appears that this section is written with extreme bias against Oliver, and that might be the disconnect others are seeing. The plans for this appear to have fell into the hands of "Vivian and Trevithick", and this company clearly stole the plans insted of helping to patent them in England. If the 1900 book is to be believed. Clearly Oliver, is the most inept business man according to this summary, but an excellent inventor. http://books.google.com/books?id=kl4oAAAAYAAJ&dq=the%20watt%20of%20america&pg=PA66#v=onepage&q=the%20watt%20of%20america&f=false His patents which failed to be patented, are also picked up by others, who tweeked them and profited. NormBograham (talk) 18:47, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you find usable, reliable sources for this can you make sure that they are added to the Richard Trevithick page as well? The allegation has been marked {{cn}} there for a very long time, and this contributor has despaired of finding confirmation. --Old Moonraker (talk) 18:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Moomraker: I mentioned the source. The conflict, is that one of the guys who might have "stole" from him was in the publishing business. So, you and I are trying to find some truth in history, but diffrent truths. I find the conflict to be head spinning with "Perkins", since he was in the publishing business in America (his brother ran it after he left for england), should he be running to the patent office after seeing others technical articles? I"m not sure if it was stealing, patent trolling, or just an enhancment to the idea. In one case, just taking the idea and putting a box around it...that's an auful trivial enhancment. Perhaps we keep looking for a conflict which was not there. lol. But, Perkins appears to give credit as in the case with Asa (invented spiralgraph, used in making money more difficult to counterfit, and now is a nice game for the kiddies). But, everyone who "writes" about him, keeps trying to call Perkins the inventor, even encypledia articles, which are clearly false. This is the "discussion" page, and I did not alter the article. I'm still looking over older documents, but we likely only have access to 1% of them. Fyi: The Royal Society had discussions about Jacob Perkins before inviting him out to England, so, you might be shocked to find something there about Oliver Evans. History "facts" always leave questions and our conclusins are sometimes wrong. Jacob Perkins is not the "inventor" that history keeps trying to credit him as, he's the guy who kept running to the patent offices for the "family business", and he bought some ideas. NormBograham (talk) 19:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]