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Nemerle

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Non-notable programming language. The only hits on Google for this language aside from the main website are blogs discussing syntax and a question or two on StackOverflow. Notability tag for nearly 2 years. Christopher Monsanto (talk) 20:39, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. As .NET developer I would say that it's the most promising open-source language for .NET. How could it be non-notable? And it is not dead project since a lot of people (about 30 commiters) are supporting the project. http://code.google.com/p/nemerle/ Please, could you call another .NET language that are not from Microsoft and have bigger impact on .NET community? --Sergey Shandar (talk) 06:16, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Most promising open-source language for .NET does not imply notability. "Biggest impact other than Microsoft" does not imply notability, for all of the other .NET languages aside from Microsoft's could be non-notable. Reliable sources establish notability. Can you find reliable sources to establish this language's notability? Christopher Monsanto (talk) 15:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More than 100 questions in StackOverflow where Nemerle is quoted. --Sergey Shandar (talk) 06:33, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment. StackOverflow is not a measure of a language's notability. Specifically, from WP:SOURCE, self-published sources are generally unreliable.

Pages that link to "Nemerle", about 50 or so, including Macro (computer science), Metaprogramming and many others. --Sergey Shandar (talk) 11:05, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. What the hell are you thinking about ? Nemerle is non-notable ? Bullshit ! Man, just check the language http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4561524/f-vs-c-vs-nemerle check the project activity. I say : "Don't do it !" You has absolutely no idea about Nemerle. You ! totalitarian programmer, Take your dirty hands off the project. I like Nemerle and sure you can't believe me. So here are the links you did not found :
  • Keep. OK, I've got the idea. We can start from Nemerle. Then we can delete Pure, Haskell, OCaml, SML. We definitely get rid of Miranda, Clean and Curry. All these languages don't seem to be popular enough on StackOverflow. Come on, how the hell Nemerle is non-notable? This is one of the most popular non Microsoft languages on the .NET platform. And one of the most interesting. Try to finish your education first before deleting the languages that you don't know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vorov2 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment. Microsoft Research is not reliable for you? Or Wikipedia? Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia where people can learn something new including programming languages that they've never heard before. And you are not the one to talk about Nemerle reliability as you didn't even bother to carefully check which "reliable sources" for this language are truly available. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.200.24.190 (talk) 15:16, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Comment. No, coming out of Microsoft Research does not automatically establish notability. I could put an article about my own pet language on my personal website and say "Princeton University, one of the most prestigious universities in the world, is not reliable for you?" Logical fallacies do not establish notability, inclusion on Wikipedia does not automatically establish notability, reliable and verifiable sources establish notability. If I didn't carefully check which "reliable sources" for this language are truly available, then please, link some here. Christopher Monsanto (talk) 15:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Comment. If materials about your "pet language" are official materials published by Priceton University than this is a notable source according to the Wikipedia definition. Article from MSR is an official material. There are also a lot of articles about Nemerle published in press:

http://rsdn.ru/article/nemerle/NemerleIntro.xml http://rsdn.ru/article/nemerle/nemerleMacros.xml http://rsdn.ru/article/nemerle/SimpleReporter.xml http://rsdn.ru/article/nemerle/Amplifier.xml http://rsdn.ru/article/nemerle/NemerleStingFormating.xml http://rsdn.ru/summary/4531.xml and so forth.

There are a lot of references in press: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?&as_src=-newswire+-wire+-presswire+-PR+-release+-wikipedia&q=%22Nemerle%22 Nemerle is officially supported by Mono (which I hope is enough notable for you?) Nemerle is included in several Linux distributions Nemerle is not even an academic language, it is used in industry.

All these things does render a language as notable according to Wikipedia standards.

I hope that you have good intentions in mind but what you are doing here is *vandalism*. There are a lot really *interestring* academic programming languages here which will likely fall under your "non-notable" criteria. As a result Wikipedia will loose a lot of interesting content.

I am convincing you to stop playing in this "notability" game. Otherwise we will have to report your actions as abuse - and yes, we will have a notable support for such statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vorov2 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

            • Comment. Not at all convincing. Your rsdn.ru links seem to be a tutorial. Your news.google.com link references sources talking about Mono or F#, with passing mentions to Nemerle. Mono is notable, but notability is not inheritable per WP:INHERIT. I'm not sure how "included in several Linux distributions" and "not even an academic language" are arguments in favor for this article. Christopher Monsanto (talk) 16:32, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


    • Comment. I'm not sure what your argument is pertaining to this article. If you're asking why I want to delete THIS article, it is because reliable sources do not exist for it, and therefore it is non-notable according to Wikipedia policy. Christopher Monsanto (talk) 16:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Christopher you aren't right. Nemerle is a new word in a computer science. Nemerle it is widely known in Russia and Poland because developed by Russian and Polish developers. Nemerle has are links from http://elibrary.ru/ - Russian index of scientific citation.
    • Comment. "Your rsdn.ru links seem to be a tutorial." (c) Christopher Monsanto. Christopher, be not dishonored. It's articles from Russian computer science Magazine - RSDN Magazine.
  1. Nemerle MS Research
  2. Extensible Pattern Matching
  3. Mono languages
  4. Ubuntu package
  5. Debian package
  6. Gentoo ebuild

If you need more you can search for more. And my point is :

  • How the hell you can tell about programming languages notability if you really just a student, Hell how much experience about languages you can have to desire what languages should be here ?
  • So you say it's interesting only for developers and I answer. Hell, yes ! Sure programming languages is interesting for developers ? Maybe for painters ? or for 'housewifes' ? Not man. Programming languages is for programmers.
  • You say "Covering these languages on Wikipedia makes it harder to find *interesting* programming languages". So what is *interesting* programming languages for you ? Basic ? Pascal ? Oh god ! Nemerle makes it harder to find Basic for you... Poor boy , I am sorry for you !

--nCdy (talk) 12:33, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment. None of those links are reliable sources. Random slides from a talk? A paper cited 29 times, according to Google Scholar, that isn't even about Nemerle? A directory of all the Mono-compatible languages? Free software package directories (that aren't specifically about Nemerle)? None of these are reliable, verifiable, independent coverage of the subject, and they surely do not establish notability of this language. Christopher Monsanto (talk) 15:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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